Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Community Tech: New Format for 2020 Wishlist Survey

2019-10-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, You are entitled to an opinion and you may voice it and so am I. The Wikimedia Foundation is not a democracy and neither is our movement. This was done with deliberation. At best our movement is represented in the board and through its chapters. In essence the main function of the WMF is to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Community Tech: New Format for 2020 Wishlist Survey

2019-10-07 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Gerard, you assume that "my wikipedia" is the only project I participate in? Let me assure you this is not the case. On the contrary, the last few years I mostly contributed to Wikidata and recently - a massive Wiktionary lexeme import, and very little to Wikipedia. That said, I think removing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Community Tech: New Format for 2020 Wishlist Survey

2019-10-07 Thread Dan Garry (Deskana)
On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 at 05:50, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > The disappointing you show and the grotesque conclusions are imho based > in a sense of entitlement. I don't think calling Yuri's conclusions grotesque or saying he is entitled are particularly productive comments. Let's keep this list

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Community Tech: New Format for 2020 Wishlist Survey

2019-10-06 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
The wishlist of course accepts wishes in any language, but in order to make it to the accepted zone a wish must have several dozens supporters, which is only realistically possible for English language wishes. (Supports can also be in any language). Cheers Yaroslav On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 10:51

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Community Tech: New Format for 2020 Wishlist Survey

2019-10-06 Thread Chris Keating
> > > the wishlist only reflects > > the needs and perceptions of highly active contributors [at present I > think > > it only accepts submissions in English ,which is another obstacle, but > that > > could be addressed]. > > The wishlist has explicitly accepted wishes in any language. Thanks

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Community Tech: New Format for 2020 Wishlist Survey

2019-10-05 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The disappointing you show and the grotesque conclusions are imho based in a sense of entitlement. You had it your way for so long and they are now robbing you from your cookies... It is easy to "forget" that a program where a majority decides what is on a "community wish list" favours the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Community Tech: New Format for 2020 Wishlist Survey

2019-10-05 Thread Johan Jönsson
Den lör 5 okt. 2019 kl 22:46 skrev Chris Keating : > the wishlist only reflects > the needs and perceptions of highly active contributors [at present I think > it only accepts submissions in English ,which is another obstacle, but that > could be addressed]. The wishlist has explicitly accepted

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Community Tech: New Format for 2020 Wishlist Survey

2019-10-05 Thread Chris Keating
Hi Yuri, I just wanted to respond to this as I think there are two levels of issue here, and on one level I agree and on another I disagree! On the more immediate level about "ok, there's a technical wishlist, what should we do with it" - I think it's a reasonable decision for the WMF to opt to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Community Tech: New Format for 2020 Wishlist Survey

2019-10-04 Thread Benjamin Ikuta
Thank you for writing this; I completely agree. I've long thought the WMF should put more resources into community wishes, not less. I do hope this will be reconsidered. Perhaps there could be more wishes granted to non-Wikimedia projects, while maintaining the same number of wishes for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Community Tech: New Format for 2020 Wishlist Survey

2019-10-04 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Ilana, restricting wishlist to non-Wikipedia this year is a very sad news. For many years, wishlist survey was the best way for the community to talk back to the foundation, and to try to influence its direction. WMF mostly ignored these wishes, yet it was still a place to express, discuss,