Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?

2014-02-07 Thread Alex Monk 
Has anyone translated the email into English? Would be interesting to see
what it says...

Alex Monk


On 7 February 2014 21:33, Leinonen Teemu teemu.leino...@aalto.fi wrote:

 Hi,

 I just got a message that the Finnish Police have asked the fi.wikipedia,
 by sending an email to the wikifi-ad...@list.wikimedia.org, to give a
 written statement about their possible violation of the laws that regulate
 fundraising in Finland. There is a little news about this already online in
 English. Here:


 http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2014/02/07/finnish_police_probe_wikipedia_donation_requests

 I chat about this with a lawyer friend and he was afraid that the police
 msy go after the volunteers that have participated in the fundraising, e.g.
 by translating the fundraising messages.

 Is there any equivalent cases from other countries?

 In Finland one needs a pre-given permission to do fundraising.

 - Teemu

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?

2014-03-01 Thread Alex Monk 
Apparently they got no response:
http://www.finlandtimes.fi/national/2014/03/01/5137/Wikipediafailstomeetdeadlineonpolicerequest


On 10 February 2014 15:41, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes, he would definitely have enjoyed this one

 2014-02-10 9:51 GMT+01:00, Leinonen Teemu teemu.leino...@aalto.fi:
  On 8.2.2014, at 13.51, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote:
  I love this thread - it make me think of Matti Wuori in the movie The
  man without a past
 
 
  Heh :-) These days, I also miss Matti Wuori. :-'(
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matti_Wuori
 
  - Teemu
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?

2014-03-03 Thread Alex Monk 
Hi Phillippe,

I noticed that the press release[1] had been made and says despite a press
report in Finland that suggested we did not meet the deadline. That press
report has since been retracted and corrected

However, when I browse to the report, it still appears uncorrected..

Alex

[1]
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/Statement_on_WMF%27s_Finnish_fundraising

On 1 March 2014 17:46, Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Hi Alex,

 I have checked with Legal.  Our deadline for the response was Friday, and
 our response was indeed filed yesterday.  We received an email confirmation
 from the authorities that the document had been received and we called them
 as well to confirm safe receipt.  It might of course have been that the
 writer of the article contacted the authorities before we filed the
 document.  We are taking steps to correct this inaccurate report.

 Best,
 pb


 *Philippe Beaudette * \\  Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia
 Foundation, Inc.
  T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 |  phili...@wikimedia.org  |  :
 @Philippewikihttps://twitter.com/Philippewiki


 On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 6:38 AM, Alex Monk kren...@gmail.com wrote:

  Apparently they got no response:
 
 
 http://www.finlandtimes.fi/national/2014/03/01/5137/Wikipediafailstomeetdeadlineonpolicerequest
 
 
  On 10 February 2014 15:41, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Yes, he would definitely have enjoyed this one
  
   2014-02-10 9:51 GMT+01:00, Leinonen Teemu teemu.leino...@aalto.fi:
On 8.2.2014, at 13.51, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote:
I love this thread - it make me think of Matti Wuori in the movie
 The
man without a past
   
   
Heh :-) These days, I also miss Matti Wuori. :-'(
   
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matti_Wuori
   
- Teemu
   
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Revamped Wikipedia app for Android now live!

2014-06-25 Thread Alex Monk 
On 25 June 2014 23:29, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote:

  Please help us improve this app by sending a note to our mailing list,
 mobile-android-wikipe...@wikimedia.org.

 Not mobile-l ?  Is the above a private list?


All lists are @lists.wikimedia.org. This address points to an OTRS queue
(specifically, mobile::Android (Wikipedia)).
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF's volunteers

2014-07-14 Thread Alex Monk 
This is very weird. Remember that we are a (multi-lingual, cough cough)
community with a Foundation - not the other way around. There's no need for
this kind of weird organisation of volunteering related to Wikimedia.

What was the purpose of this page?

Alex Monk (in my capacity as a volunteer, dealing partly with some
Wikimedia software and some OTRS queues)

On 14 July 2014 11:10, Richard Ames rich...@ames.id.au wrote:

 Since the brouhaha of May 2013 I've been thinking the relationship between
 the foundation and it's volunteers. I have assembled some references and
 thoughts at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ariconte/Volunteer_
 Management

 I would welcome edits and/or talk page contributions.

 Regards, Richard.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] slow death of anyone can edit concept (was: let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering community team! (brainstorming))

2014-08-09 Thread Alex Monk 
Not for me...


