Re: [Wikimedia-l] "let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering "community" team!" (brainstorming)

[Gryllida]

On Tue, 5 Aug 2014, at 20:48, Fæ wrote:
> On 5 August 2014 11:33, Gryllida  wrote:
> > Hi all.
> >
> > WMF Engineering is currently composed of individual teams as documented at 
> > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering . These teams look 
> > after the software that faces us everyday, and often work together.
> >
> > Could we please have some more people (potentially a dedicated ‘community’ 
> > team) who could do these things:
> > - encourage feedback by absolutely /anyone/ about the next features they'd 
> > like,
> > - run programming and documentation activities requested (or started) by 
> > community [there would be a lot of small projects, unlike the big ones the 
> > current Teams are working on],
> > - encourage localising documentation for, and centralising the location of, 
> > all community-developed programming work,
> > - raise awareness of community development efforts across all Wikimedia 
> > projects,
> > - actively encourage members of community become MediaWiki and Gadgets 
> > hackers in the Free Software philosophy?
> >
> > This would be, in my view, a relatively small, collaboration-type team 
> > (with just half a handful of people for timezone coverage for IRC support).
> >
> > Open to brainstorming and suggestions. I would compile thoughts into a wiki 
> > page afterwards to continue thinking on the idea.
> 
> The roles you describe seem to have a lot of overlap with what we
> might expect WMF volunteer coordinators / WMF community liaison
> employees to be busy with. Compare with:
> * 
> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Volunteer_Development_Coordinator
> * http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Community_Liaison
> 
> Do you intend this to be an unpaid team of volunteers doing these
> tasks, or a end user group (in the Agile sense) that would be
> supported by employees and may themselves be paid for some activities?
> 
> Fae

"Both please"? [This is a question! This is a brainstorming thread.]

Some part of such group of people could be paid (like the job openings you 
linked), and a very vast part could be volunteer and supported by the said 
employees (and documentation).

Gryllida.

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[Wikimedia-l] "let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering "community" team!" (brainstorming)

[Gryllida]

Hi all.

WMF Engineering is currently composed of individual teams as documented at 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering . These teams look after 
the software that faces us everyday, and often work together.

Could we please have some more people (potentially a dedicated ‘community’ 
team) who could do these things:
- encourage feedback by absolutely /anyone/ about the next features they'd like,
- run programming and documentation activities requested (or started) by 
community [there would be a lot of small projects, unlike the big ones the 
current Teams are working on],
- encourage localising documentation for, and centralising the location of, all 
community-developed programming work,
- raise awareness of community development efforts across all Wikimedia 
projects,
- actively encourage members of community become MediaWiki and Gadgets hackers 
in the Free Software philosophy?

This would be, in my view, a relatively small, collaboration-type team (with 
just half a handful of people for timezone coverage for IRC support).

Open to brainstorming and suggestions. I would compile thoughts into a wiki 
page afterwards to continue thinking on the idea.

Regards
Gryllida.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Asking Google to output Wikipedia citation format in Scholar

[Gryllida]

Does the same apply to other sister projects? It could make sense to make such 
request for all...

On Mon, 4 Aug 2014, at 03:14, Andy Mabbett wrote:
> Google Scholar search results each have a "cite" link, which generates
> citation text to copy-and-paste in three formats (MLA, APA, Chicago).
> 
> Is there someone at Google we can talk to, to get Wikipedia's citation
> format included?
> 
> For English-language users (or results), the {{Cite journal}} template
> is probably most appropriate.
> 
> -- 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

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On Sun, 3 Aug 2014, at 08:27, Fæ wrote:
> Re: 
> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/aug/02/wikipedia-page-google-link-hidden-right-to-be-forgotten
> 
> If Google "disappearing" a Wikipedia article is a notable news event,


It is not. They had processed a lot of such requests in July.

