[Wikimedia-l] Re: 23 March: Invitation to Open Community Call on ChatGPT, generative AI, and Wikimedia
Hi, On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 1:28 PM Erik Moeller wrote: > One core principle in open source licenses is that you are not > required to agree to the license in order to download or run copies. > The GPL makes this explicit: "You are not required to accept this > License in order to receive or run a copy of the Program." This is > really important. I can download and run every bit of open source > software in existence without ever agreeing to a single license. > > Downloading a thing you make available doesn't give me the right to > distribute it -- copyright law itself is sufficient to limit that. If > you want to impose _additional restrictions_ on a person for stuff > they download from you, that actually requires proactive agreement > from the user to those restrictions at the time they download the > thing. > I’m not saying this is wrong in all jurisdictions, but it is definitely not correct in at least some of them… Specifically, per the Czech copyright law, an act of downloading some copyrighted work is restricted by copyright, as it is (obviously?) copying (“reproduction”) of the work, which is (obviously?) covered by copyright. There is an exception by which you are specifically allowed to copy some copyrighted works “for personal needs by a natural person without seeking to achieve direct or indirect economic benefit” but this exception does not apply to computer programs and electronic databases. Downloading computer programs and electronic databases (and downloading for purposes outside the listed exception) requires an express consent of the copyright holder, i.e. a license. In other words, you _cannot_ download a GPL program without agreeing to the GPL (which, as you wrote, allows that to anyone without further conditions, so that’s not a problem as far as downloading and running the program goes). -- [[cs:User:Mormegil | Petr Kadlec]] ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/RRALSGVTM6IGKJPAMDFFT7MSJ7ECSHBS/ To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikimedia-l] Re: changing default namespace for Special:Newpages
Hi, On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 6:26 AM wrote: > I would like to set another namespace default for Special:Newpages. I my > case i would set it to 'all'. Is it possible to do that without changing > mediawiki code? > No, there does not seem to be a server-side option to modify the default in the code, see https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/mediawiki/core/+/master/includes/specials/SpecialNewpages.php#301 However, you can preset the dropdown using a query, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Newpages?namespace=all HTH, -- [[ cs:User:Mormegil | Petr Kadlec ]] ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/PRSGW7ZVO7RZ746F7FUJX3KDQLIIQPAB/ To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Wikimedia-movement apolitical?
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:00 AM Bill Takatoshi wrote: > And again, I doubt even 5% of the long term editor base is opposed to > campaign finance reform I doubt even 5% of the long term editor base has any opinion on this “campaign finance reform” (or, for the most part, know what that is). I guess it has something to do with the political parties in the United States? Sorry, I’m not interested in that very much. -- [[ cs:User:Mormegil | Petr Kadlec ]] ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Tool from Community Tech: Who Wrote That?
On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 11:05 AM Diane Ranville wrote: > This is great. But it looks like it's only available on EN:WP? > As the extension provides just a way to display the data provided by the WikiWho service [1], which supports just five sites (enwiki, dewiki, euwiki, trwiki, eswiki), this extension supports only those sites as well. Pity. -- [[ cs:User:Mormegil | Petr Kadlec ]] [1]: https://api.wikiwho.net/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] A fundraising banner we'd like to try in a short test
Hi, On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 11:36 PM, Samuel Patton <spat...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > - Petr Kadlec, this work-in-progress banner is using some copy written >in English, as well as a couple translation templates; the final version >will all be hardcoded English. However, your bug sounds strange - could > you >try opening the link in an incognito browser and, if you're still > getting a >problem, send me a screenshot? > In an incognito browser, the banner shows in English. If I log in in an incognito window and open the banner afterwards, it opens in a mixture of English and Slovak, the text is in English but _some_ of the UI elements are in Slovak, e.g. “Just Once”, but “Vyberte spôsob platby”; or “The Wikimedia Foundation is a nonprofit, tax-exempt organization. Mesačné platby budú pripisované na účet nadácie Wikimedia Foundation dovtedy, kým nepožiadate o ich zastavenie.” (As I said, I have Czech as the UI language, and Slovak is a fallback language for Czech, so there is _some_ method in it, I guess.) -- [[:cs:User:Mormegil | Petr Kadlec]] ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] A fundraising banner we'd like to try in a short test
Hi, On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 11:12 PM, Samuel Patton <spat...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > If you have thoughts on this design, please share them here. There will be > more opportunities for you to weigh in if this banner variant looks > promising enough to keep testing. > A slightly different aspect: Why does the banner show in Slovak for me (English Wikipedia with English as UI language, Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.7,cs;q=0.3) and where do the texts/translations come from? I tried to find them on TranslateWiki but failed. They do not seem to be at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/diffusion/EDOI/browse/master/gateway_common/i18n/interface/en.json either. Thanks, -- [[cs:User:Mormegil | Petr Kadlec]] ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] election for 2 seats on WMF board of trustees ends May 7...