On 9 August 2014 15:27, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote:

 On Sat, 9 Aug 2014, at 23:11, James Forrester wrote:
  [..]
  https://imgur.com/a/JFN9y​

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2016-01-16 Thread Alex Monk 
On 16 January 2016 at 10:08, Yury Bulka 
wrote:

> MZMcBride  writes:
> > A few years ago, the Wikimedia Foundation switched over to the Google
> Apps
> > platform, which means that most e-mail sent on the wikimedia.org domain
> is
> > now hosted by Google.
> Are you sure? It doesn't look like wikimedia.org's MX point to google's
> servers:
> https://starttls.info/check/wikimedia.org


It's true that individual inboxes for staff/contractors/board/etc. are
hosted in Google Apps. WMF Operations controls the mail routing (hence the
MX record) and directs mail sent to different addresses to different places
- including rules for allowing Office IT (via foundation corporate LDAP) to
route addresses to Google:
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/diffusion/OPUP/browse/production/templates/exim/exim4.conf.mx.erb;51327368b853ffabcc93ea336c7e9e603354a077$261-292
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Facebook as a discussion mediam

2016-02-23 Thread Alex Monk 
On 23 February 2016 at 12:17, Andrew Lih  wrote:
>
> > The main disadvantage is the lack of good archiving - it is pretty hard
> to
> > find something on fb after say - half a year.
>
>
> Compare that to IRC which disallows logging altogether. It’s not just hard
> to find discussions, it’s impossible.
>

IRC does not disallow logging. Certain channels try to prevent people from
publicly logging.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Board-l] Fwd: WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google

2016-01-22 Thread Alex Monk 
On 22 January 2016 at 22:00, John Mark Vandenberg  wrote:

> fwiw, A few days ago Jimmy disclosed that "James voted in favor of Arnnon".
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev=700325768

I'm not sure I'd call it a disclosure since it had already been made public
11 days earlier:
https://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?title=Resolution:Appointing_Arnnon_Geshuri_as_Board_Member=104421
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement clauses

2016-03-13 Thread Alex Monk 
On 13 March 2016 at 20:07, Antoine Musso  wrote:

> Volunteers (ie neither staff or contractors) might have to sign a NDA
> whenever they get privileged access. The process is on:
> https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Volunteer_NDA
>
> What I suspect is granting public read access to the NDA would also
> disclose the list of signer and that might be a problem for people using
> a pseudonym.  But do not quote me on that.
>
As a member of the #WMF-NDA-Requests project in Phabricator I can view L2,
but I can't see the signatures. The list of people who can is hidden in a
Phabricator custom policy. There is a task upstream about making it
possible to read custom policies.

On 13 March 2016 at 20:07, Antoine Musso  wrote:

>  For access to the servers, there is another document. It is a mix of
> technical recommendations and again a remember about sensitive data. An
> example would be:  https://www.debian.org/devel/dmup
>
I believe this one is accessible to anyone logged in:
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/L3
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Discussion about proposed Technical Code of Conduct (TCC)

2016-11-20 Thread Alex Monk 
On 20 November 2016 at 13:35, Jonathan Cardy 
wrote:
>
> The nastiest trolling, personal attacks and certainly the rape and murder
> threats will get people blocked anywhere in the movement except maybe,
> definitely in the past but hopefully not today, on IRC.
>

I would kick+block people doing that sort of thing in the IRC channels in
which I am an op (e.g. #mediawiki, #wikimedia-labs and various minor ones).
I would be shocked to see ops of other channels willingly ignoring that.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recent statement on the block of Wikipedia in Turkey

2018-05-24 Thread Alex Monk 
I think they can see the subdomain too (i.e. en.wikipedia.org or
tr.wikipedia.org) but yeah.