The real "event" is here:

"On Thursday, Google revealed that France, with 17,500 requests, had made more 
demands for changes to search results than any other European nation. Germany 
had made 16,500 requests, and 12,000 requests originated in the UK. Some 8,000 
requests came from Spain, 7,500 from Italy, and 5,500 from the Netherlands.

By 18 July, Google had received 91,000 takedown requests in total, relating to 
300,000 pages. Its privacy counsel, Peter Fleischer, revealed it had refused 
around 32% of them, asked for more information on 15%, and removed 53%."

And another (past) event here:

"In May, the European Court of Justice ruled that citizens could ask search 
engines to remove particular links from results for a search made under their 
name, if the material was deemed to be out of date, no longer relevant or 
excessive"

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interest in a community strategic planning meeting?

[Gryllida]

Pine,

We need more of

- decentralized development so that people can write new gadgets and extensions 
easier like firefox jetpack for example.. Each project needs its own editing 
and feedback tools that it would happily design on wiki in collaborative fashion

- means to encourage more content work from community with less noise and drama

I could expect wmf to do the former but the latter is up to us all, you and 
me...

As people replied, & please mind that you do not know the situation in other 
projects and languages - proper feedback or outreach software is needed here 
and community can shape a spec at least, which the wmf can code or fund through 
its Ieg grants program. I am sure you could draft the idea and help it evolve, 
then apply for a grant and hire someone to do it.

The brainstorming might be too early, I am yet to see any proper analysis of 
what the users /really/ need or have trouble with (no, not learning the markup 
or getting articles or uploads in, unlike the current focuses). We need a lot 
more information/feedback here than a brainstorming session...

Gryllida.

On Mon, 14 Jul 2014, at 17:25, Pine W wrote:
> Hi community members,
> 
> I'm wondering how many people might be interested in having an IRC meeting
> regarding the community's relationship to WMF and potentially developing
> our own strategic plan that would be independent of WMF. In the past few
> days I've heard some defense of WMF but mainly criticism and pessimism,
> especially people recalling past hurts and feeling powerless to negotiate
> with WMF. Perhaps it's time that we in the community create our own
> strategic plan and develop strategic options.
> 
> Please note that this would be a long-term planning meeting and we are not
> likely to make major decisions, but we would start brainstorming and laying
> some foundations.
> 
> Topics of possible discussion regarding our relationship with WMF:
> 
> 1. Strategic options, such as finding alternative organizations to WMF for
> hosting Wikimedia sites or creating a new hosting organization that is
> aligned with community values.
> 
> 2. Activism at the Board and grassroots levels.
> 
> Topics of possible discussion regarding other strategic issues:
> 
> 3. Internal reform of the community, such as a fresh look at Wikimedia's
> founding principles and the Five Pillars, including civility.
> 
> 4. What we can do as a community about our active editor statistics.
> 
> I expect this would be an interesting meeting if people are interested in
> participating, and I hope that we would brainstorm some ideas about how we
> want to move forward on all of these questions and others if we have time.
> If there are many participants, which would be *great*, then we may need
> additional meetings or to move the conversation on-wiki.
> 
> If you're interested, you can respond on list but feel free to respond to
> me off-list also. I'm just trying to get a sense of the interest level of
> the community. I hear a lot of people being upset but what I feel we need
> to know is how many people would be interested in creating a long-term
> strategic plan and brainstorming strategic options.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

[Gryllida]

Pine,

please read what risker said in this thread. It is not about proper paperwork, 
it is about choosing who to reach and what to communicate to them.

Communicate with multimedia team about getting an objective picture and doing 
the statistics right.

This is a broad interesting topic that, as you may see at the rfc talk page, 
would make use of a structured and free approach with better software (and 
rather interestingly, potentionally input from users of various sister projects 
and languages).

Gryllida.

