Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ask Amazon, Apple, Google, and Microsoft to state wiki article source dates in voice?

2018-03-20 Thread The Cunctator 
Large corporations should not be allowed to violate copyleft. If they are
creating derivative products from Wikipedia -- which they are -- those
derivative products should be released under CC-BY-SA.

Google Knowledge Graph seems to be somewhat close, in that there is an API
https://developers.google.com/knowledge-graph/ - but it is not CC-BY-SA.

Wikipedia's license is *not* CC-BY. It is CC-BY-SA.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:55 AM, James Salsman  wrote:

> > That's a completely different and unrelated issue to the thread YOU
> stated.
>
> The issues share the commonalities of user friendliness/design and a
> Foundation decision on the question of presentation vs. editor
> attraction and retention.
>
> > Please stick to the topic at hand or start a new thread.
>
> Suppose we offer Cook, Bezos, Page, and Nadella the right to omit the
> date in return for $50 million each, half to the Endowment and half to
> the Foundation?
>
> >> > I don't think it's particularly user/design friendly
> >>
> >> How does the Foundation choose between presentation advantages for
> >> commercial users, and advantages for attracting and retaining editors?
> >>
> >> Is the request to try the word "edit" instead of a pencil icon on
> >> mobile a good example of the Foundation's general disposition of such
> >> questions?
> >>
> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2017_Community_Wishlist_
> >> Survey/Archive/Replace_or_supplement_mobile_pencil_icon_
> >> with_%22edit%22_in_square_brackets_and_A/B_test_editing_uptake
> >>
> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Heatherawalls#
> >> Design-blocked_technical_community_wish
> >>
> >> > On Wed, 7 Mar 2018, 16:22 James Salsman,  wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I wanted to share this because it's pertinent to issues with large
> >> >> companies using our information without complying with the license
> >> >> terms:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> https://www.ted.com/talks/scott_galloway_how_amazon_
> >> apple_facebook_and_google_manipulate_our_emotions
> >> >>
> >> >> One discussions I've had with both Erik Moeller online and Katherine
> >> >> Maher in person is about whether voice browsers should share the date
> >> >> of CC-BY wiki articles when their speech synthesis devices quote from
> >> >> them.
> >> >>
> >> >> Are there any reasons that would be bad? It would help encourage new
> >> >> editors by raising awareness of the ultimate source of "AI" answers.
> >> >>
> >> >> Best regards,
> >> >> Jim
> >> >>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ask Amazon, Apple, Google, and Microsoft to state wiki article source dates in voice?

2018-03-08 Thread James Salsman 
> That's a completely different and unrelated issue to the thread YOU stated.

The issues share the commonalities of user friendliness/design and a
Foundation decision on the question of presentation vs. editor
attraction and retention.

> Please stick to the topic at hand or start a new thread.

Suppose we offer Cook, Bezos, Page, and Nadella the right to omit the
date in return for $50 million each, half to the Endowment and half to
the Foundation?

>> > I don't think it's particularly user/design friendly
>>
>> How does the Foundation choose between presentation advantages for
>> commercial users, and advantages for attracting and retaining editors?
>>
>> Is the request to try the word "edit" instead of a pencil icon on
>> mobile a good example of the Foundation's general disposition of such
>> questions?
>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2017_Community_Wishlist_
>> Survey/Archive/Replace_or_supplement_mobile_pencil_icon_
>> with_%22edit%22_in_square_brackets_and_A/B_test_editing_uptake
>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Heatherawalls#
>> Design-blocked_technical_community_wish
>>
>> > On Wed, 7 Mar 2018, 16:22 James Salsman,  wrote:
>> >
>> >> I wanted to share this because it's pertinent to issues with large
>> >> companies using our information without complying with the license
>> >> terms:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> https://www.ted.com/talks/scott_galloway_how_amazon_
>> apple_facebook_and_google_manipulate_our_emotions
>> >>
>> >> One discussions I've had with both Erik Moeller online and Katherine
>> >> Maher in person is about whether voice browsers should share the date
>> >> of CC-BY wiki articles when their speech synthesis devices quote from
>> >> them.
>> >>
>> >> Are there any reasons that would be bad? It would help encourage new
>> >> editors by raising awareness of the ultimate source of "AI" answers.
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >> Jim
>> >>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ask Amazon, Apple, Google, and Microsoft to state wiki article source dates in voice?