On Thu, 24 May 2018, 09:13 James Hare,  wrote:

> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 12:55 AM, David Cuenca Tudela 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Eileen,
> >
> > Thanks for the follow up and for the nice letter that you wrote to the
> > Turkish Minister. There is something I do not understand about Turkey's
> > block and maybe you (or somebody else) could offer some insights about
> it.
> >
> > Apparently the ban was issued because it was felt that Turkey was
> > misrepresented in some articles. My question is, why didn't they block
> only
> > the offending articles (as they did in the past with other articles)
> > instead of the whole site?
> >
> > Regards,
> > David
>
>
>
> One of the effects of Wikipedia's HTTPS-only policy is that ISPs, the
> Turkish government, and other parties who may be monitoring traffic can't
> see the contents of the traffic – they can only see a connection between
> your machine and "wikipedia.org". The option to selectively block traffic
> doesn't exist because they can't see what that traffic even is.
>
> So why not allow HTTP-only connections if it gives the Turkish government
> the option to block the articles it wants and letting the others through?
> Political implications of that aside, the result is that a user couldn't
> really guarantee what they were reading was Wikipedia. Which is to say, the
> policy of only allowing access to Wikipedia over a secure connection is how
> Wikipedia guarantees that you are actually reading Wikipedia and not
> Wikipedia plus injected propaganda or injected advertisements or what have
> you.
>
>
> 
> James Hare
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Board of Trustees April 2018 meeting minutes

2018-06-15 Thread Alex Monk 
"*Non-Board members present:* [...], Jaime Villagomez (Treasurer; Chief
Financial Officer)"

On Fri, 15 Jun 2018, 20:46 James Salsman,  wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>
> Thanks for posting the minutes. Regarding "Jaime presented a proposed
> revision to the Foundation investment policy that shifted to a model
> more focused on cash preservation than on short-term equity," who is
> Jamie and why is appreciation not considered a goal on equal footing
> with (and subsumed by first principles in) appreciation?
>
> Best regards,
> Jim
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 3:38 PM, Charles M. Roslof
>  wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > The Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees has approved and published
> > minutes from its meeting on April 19, 2018:
> > https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/2018-04-19
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Charles M. Roslof
> > Legal Counsel
> > Wikimedia Foundation
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Status of Wikipedia Zero

2018-07-01 Thread Alex Monk 
So we just need someone to populate that table with expiry dates?

On 1 July 2018 at 16:41, Steinsplitter Wiki 
wrote:

> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Mobile_partnerships
>
> --Steinsplitter
>
> 
> Von: Wikimedia-l  im Auftrag von
> Michael Snow 
> Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Juni 2018 21:11
> An: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Betreff: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Status of Wikipedia Zero
>
> On 6/30/2018 11:11 AM, Lucas Teles wrote:
> > I was also looking for information on the expiration date for
> partnerships,
> > which is when the users will notice the access issues. Not sure if there
> is
> > any.
> I would guess that partnerships are not being terminated early, but
> merely being allowed to expire whenever they expire. As the end date
> will depend on the agreement that formed the partnership, I expect there
> is not a single universal date on which Wikipedia Zero ends.
>
> --Michael Snow
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Inc. working with Go Fish Digital, a company that whitewashes Wikipedia

2018-07-28 Thread Alex Monk 
On 28 July 2018 at 03:19, Gregory Varnum  wrote:

> Thank you to everyone that has provided thoughtful and constructive input
> on this discussion, and to the volunteers who are investigating the
> possible policy violations. We have some additional information on this
> vendor relationship and on steps being taken that we believe will be
> helpful to this discussion.

[...]

As we are now aware of the vendor's possible violations and feel they
> should have shared this information with us during discussions, we will not
> be pursuing any future working relationship with Go Fish Digital and will
> be requesting that they honor our contractual agreement by not discussing
> their past relationship with us for promotional purposes. Additionally, we
> are reviewing the way that this vendor was selected in an effort to see if
> we can identify what led to this issue and better identify these types of
> concerns when identifying future vendors and executing agreements with them.

Thank you, it sounds like some lessons have/are being learnt.

On 28 July 2018 at 03:19, Gregory Varnum  wrote:

> they did not request or receive access to any Wikimedia user data. The
> contract concluded last month.
>
This is interesting, considering they asked for and received some data
according to:
* https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T194287 - this one didn't happen but
shows they requested some data
* https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T193052 - where they received the above
data, I'm assuming that Googlebot etc. bots are not being considered
Wikimedia Users under your definition.
* https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T192893 - they have some access until
Wednesday (while the contract ended last month)? That console apparently
includes some PII, which may include 'actual users'? Are they 'Google
users' instead of 'Wikimedia users' at that point? Some clarification on
this might be a good idea.

On 28 July 2018 at 03:19, Gregory Varnum  wrote:

> Again, we appreciate the attention provided to this by the functionaries
> and others who raised these concerns.