On Mon, 14 Jul 2014, at 15:40, Pine W wrote:
> Hi Gryllida,
> 
> As I said on the Arbcom case page, RfCs result in changes to Wikipedia on a
> regular basis despite having a small numbers of participants in each RfC,
> and current English Wikipedia policy does not require a minimum number of
> participants beyond what is necessary to establish consensus. Furthermore,
> any assertion that the MV RfC was invalid because of its advertising or
> because it had too few participants would open up countless RfCs to being
> challenged for the same reason. I believe that the form of the MediaViewer
> RfC and participation in it were sufficient to establish a legitimate
> consensus.
> 
> I am still thinking through the effects that this situation has on the
> WMF-community relationship. I'm pretty discouraged, and I know others are
> too.
> 
> Pine
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 2:36 AM, Gryllida  wrote:
> 
> > Pine and all,
> >
> > Please read here:
> >
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Media_Viewer/June_2014_RfC#Proposal_to_reach_consistency.2Fagreement_first.2C_before_actioning_this_RfC
> >
> > Gryllida.
> >
> > On Thu, 10 Jul 2014, at 15:03, Pine W wrote:
> > > This discussion has closed on English Wikipedia:
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Media_Viewer/June_2014_RfC
> > >
> > > Will WMF deactivate MediaViewer on English Wikipedia per community
> > > consensus?
> > >
> > > Also, as WMF probably knows, Commons is currently having a similar
> > > discussion:
> > >
> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_comment/Media_Viewer_software_feature
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

[Gryllida]

Pine and all,

Please read here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Media_Viewer/June_2014_RfC#Proposal_to_reach_consistency.2Fagreement_first.2C_before_actioning_this_RfC

Gryllida.

On Thu, 10 Jul 2014, at 15:03, Pine W wrote:
> This discussion has closed on English Wikipedia:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Media_Viewer/June_2014_RfC
> 
> Will WMF deactivate MediaViewer on English Wikipedia per community
> consensus?
> 
> Also, as WMF probably knows, Commons is currently having a similar
> discussion:
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_comment/Media_Viewer_software_feature
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stop the New Privacy Policy until Lila is Thoroughly Briefed on It, Countdown 14 Hours

[Gryllida]

On Fri, 6 Jun 2014, at 5:02, Trillium Corsage wrote:
> They're going to behave better if they know they can be held accountable for 
> their actions. 

That's not something you can force on people. 

People can easily be anonymous by means of generic nicknames, shared IPs and 
whatnot - even releasing a contributors's IP out in the public, which clearly 
violates privacy of a registered contributor, would not help to hold him/her 
"accountable" if he does not want to. And if he wants to, he can put 
identifying information on his/her personal page anyway.

I don't see any relation of a privacy policy to such kind goal.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

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On Mon, 21 Apr 2014, at 0:58, Isarra Yos wrote:
> On 20/04/14 11:50, Liangent wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Amir E. Aharoni, 20/04/2014 08:39:
> >>
> >>   Silly technical remark: Everybody, please stop doing this with
> >>> parentheses.
> >>> It breaks in right to left languages. Gary-WMF is just as readable, and
> >>> doesn't have this problem. Thanks for the attention.
> >>>
> >> Your suggestion works against the built-in assumptions of MediaWiki for
> >> disambiguations.
> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Pipe_trick
> >>
> > Then "Gary, WMF"?
> >
> >
> >> Nemo
> 
> Removing the affiliation from the name itself and adding it as a group 
> would allow the mediawiki to format the name and group in a way that 
> makes sense for the given language. Keep to the parentheses for english 
> and such, do other things for ones where that doesn't work or wouldn't 
> be the norm.
> 
> -I

Removing the affiliation from the name itself could also help to keep a history 
of past affiliations and address issues raised by Risker earlier.

Gryllida.

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[Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

[Gryllida]

On a second thought, do we want to add an optional "affiliation" field to the 
signup form, so the affiliation goes at the end of username in braces?

- DGarry (WMF)
- Fred (DesignSolutionsInc)
- David (MIT)
- ...

So the signup form would look like this:

 -
| |
| [ Username preview in large green font ]|
| |
| Username:   |
|  ___|
| Password:   |
|  ___|
| Password 2: |
|  ___|
| Email (optional):   |
|  ___|
| Affiliation (optional; if your editing is related to work): |
|  ___|
| |
 -

I.e.