Hi, On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Chris Keating <chriskeatingw...@gmail.com> wrote: > Those whose intentions I don't know at all include Hong Kong, Hungary, > Czech Republic, India, Macedonia, and Macau. At least one of those appears > to be completely inactive. > AFAIAA, WMCZ Board has already decided their vote, I am not sure if they have submitted the vote already, are planning to do so soon, have forgotten it, something has malfunctioned, … CCing Vojtěch to check up on that. -- [[cs:User:Mormegil | Petr Kadlec]] ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] AWB & Ubuntu: Can really someone help?
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Ilario Valdelli <valde...@gmail.com> wrote: > AWB is made in C#. > > C# runs in .NET. > > .NET is like a virtual machine to abstract the layer of the operating > system. > > .NET runs in Windows doesn't run in Linux based OS. > Not really. Apart from Mono, we have .NET Core <https://dotnet.github.io/> now. (However, I’m not saying AWB will run under either of those options or even that it would be easy to make it work there.) -- [[cs:User:Mormegil | Petr Kadlec]] ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote: > When Wikipedia is a black box, not communicating about with the outside > world, at some stage the situation becomes toxic. At this moment there are > already those at Wikidata that argue not to bother about Wikipedia quality > because in their view, Wikipedians do not care about its own quality. > Right. When some users blindly dump random data to Wikidata, not communicating about with the outside world, at some stage the situation becomes toxic. At this moment there are already those at Wikipedia that argue not to bother about Wikidata quality because in their view, Wikidatans do not care about its own quality. For instance, take a look at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:GerardM https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:GerardM/Archive_1 Erm -- [[cs:User:Mormegil | Petr Kadlec]] ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Does Foundation have 3rd party standing against Harald Bischoff?
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:05 PM, Martin Kraft wikipe...@martinkraft.com wrote: Am 26.07.2015 um 19:29 schrieb James Salsman: If Harald Bischoff has defrauded Commons reusers by requiring stricter attribution than the community requires, does the Foundation have standing in Germany to require him to return the money to his victims in proportion to the extent that their attribution was improper? Sorry guys but if I read suggestions like this, I seriously ask myself, if you've ever read the legal code of CC-BY-SA[1] or the the copyright/Urheberrecht it is based on?! Why? Because this is legal base of HaraldBischoffs Abmahnung. So whoever wants to sue him for sueing somebody, should at least have some idea of what legal offence he should be sued for. And from the legal point of view, it makes a big difference wether the attribution is on a website that is operated by the same institution (like Wikipedia and Commons) or on a third party website. The latter case definetly is no proper CC-attribution. Really? Neither the word instititution nor third party [website] appear in the text of the CC license, so on what exactly do you base this very specific distinction just so narrowly fitting our behavior (no image attribution within articles, only on the image description page reachable upon clicking on the image), while not fitting anyone else doing exactly the same? The license requires only that the credit be implemented in any reasonable manner. [Also note that the _text_ of our projects, while also licensed under CC-BY-SA, is licensed in way that explicitly states that a sufficient attribution is [t]hrough hyperlink (where possible) or URL to the page or pages that you are re-using (since each page has a history page that lists all authors and editors).] And even under this strict reading of the license, the original post refers to a blogger who used a foto, with backlink to commons, and attributing in mouseover, i.e. attributing _on the same webpage_ (together with linking to the image source with full credit and license information), even though not visibly without pointing the mouse on the photo. -- [[cs:User:Mormegil | Petr Kadlec]] ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thousands of images on Wikipedia and Commons in danger, action needed
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote: Under this new law, would images already uploaded to Commons under FOP actually have to be deleted? Surely the new law wouldn't apply retrospectively, but would just affect future uploads of photos? Retroactively as in “you used this photograph three years ago, so pay us”? Obviously not. But “if you want to use this photograph you took three years ago in a book you are publishing next month, you have to pay us”? That is not retroactivity, that’s just not having a grandfather clause. (Which means continued public availability of these photographs on Commons without permission from the copyright holders author would fall under the new law.) -- Petr Kadlec / Mormegil ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Spam] Re: Become a Digital object identifier (DOI) registarnt