There's two more interesting things I noticed from looking at the SPI page:
* The article on SurveyMonkey is listed in the current case. I believe
that's another company/site that has been used by Wikimedia in the past.
** I'm not sure if it's still in use.
** I haven't looked into who made what edit, and the 'LinkedIn search'
comment next to it doesn't tell me much.
* In the history, Deskana (the volunteer account of an Audiences department
PM involved in the Go Fish Digital engagement based on the above phab
links, who is also a CU) was one of the people to have closed a case on
this SPI page the past, for inactivity in December (a few months before the
engagement): https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?
title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/BurritoSlayer&
diff=815611486=805166806=source
** I'm not aware of any Go Fish Digital connection being known at that
point in time so hopefully this was entirely normal and not of any concern.
** When did Go Fish Digital in particular first get proposed within the
foundation exactly?
** Who has been included in the functionaries' discussion on this subject?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Creation of separate user group for editing sitewide CSS/JS

2018-07-10 Thread Alex Monk 
On 10 July 2018 at 12:06, Bodhisattwa Mandal 
wrote:

> 1) Not all communities have been informed about this future change (
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Distribution_list/Technical_Village_Pumps_
> distribution_list
> )

The plan appears to be to do this, maybe it just hasn't happened yet:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Creation_of_separate_user_group_for_editing_sitewide_CSS/JS#Announcement_plan

2) The comments in the meta talk page suggests that there is no intention
> to get opinions from editor community members. Everything seems to be
> pre-decided by the developer community and we dont have other options but
> to accept the proposal without proper discussion.
> (
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Creation_of_separate_user_group_for_
> editing_sitewide_CSS/JS
> )
>
It's a software security decision so editor community acceptance of this
change is optional, but there is an attempt to get the opinions of editor
community members (if there wasn't there wouldn't even be a page on meta
about this). These rights should never have been bundled with sysop rights,
they are incredibly dangerous and more on the level of bureaucrat/steward
than anything else in the sysop rights list.

3) Many admins from smaller wikis have expressed their concerns that this
> decision will severely affect the workflow of those wikis, but none of
> these concerns are addressed.
>
I don't see how. The current local group the rights are granted by is
bureaucrat-grantable, and the new local group the rights will be granted by
will be bureaucrat-grantable.


> 4) Many editors have expressed concern over just 2 week short notice period
> for this transition. But that concern is also not addressed.
>

If we were to say that stewards would be allowed to assign the rights to
any existing local admin (without extra discussion) on the conditions that:
1) they were an admin at the time of the group losing its rights and have
not lost any local rights since
2) there have been no local bureaucrats active on the wiki since the change.
I think this would be fine.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Universal forced HTTPS backdoor in Kazakhstan

2019-07-28 Thread Alex Monk 
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe browsers always ignored HPKP rules
when presented with a cert signed by a CA that is locally installed rather
than default.

On Sun, 28 Jul 2019, 12:58 John Erling Blad,  wrote:

> The Kazakhstan MITM could be stopped by HTTP Public Key Pinning [1], but
> Chrome seems to have dropped support for HPKP[2]? Dropping HPKP made the
> MITM attack possible, by forcing the users to install the root certificate,
> as many of the sites listed has been on the HPKP list. With HPKP in place
> the scheme would be somewhat harder to implement.
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Public_Key_Pinning
> [2] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1412438
>
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 3:05 PM Yury Bulka <
> setthemf...@privacyrequired.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I don't see any position from Mozilla on this yet:
> > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1567114
> >
> >
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.security.policy/wnuKAhACo3E
> >
> > Couldn't find anything about Google Chrome.
> >
> > Meanwhile, I have emailed secur...@wikimedia.org with a link to this
> > discussion (hope it's not a terribly inappropriate thing to do).
> >
> > I'd be great to hear from WMF about their view on this.
> >
> > Best,
> > Yury.
> >
> > Yury Bulka  writes:
> >
> > > I'm not in Kazakhstan and am not in directly touch with any of
> > > wikimedians there, so I don't know their position.
> > >
> > > However, I'm not sure how much freedom they have in expressing their
> > > honest opinion about this publicly. Simply because it is always a
> > > pros-and-cons calculation to criticise your local goverment in such
> > > situations.
> > >
> > > Yaroslav Blanter  writes:
> > >
> > >> I do not think Kazakhstan has a chapter. In the past, some Kazakh
> > >> Wikimedians enjoyed close collaboration with the government (for
> > example,
> > >> the Kazakhstani Encyclopedia has been released under a free license
> and
> > >> verbatim copied to the Kazakh Wikipedia, so that I do not expect much.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers
> > >> Yaroslav
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 12:45 PM Thomas Townsend <
> homesec1...@gmail.com
> > >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Yury
> > >>>
> > >>> What is the position of the Kazakhstan chapter on this?
> > >>>
> > >>> The Turnip
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sun, 21 Jul 2019 at 11:36, Yury Bulka
> > >>>  wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > I'm sure many have heard about this:
> > >>> >
> > >>>
> >
> https://thehackernews.com/2019/07/kazakhstan-https-security-certificate.html
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Essentially, the government in Kazakhstan started forcing citizens
> > into
> > >>> > installing a root TLS certificate on their devices that would allow
> > the
> > >>> > government to intercept, decrypt and manipulate all HTTPS traffic.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Without the centificate, it seems, citizens can't access HTTPS
> pages
> > (at
> > >>> > least on some ISPs).
> > >>> >
> > >>> > I think this has serious implications for Wikipedia & Wikimedia, as
> > not
> > >>> > only they would be easily able to see which articles people read,
> but
> > >>> > also steal login credentials, depseudonymize people and even hijack
> > >>> > admin accounts.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Another danger is that if this effort by Kazakhstan will succeed,
> > other
> > >>> > governments may start doing the same.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > I wonder if WMF has any position on this yet?
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Best,
> > >>> > Yury.
> > >>> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] TLS