 -
|     |
| [ "Gryllida (FOO)" in large green font ]|
| |
| Username:   |
|  _Gryllida__|
| Password:   |
|  ___|
| Password 2: |
|  ___|
| Email (optional):   |
|  ___|
| Affiliation (optional; if your editing is related to work): |
|  _FOO___|
| |
 -----

Gryllida.


On Sun, 23 Feb 2014, at 1:25, rupert THURNER wrote:
> hi,
> 
> could wmf please extend the mediawiki software in the following way:
> 1. it should knows "groups"
> 2. allow users to store an arbitrary number of groups with their profile
> 3. allow to select one of the "group"s joined to an edit when saving
> 4. add a checkbox "COI" to an edit, meaning "potential conflict of interest"
> 5. display and filter edits marked with COI in a different color in history
> views
> 6. display and filter edits done for a group in a different color in
> history views
> 7. allow members of a group to receive notifications done on the group page,
>or when a group is mentioned in an edit/comment/talk page.
> 
> reason:
> currently it is quite cumbersome to participate as an organisation. it is
> quite cumbersome for people as well to detect COI edits. the most prominent
> examples are employees of the wikimedia foundation, and GLAMs. users tend
> to create multiple accounts, and try to create "company accounts". the main
> reason for this behaviour are (examples, but of course valid general):
> * have a feedback page / notification page for the swiss federal archive
> for other users
> * make clear that an edit is done private or as wmf employee
> 
> this then would allow the community to create new policies, e.g. the german
> community might cease using company accounts, and switch over to this
> system. this proposal is purely technical. current policies can still be
> applied if people do not need something else, e.g. wmf employees may
> continue to use "sue gardner (wmf)" accounts.
> 
> what you think?
> 
> best regards,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanks to the people who made Echo, VisualEditor and Wikidata

[Gryllida]

With due thanks, I would like to specifically point to these two bugs, as I 
believe they're changing the style of talking unnecessarily. I would like you 
to see the potential for fixing these early.

https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49446 - Notifications: Linking a 
username in an Edit-Summary should trigger a notification
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30750 - Notify user when 
username used in an edit summary

gry

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: Transparency for Wikimedia "paid volunteers"

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On Fri, 4 Apr 2014, at 22:14, Fæ wrote:
> *Definition of "paid volunteer":*
> Paid volunteers are employees, contractors or part time contractors of
> Wikimedia organizations or other organizations having agreements or
> partnerships with Wikimedia. The paid volunteer contributes to Wikimedia
> projects and discussions that influence the content of Wikimedia projects.
> This includes employees and contractors that may not be paid for their
> on-project activities, however their employer benefits from the content of
> the same projects.

Dear Fae,

If I am a student and write wikipedia articles about commercial software my 
university uses in my free time, I satisfy this definition. However, I would 
have no conflict of interest here, as neither I nor my university gets paid for 
the new information I would write.

I think that in such situation, I can silently do my things within interest of 
satisfying Wikimedia mission of free knowledge. You should not require anything 
of me. I would like you to re-think your definitions here.

Related: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Terms_of_use/Paid_contributions_amendment/Archives/2014-03-07#What_to_ask_to_disclose:_paid_contributions_or_COI.3F

Gryllida.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Katherine Maher joins the Wikimedia Foundation as Chief Communications Officer

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Добро пожаловать!

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our next strategy plan-Paid editing

[Gryllida]

Ah. Thanks!

On Thu, 27 Mar 2014, at 2:38, Maggie Dennis wrote:
> Gryllida, the section is here:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Terms_of_use/Paid_contributions_amendment/Archives/2014-03-07
> 
> Maggie
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 3:31 AM, Gryllida  wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 26 Mar 2014, at 3:06, Anders Wennersten wrote:
> > > The discussion on the proposed amendment is now closed [1)
> >
> > I don't see my edit in the final archived version. Namely, the "What to
> > ask to disclose: paid contributions or COI?" section I created. Link
> > provided. I hope someone here can provide insight on where it's gone.
> >
> >
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Terms_of_use/Paid_contributions_amendment&diff=prev&oldid=7694857#What_to_ask_to_disclose:_paid_contributions_or_COI.3F
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] is Wikiquote in decline or just stagnant

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Hi John,

Thanks for these details...