2018-03-08 Thread Joseph Seddon 
That's a completely different and unrelated issue to the thread YOU stated.
Whilst I'm impressed at your willingness to hijack your own thread to refer
to a completely unrelated topic after only one response, it is unsurprising
and I'm personally bored of it.

Please stick to the topic at hand or start a new thread.

Regards
Seddon

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 2:56 PM, James Salsman  wrote:

> > I don't think it's particularly user/design friendly
>
> How does the Foundation choose between presentation advantages for
> commercial users, and advantages for attracting and retaining editors?
>
> Is the request to try the word "edit" instead of a pencil icon on
> mobile a good example of the Foundation's general disposition of such
> questions?
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2017_Community_Wishlist_
> Survey/Archive/Replace_or_supplement_mobile_pencil_icon_
> with_%22edit%22_in_square_brackets_and_A/B_test_editing_uptake
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Heatherawalls#
> Design-blocked_technical_community_wish
>
> > On Wed, 7 Mar 2018, 16:22 James Salsman,  wrote:
> >
> >> I wanted to share this because it's pertinent to issues with large
> >> companies using our information without complying with the license
> >> terms:
> >>
> >>
> >> https://www.ted.com/talks/scott_galloway_how_amazon_
> apple_facebook_and_google_manipulate_our_emotions
> >>
> >> One discussions I've had with both Erik Moeller online and Katherine
> >> Maher in person is about whether voice browsers should share the date
> >> of CC-BY wiki articles when their speech synthesis devices quote from
> >> them.
> >>
> >> Are there any reasons that would be bad? It would help encourage new
> >> editors by raising awareness of the ultimate source of "AI" answers.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Jim
> >>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ask Amazon, Apple, Google, and Microsoft to state wiki article source dates in voice?

2018-03-08 Thread James Salsman 
> I don't think it's particularly user/design friendly

How does the Foundation choose between presentation advantages for
commercial users, and advantages for attracting and retaining editors?

Is the request to try the word "edit" instead of a pencil icon on
mobile a good example of the Foundation's general disposition of such
questions?

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2017_Community_Wishlist_Survey/Archive/Replace_or_supplement_mobile_pencil_icon_with_%22edit%22_in_square_brackets_and_A/B_test_editing_uptake

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Heatherawalls#Design-blocked_technical_community_wish

> On Wed, 7 Mar 2018, 16:22 James Salsman,  wrote:
>
>> I wanted to share this because it's pertinent to issues with large
>> companies using our information without complying with the license
>> terms:
>>
>>
>> https://www.ted.com/talks/scott_galloway_how_amazon_apple_facebook_and_google_manipulate_our_emotions
>>
>> One discussions I've had with both Erik Moeller online and Katherine
>> Maher in person is about whether voice browsers should share the date
>> of CC-BY wiki articles when their speech synthesis devices quote from
>> them.
>>
>> Are there any reasons that would be bad? It would help encourage new
>> editors by raising awareness of the ultimate source of "AI" answers.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Jim
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ask Amazon, Apple, Google, and Microsoft to state wiki article source dates in voice?

2018-03-08 Thread Joseph Seddon 
I don't think it's particularly user/design friendly

Seddon

On Wed, 7 Mar 2018, 16:22 James Salsman,  wrote:

> I wanted to share this because it's pertinent to issues with large
> companies using our information without complying with the license
> terms:
>
>
> https://www.ted.com/talks/scott_galloway_how_amazon_apple_facebook_and_google_manipulate_our_emotions
>
> One discussions I've had with both Erik Moeller online and Katherine
> Maher in person is about whether voice browsers should share the date
> of CC-BY wiki articles when their speech synthesis devices quote from
> them.
>
> Are there any reasons that would be bad? It would help encourage new
> editors by raising awareness of the ultimate source of "AI" answers.
>
> Best regards,
> Jim
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Ask Amazon, Apple, Google, and Microsoft to state wiki article source dates in voice?

2018-03-07 Thread James Salsman 
I wanted to share this because it's pertinent to issues with large
companies using our information without complying with the license
terms:

https://www.ted.com/talks/scott_galloway_how_amazon_apple_facebook_and_google_manipulate_our_emotions

One discussions I've had with both Erik Moeller online and Katherine
Maher in person is about whether voice browsers should share the date
of CC-BY wiki articles when their speech synthesis devices quote from
them.

Are there any reasons that would be bad? It would help encourage new
editors by raising awareness of the ultimate source of "AI" answers.

Best regards,
Jim

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