2019-11-24 Thread Alex Monk 
Sounds like you may have been affected by
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T238038 which would've sent you to a page
like https://meta.wikimedia.org/sec-warning
Why are you attempting to connect using old versions of TLS?

On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 at 20:30, Benjamin Ikuta 
wrote:

>
>
> Was support for legacy TLS temporarily discontinued or something?
>
> I noticed I couldn't connect the other day, but now it seems I can again.
>
> For what it's worth, I strongly oppose any measure that makes Wikimedia
> projects less accessible.
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Persistence of old vandalized Wikipedia articles in Google search, especially for zombie attacks

2019-10-06 Thread Alex Monk 
I've had a few successes in the past with getting Google to remove
vandalised versions of pages from their cache/main search results using
https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/removals?pli=1 - in this case it
appears in the knowledge panel but not the cached copy of the page, so it
might be more tricky. I clicked the feedback link, then the Wikipedia
extract and wrote that it was a vandalised revision... Don't know if they
actually read that stuff though.

On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 at 16:56, Dennis During  wrote:

> Isn't it statistically inevitable that some offensively vandalized version
> of some WP article will happen to be the version that Google caches? I
> suppose they don't refresh the cache very often. Weekly? I know Google
> doesn't make it easy to complain effectively about such blunders.
>
> On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 10:20 AM Fæ  wrote:
>
> > Can someone explain how a vandalized version of the Wikipedia article
> > about Henry Kissinger that was only visible for a rather short time
> > several days ago, is still being promoted in Google searches
> > today?[1][2]
> >
> > The "zombie sex" vandalism was only visible for a few minutes, quickly
> > fixed by admin El C and the page indefinitely protected. Yet it is
> > this four day old version that Google searches were using in
> > preference to either the current version or older versions with more
> > long term public visibility. In the age of real smart Google AI and
> > active mirrors of Wikipedia, how is this still our reality? It does
> > not give me confidence that politically vandalized articles
> > potentially for the benefit of state sponsored agents are not also
> > being promoted in searches for several days, regardless of how
> > fleetingly they are visible on Wikipedia and speedily corrected by
> > volunteers.
> >
> > It would be good to have a simple explanation of any improvements to
> > how this works, and our Wikimedia projects pragmatic relationship with
> > Google and other search engines.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Links
> > 1.
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Henry_Kissinger=history
> > 2. https://twitter.com/Faewik/status/1180847863854706689/photo/1
> >
> > Fae
> > --
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Media coverage in Germany: Enterprise / Advocacy

2022-01-29 Thread Alex Monk 
Do you have a source for that number?

On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 at 20:38, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:

>
> As for nobody at Wikimedia profiting off the free content created by
> volunteers, that is relative. WMF salary costs currently average over
> $200,000 per employee. In most parts of the world, that would be considered
> wealthy. A minor issue in the grand scheme of things, certainly, but still
> relevant to us here at least.
>
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