On Wed, 26 Mar 2014, at 13:19, John Mark Vandenberg wrote:
> See the graphs for 5+ editors here:
> 
> http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikibooks/EN/ChartsWikipediaZZ.htm
> http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikiquote/EN/ChartsWikipediaZZ.htm
> http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikinews/EN/ChartsWikipediaZZ.htm

I find it humorous that this page says "number of Wikipedians" for some other 
language editions.

> 
> It is wikinews that

Careful about wording there. "English" Wikinews. Other language editions are 
different.


> has been loosing contributors since mid 2008, and

And obtaining too -- the stats show the sum of those who joined and those who 
left I believe.

> new articles per day has dropped since late 2010.

That's around when they introduced the peer review. (Again, just the English 
version.)

> 
> Wikibooks contributor count fluctuates a lot.
> 
> Wikiquote is fairly static, but using a constant number of
> contributors to justify 'stagnant' isnt accurate.  The content metrics
> of Wikiquote indicate it is still growing, at a fairly constant rate.

Right; I'm personally quite disliking these statistics, as the software has no 
means implemented to merge edits, such as when I make a typo. I keep struggling 
to find means to reduce the edit count to make things easier for others to 
track.

Gryllida.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our next strategy plan-Paid editing

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On Wed, 26 Mar 2014, at 3:06, Anders Wennersten wrote:
> The discussion on the proposed amendment is now closed [1)

I don't see my edit in the final archived version. Namely, the "What to ask to 
disclose: paid contributions or COI?" section I created. Link provided. I hope 
someone here can provide insight on where it's gone.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Terms_of_use/Paid_contributions_amendment&diff=prev&oldid=7694857#What_to_ask_to_disclose:_paid_contributions_or_COI.3F

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] More new editors?

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At risk of not quite answering the question:

To keep our editors properly, we should make the software sufficiently 
reasonable and flexibly to automate routine work people encounter...

I couldn't get started at Wiktionary or Wikibooks easily due to my lack of 
linguistic or librarian background, and lack of tools to make elementary edits 
within such project scope — tools anyone can edit, using a standardized 
flexible framework, unlike the existing 'gadgets' which are so easy to break 
and difficult to write in a way which is easy to maintain, and share so little 
code.

On Fri, 7 Mar 2014, at 19:35, Charles Andrès wrote:
> TLDR:transform the thank you campaign after the fundraising  in a "Thank you 
> campaign: became an editor"
> 
> 
> Following a really nice discussion of the swiss mailing list, I had a look in 
> the statistics here: 
> http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediansEditsGt5.htm
> 
> First, as unfortunately expected I notice the decrease between january 2013 
> and 2014, but in the second time I've been surprised by the increase in 
> january 2014 comparing to december 2013.
> 
> I first thought the large press coverage of the "decline of Wikipedia"  had 
> an effect to motivate new editors, but when looking to these charts 
> http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/new_editors
> 
> I notice that every winter we have these increase of editors , most probably 
> due to the fundraising campaign.
> 
> But unfortunately, like for Wiki Loves Monuments effect, this increase of new 
> editors during a month is not enough to invert the tendency 
> http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/active_editors
> 
> It has been discussed several time in the past, but I guess we should do it 
> again, how can we turned the fundraising campaign in a massive outreach 
> campaign?
> 
> I have two leads, the easy one and the complex one :-)
> 
> 
> The easy one would be to add to the thank you message an invitation to 
> join/meet/take information about users-group, thematic organisation or 
> chapters. This move may help to improve the retention by a face to face 
> approach.
> 
> The complex one would be to develop a system to invite people to contribute 
> in specific article.
> 
> The main point would be to transform the thank you campaign in a "Thank you 
> campaign: became an editor"
> The idea is to display a banner inviting the reader to edit wikipedia. the 
> concept is the following:
> identify the categories of the page currently displayed
> select three articles in these categories with a template “expand” or similar
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Empty_section
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Expand_section
> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Section_vide_ou_incompl%C3%A8te
> displayed a message like:
> You can also help Wikipedia by expanding an article, here are three articles 
> that need your help, if you want to know how you can help, click on the topic 
> you like :
> article from category one
> article from category two
> article from category three (or random category)
> after the reader click on the article, send him to the section to expand:
> in edit mode, with a banner explaining the basics of editing or
> with visual editor displaying a banner explaining this mode
> after publication of the article, a thank you banner, explaining how to 
> register, with a link to the create an account page
> 
> 
> I start a page on meta to see if this idea can be 
> discuss/expand/improved/deployed 
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CH/outreach_fundraising_campaign
> 
> 
> Thanks for your comment or your help, you can also took my idea , change it 
> totally and turn it in something doable! :-D
> 
> 
> Charles
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[Wikimedia-l] paid editing TOU amendment: disclose "paid editing" or "coi"?

