Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide Wiki
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Mark Jaroski mark.jaro...@gmail.com wrote: We're under the impression that there are other Wikimedia foundation projects which don't use NPOV, and so those of us favouring approaching WMF have been able to argue that we wouldn't be forced to use it. If that's wrong then we should probably just give up this line of exploration and go find another solution. My impression of sister projects is the same. Not all of the same rules that apply to Wikipedia also apply to sister projects. With the exception of very few mandatory things (like respect for information about living persons), individual projects can determine their own rules and policies as much as they want. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] ombudsmen commission
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 9:06 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Is there an auditable log of these actions? i.e. one that OTRS admins cant doctor? As Rjd said, there isn't. Nothing will ever be perfect though. For example, the mailman mailing list that they currently use can easily be accessed by anyone with the root mailman password. The list of people with that password is very small -- and is mostly restricted to sysadmins and high-level staffers -- but there are still people who can hypothetically access it without anyone knowing. It's more an issue of minimizing risk than eliminating it. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation's support of OTRS
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 12:18 AM, DeltaQuad Wikipedia deltaquadw...@gmail.com wrote: Is it a better idea to have wikimedians (maybe through grants, idk) build something open source and cc-whatever? That way fixes can be made and we can get many devs (broad sense of the term) fixing bugs of a new system. OTRS is open source. The letters OTRS themselves stand for Open-source ticket request system. -- Casey Brown (Cbrown1023) caseybrown.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 7:15 AM, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote: This is the email that got sent out to everyone, For what it's worth, this didn't get sent out to everyone. I was a bureaucrat and administrator, and have the most edits on that wiki (afaik?), and wasn't notified. Like Huib, I was also in the batch of blog moderator removals and wasn't notified about that either. I'm not very active anymore, so it's not really a huge deal, but it's still bad form to have not gotten any kind of notification at all. -- Casey Brown (Cbrown1023) caseybrown.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 8:28 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: Try and be a bit nicer please. Gayle is still relatively new and this level of scrutiny might be jarring for someone. Comments like these have always bothered me. Gayle isn't some random secretary or new run-of-the-mill employee. She is a C-level staff member who has been here for more than a year and made a policy decision that people have feedback on. While the feedback may not have come in the nicest form, it is still valid and we can't just ignore it because it wasn't nice enough. As a high level staff member in charge of your own department, you need to deal with it -- this is one thing that comes with the job, unfortunately. It's an insult to Gayle to assume that she will not be able to handle criticism or answer people's responses. A C-level staff member needs to be able to handle this scrutiny, even high level scrutiny, when they were the one that made the call, and I'm sure she's more than capable of doing that. [Note that I'm speaking generally -- I personally think Gayle can handle criticism and she seems very nice. She also probably had no idea this would create dramz. My comment is directed towards the general omg think of the staff member! response to criticism that is systemic in our movement.] On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org wrote: With that said: I'm afraid we're headed toward a precipice. What I'm seeing scares me. I see less and less good faith being offered toward the WMF. This is something that bothers me too. The situation is always framed as poor WMF. Yes, it is true that bad faith is assumed on both sides, but I don't really think the community (including the chapters) is the only one doing that. A lot of the reason the community responds with such little faith or with such outrage at the actions of the Wikimedia Foundation is because they do not afford them any good faith either -- the community is simply acting on the defensive. Many decisions are just handed out, are half-baked, or are handled behind closed doors, so people have no idea how to respond and feel no ownership. If people have no control over a situation, the only way to respond is to point fingers and complain. We all work on things together -- there aren't many areas that are exclusively community or WMF. If you don't let the community do anything to fix a problem or constructively contribute to bettering the situation, you're going to find yourself stuck with a lot of bad faith and complaining. Take the WMFwiki policy decision for example -- was it really necessary to discuss everything behind closed doors? Did the action need to be taken two hours before the work week ended and before the decision maker would be out of reach? We're always painting the Wikimedia Foundation as the victim, but we're forgetting that they definitely have their share of the blame. I realize that we're all human, but, at the end of the day, the Foundation *should* be held to a higher standard -- they are being paid to learn from their mistakes, get things done correctly, and handle criticism. If something is going to be controversial, it should not be done on a Friday before work ends and then say no one can respond until Monday when someone critiques it. [Again: I'm speaking more generally. I don't personally care that much about the WMFwiki issue, since I'm not active much anymore.] We definitely have an agency issue here. The volunteers and the community should not be viewed as a lone aggressor -- they're who the Foundation ultimately report to: Staff = ED = Board = Community. The readers and donors are clear stakeholders, but the community is at the top of the pyramid. The Foundation is not completely innocent, but when things go wrong, we can't just call the community out for complaining and then ignore the reason for that complaint. -- Casey Brown (Cbrown1023) caseybrown.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where did noboards go
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Erlend Bjørtvedt erl...@wikimedia.no wrote: I know this is probably not the right spot, but since the WMF site does not state who is responsible for the chapter sites, I am sorry to post this question here Where did the boards/chapters pages go, like this one https://noboard.chapters.wikimedia.org/wiki/ when I enter it, it says that it does not exist. If these sites have moved, I would be overwhelmed to know where they are to be found, since they contain much valuable information... I reopened the bug that probably broke the wiki's configuration: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31335 -- Casey Brown (Cbrown1023) caseybrown.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where did noboards go
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Casey Brown li...@caseybrown.org wrote: I reopened the bug that probably broke the wiki's configuration: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31335 This has since been fixed by Sam Reed. See the bug for more information. The new site address is https://noboard-chapters.wikimedia.org/ and previous links might not work, so make sure everyone with access to the wiki knows to update their bookmarks. -- Casey Brown (Cbrown1023) caseybrown.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where did noboards go
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Erlend Bjørtvedt erl...@wikimedia.no wrote: I am sorry, but an admin at MediaWiki (?) needs to enable upload to the noboards site. We use this site to store all our documents relating to accounting, salaries, tax, etc. After the troubles mentioned, it is not any more possible to upload anything to this site. Do anyone have any idea of who, where, and how this admin rights can be changed so that we can upload? I am sorry to bother l-list with this, but at WMF and Meta there aren't any contact infos for this, whatsoever. The best contact point for tech issues like these is Bugzilla https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/. The system administrators watch for new bugs and should be able to solve problems you run into. I've also CC'ed Sam Reed on this message, since he was the one who moved the wiki and might know what you're asking about. When you say admin rights, do you mean the local administrators/bureaucrats on the wiki? Does no one have advanced user rights at the moment? If so, stewards can modify user rights if you leave a request at [[m:SRP]]. The database name should be noboard_chapterswikimedia. -- Casey Brown (Cbrown1023) caseybrown.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