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: The oldid. At the moment, I trust our long-term viability more than a 2014 web-archiving startup, even one with praiseworthy names attached ;-) Possibly an obvious remark: an oldid-based permalink gets you an old version of the source text of the specific page, but does not give you the original visible _result_: The page is reparsed and displayed using the _current_ version of all used templates, images, data from Wikidata etc. We do not store the complete state anywhere, so perma.cc does provide extra value here. -- [[cs:User:Mormegil | Petr Kadlec]] ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Compare person data
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: Of course, if Infoboxes/Persondata on these Wikipedias were to use some Lua magic, biographies with e.g. mismatching birthdates could automatically be added to a maintenance category... We already do that for various infoboxes using Wikidata on cswiki. See categories under https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategorie:%C3%9Adr%C5%BEba:Wikidata – e.g. https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategorie:%C3%9Adr%C5%BEba:OSM_relace_r%C5%AFzn%C3%A1_od_Wikidat lists articles linking to OpenStreetMap with a different OSM relation ID than listed in Wikidata. -- [[cs:User:Mormegil | Petr Kadlec]] ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 7:00 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: From the technical side, supporting one-click (i.e., easy to use) file moves between wikis would be enormously helpful here. This would allow transferring files to Commons or from Commons without much pain, which should reduce a lot of friction. As David notes, we could set up additional file repositories for use in Wikimedia wikis, but it requires solving the hosting issues mentioned above. This. Creating a completely new project when all what people want is an ability to easily reuse an image they saw on another project (i.e. on enwiki) means creating thousand new problems instead of solving one. (You could devise a bit more sophisticated solutions instead of file copying, e.g. direct cross-project image use like “[[en:File:Example.jpg]]” or whatever, but they create other issues to solve; one-click cross-project file upload could be easily implemented right now.) -- [[cs:User:Mormegil | Petr Kadlec]] ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Radiological images
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 4:02 AM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: IANAL, but my interpretation would be that X-rays are not copyrightable, since they are not creative works, period. Note that e.g. in the Czech Republic, “[a] photograph or a work produced by a process similar to photography” has lower threshold on originality/creativity; it is protected “if it is original in the sense that it is the author’s own intellectual creation” (while a work of another types needs to be “a unique outcome of the creative activity of the author”). And this is language from the European Copyright Duration Directive (Article 6: “Photographs which are original in the sense that they are the author's own intellectual creation shall be protected in accordance with Article 1. No other criteria shall be applied to determine their eligibility for protection.”), so other EU countries probably have similar legal constructions. It might be debatable whether medical X-ray images are, in fact, “photographs or works produced by a process similar to photography” (while “traditional” X-ray images probably are, I would argue CT pictures are not), and whether they are “the author’s own intellectual creation” at all. -- [[cs:User:Mormegil | Petr Kadlec]] ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics
On 24 July 2012 10:35, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: 2012/7/24 ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) vp2...@gmail.com: May be we should take such anomalies to public forums! I'm not actually sure that it's an anomaly. As I said, I don't follow sports and I only noticed such a thing now for the first time, but I don't find it extremely surprising. Exactly. Actually, there are much greater “anomalies” around Olympics… See e.g. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/2012/07/21/london-olympics-lord-coe-s-astonishing-sponsors-outburst-86908-23910798/ It is probably interesting to point out we have https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:NCR stating basically we ignore such “house rules” (or, in other words: if anyone without an accreditation dares to upload his photos under a free license, we will happily keep the images on Commons, whatever was written on the tickets, with any possible risks on the uploader, of course). -- [[cs:User:Mormegil | Petr Kadlec]] ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