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https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Terms_of_use/Paid_contributions_amendment#What_to_ask_to_disclose:_paid_contributions_or_COI.3F

Please participate in this discussion and help produce a well-readable 
revision, if such change is necessary. Thanks!

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia-l archives

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Did that reflect on gmane?

On Tue, 25 Feb 2014, at 10:48, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
> The archives were rebuilt (and then restored up to January) under 
> request of a user who shared private information in February. Old links 
> are not broken and you can normally access the specific "volumes": 
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2014-February/thread.html
> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] extend mediawiki software to allow append a "group", and "COI" to an edit

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No, I mean, that's what article talk page is for.

It's close to useless to get a contributor admit COI by ticking a box. 
1) He won't do it.
2) It's much better to add a box to ?action=edit, when a page is created, 
asking the contributor to type something in manually ("what motivated you to 
create article? please disclose conflict of interest and affiliations to help 
us help you.").

Stop adding complexity, bureaucracy and terms. The learning curve is full 
enough of paperwork, terms, badges, and reviewing as is.

On Sun, 23 Feb 2014, at 16:47, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> Hoi,
> Why ?
> Thanks.
>  GerardM
> 
> 
> On 22 February 2014 21:13, Gryllida  wrote:
> 
> > I do mind 5 and 6, since their submissions would be deleted aggressively.
> > I feel that you may introduce a marker if you want, but not a separate
> > queue.
> >
> > On Sun, 23 Feb 2014, at 2:25, rupert THURNER wrote:
> > > hi,
> > >
> > > could wmf please extend the mediawiki software in the following way:
> > > 1. it should knows "groups"
> > > 2. allow users to store an arbitrary number of groups with their profile
> > > 3. allow to select one of the "group"s joined to an edit when saving
> > > 4. add a checkbox "COI" to an edit, meaning "potential conflict of
> > interest"
> > > 5. display and filter edits marked with COI in a different color in
> > history
> > > views
> > > 6. display and filter edits done for a group in a different color in
> > > history views
> > > 7. allow members of a group to receive notifications done on the group
> > page,
> > >or when a group is mentioned in an edit/comment/talk page.
> > >
> > > reason:
> > > currently it is quite cumbersome to participate as an organisation. it is
> > > quite cumbersome for people as well to detect COI edits. the most
> > prominent
> > > examples are employees of the wikimedia foundation, and GLAMs. users tend
> > > to create multiple accounts, and try to create "company accounts". the
> > main
> > > reason for this behaviour are (examples, but of course valid general):
> > > * have a feedback page / notification page for the swiss federal archive
> > > for other users
> > > * make clear that an edit is done private or as wmf employee
> > >
> > > this then would allow the community to create new policies, e.g. the
> > german
> > > community might cease using company accounts, and switch over to this
> > > system. this proposal is purely technical. current policies can still be
> > > applied if people do not need something else, e.g. wmf employees may
> > > continue to use "sue gardner (wmf)" accounts.
> > >
> > > what you think?
> > >
> > > best regards,
> > > rupert
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] extend mediawiki software to allow append a "group", and "COI" to an edit

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I do mind 5 and 6, since their submissions would be deleted aggressively. I 
feel that you may introduce a marker if you want, but not a separate queue.

On Sun, 23 Feb 2014, at 2:25, rupert THURNER wrote:
> hi,
> 
> could wmf please extend the mediawiki software in the following way:
> 1. it should knows "groups"
> 2. allow users to store an arbitrary number of groups with their profile
> 3. allow to select one of the "group"s joined to an edit when saving
> 4. add a checkbox "COI" to an edit, meaning "potential conflict of interest"
> 5. display and filter edits marked with COI in a different color in history
> views
> 6. display and filter edits done for a group in a different color in
> history views
> 7. allow members of a group to receive notifications done on the group page,
>or when a group is mentioned in an edit/comment/talk page.
> 
> reason:
> currently it is quite cumbersome to participate as an organisation. it is
> quite cumbersome for people as well to detect COI edits. the most prominent
> examples are employees of the wikimedia foundation, and GLAMs. users tend
> to create multiple accounts, and try to create "company accounts". the main
> reason for this behaviour are (examples, but of course valid general):
> * have a feedback page / notification page for the swiss federal archive
> for other users
> * make clear that an edit is done private or as wmf employee
> 
> this then would allow the community to create new policies, e.g. the german
> community might cease using company accounts, and switch over to this
> system. this proposal is purely technical. current policies can still be
> applied if people do not need something else, e.g. wmf employees may
> continue to use "sue gardner (wmf)" accounts.
> 
> what you think?
> 
> best regards,
> rupert
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[Wikimedia-l] RFC: UploadWizard — scale to sister projects

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Hi all,

Apologies for cross-posting; please read and share thoughts:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/UploadWizard:_scale_to_sister_projects

Gryllida

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] online survey invitation

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> zhuangziyun Mon, 10 Feb 2014 08:24:14
> Link:  http://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/1538439/Wikipedia-Survey-Personality
it is not mobile friendly
> I need about 200 respondents
a rather small sample, hopefully you get much more!

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome 3 employees of Wikimedia Norway

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Hei

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

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On Sat, 11 Jan 2014, at 6:21, Ryan Kaldari wrote:
> These are two reason we don't have Thanks for anonymous editors:
> ...
> 2. Multiple editors often share the same IP address

They already share talk page and contribs. I don't see notifications being a 
problem: each of them *knows* that the IP is shared, and has registration 
instructions readily available if such situation is a problem.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Relationship between Wikimedia and oDesk

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Thought paid editing is prohibited. It could be nice to find ways to enforce 
that.

On Wed, 8 Jan 2014, at 21:50, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> Hoi,
> Odesk is the way the WMF pays people who do not live in the USA. What is
> expected of a contractor or employee is to register the time worked for the
> WMF and the contractor is paid through Odesk. This has all kinds of legal
> reasons.
> 
> When an employee / contractor wants to use Odesk in addition to work done
> for the WMF, they can as long as the contract with WMF does not require
> exclusivity. Typically people working through Odesk work in the area of
> software development.
> Thanks,
>  Gerard
> 
> 
> On 8 January 2014 09:04, Fæ  wrote:
> 
> > I have not used it but would like to know more. If WMF
> > employees/contractors are free to sell their services as paid
> > Wikipedia editors on oDesk, I think that a how-to-sell-your-services
> > guide would be helpful so that active unpaid volunteers who are not
> > employees know how to go get some money from their hobby.
> >
> > To date, I have never be paid for my volunteer work, neither have I
> > been an employee of the WMF or a Chapter, but my activities as an
> > active batch uploader and bot-writer for Commons might be fungible and
> > if so, I would like to sell my services ethically and openly.
> >
> > Fae
> >
> > On 8 January 2014 07:30, MZMcBride  wrote:
> > > Hi.
> > >
> > > Can anyone explain the relationship between Wikimedia and oDesk?
> > >
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/oDesk
> > >
> > > As I understand it, the Wikimedia Foundation uses oDesk with contractors
> > > to track their hours. (Right?)
> > >
> > > But it also appears to be a job board of some kind. It seems like a
> > hybrid
> > > of LinkedIn and Craigslist, though I haven't looked carefully and I'm
> > > still lightly poking around. It seems like the kind of place where you
> > can
> > > post Wikipedia paid editing services. If this is part of oDesk, does
> > > anyone know roughly how many people offer or buy these services?
> > >
> > > Regarding paid editing, Jimmy reiterated his stance on his talk page
> > > saying "I very very strongly condemn such editing, and this is no
> > > exception" and expressing his "usual principled objections to such
> > > things in the strongest possible terms."
> > >
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Permalink/589723131
> > >
> > > I think the underlying issue deserves a discussion, apart from particular
> > > examples.
> > >
> > > MZMcBride
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] input.wikimedia.org?

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On Fri, 22 Nov 2013, at 20:07, Erik Moeller wrote:
> I should also note that input.mozilla.org inspired MoodBar/the
> Feedback Dashboard extension (we actually met with the PM of the
> project several times before kicking off work on MoodBar/Feedback
> Dashboard), which can be used to collect feedback from users. We used
> it for collecting new user feedback on enwiki for some time, as well
> as enabling experienced users to respond to such feedback. You can
> still see it in use on nlwiki:
> 
> https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciaal:DashboardTerugkoppeling

This looks nice but it is per-wiki. I would perhaps look for -- in addition, 
not to replace -- a more features-centric system, e.g. "feedback from all 
languages of all wikis". When talking to a contributor today, I realised that 
he thinks his feedback about Flow wasn't acknowledged. Likely he sent it to 
wrong place due to lack of a standard centralized system.

 Gryllida

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Closure of Community Logo Consultation

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Thanks!

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Which Wikipedias have had large scale bot creation of articles this year?

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On Tue, 26 Nov 2013, at 8:50, Steven Walling wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> My team is doing some background research in to Wikipedia article creation
> right now.[1] One question I'd like answer is which Wikipedias are
> currently (i.e. this year) running bots to create many articles.

Hopefully your research does not conclude this is a good idea; I had been 
contacted to create such bots multiple times in the past. I had declined such 
queries, as the need in automating this means inefficiency in manual content 
creation. Such inefficiency should be addressed directly instead, in the wiki 
software.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] input.wikimedia.org?

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On Fri, 22 Nov 2013, at 19:18, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
> 2. We'll have to see whether there are volunteers who are willing to track
> it and reply to the queries.

As far as I am aware there is no responsibility for WMF staff or volunteers to 
reply; they may if they want to, but that's not required.
 
> 3. There is a similar - though not identical - tool in the MediaWiki
> universe - ArticleFeedback. It's acceptance is quite slow.

That's only about articles. "Hi, I read this, you have my feedback". The input 
tool could be more wide, including issues contributors have with the atmosphere 
and software.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] : WMF resolution on neutral point of view

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On Sat, 5 Oct 2013, at 18:47, Fred Bauder wrote:
> I've been thinking about this. Wikipedia is a compilation of information
> from sources that are generally considered reliable. The trouble is that
> the information in those sources varies. Rather than deciding ourselves,
> after all most of us are amateurs, what the truth is, we present all the
> views in reliable sources without trying to decide which is right or even
> better, although there may be sourced information which does do that
> which can be included.
> 
> Fred

This is simply false. If a third source says that one of two reliable sources 
is wrong or simply worse, the third source is not ignored.
 

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia France] Welcome to Nathalie, our new ED

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Bienvenue

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