Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-11-16 Thread MZMcBride
Martin Rulsch wrote: In German Nov 2, 24:00 equals Nov 3, 0:00. For further information have a look at Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-hour_clock#Confusion_at_noon_and_midnight https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24-hour_clock#Midnight_00:00_and_24:00 Thanks for this. DaB. announced his

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-11-16 Thread Martin Rulsch
According to the road map, the Toolserver will not be shut down before June 30, 2014. Cheers Martin 2013/11/16 MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com Martin Rulsch wrote: In German Nov 2, 24:00 equals Nov 3, 0:00. For further information have a look at Wikipedia:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-31 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Oct 31, 2013 2:11 AM, Steve Zhang cro0...@gmail.com wrote: I have to say, I'm amazed such a long discussion has occured over a question about the time for an office hours sessions. I'm amazed nobody has brought up leap seconds yet, which make 23:59:59 roll over to 23:59:60 and would steal

[Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Maggie Dennis
Hi. :) I wanted to let you know that James Forrester is holding a second set of office hours to discuss VisualEditor. These are scheduled for 1700 UTC on 2 November and UTC on 3 November. For local time conversions, see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Office_hours and click on the starting

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Risker
Hi Maggie - Just to clarify, since UTC is a confusing time for most of us...is that the minute after 2359 UTC on November 2 (i.e., 7 hours after the first session), or is it the minute after 2359 UTC on November 3? I've seen it used both ways so I just want to be clear. Risker On 30

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 10/30/2013 11:20 AM, Risker wrote: Just to clarify, since UTC is a confusing time for most of us {{cn}} I've heard that said very often (that 00:00 is somehow confusing to many people), but I've yet to actually see someone being actually confused by it. There is exactly one minute

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.orgwrote: On 10/30/2013 11:20 AM, Risker wrote: Just to clarify, since UTC is a confusing time for most of us {{cn}} I've heard that said very often (that 00:00 is somehow confusing to many people), but I've yet to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Newyorkbrad
It's simple enough to use 0001 instead of . Newyorkbrad On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 10/30/2013 11:20 AM, Risker wrote: Just to clarify, since UTC is a confusing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 10/30/2013 11:45 AM, Newyorkbrad wrote: It's simple enough to use 0001 instead of . It is, but if there /are/ in fact a large number of people being confused by it, then treating 00:00 as though it had special status by avoiding it will only *add* to that confusion rather than clarify the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Newyorkbrad
In an arbitration committee election a couple of years ago, I definitely recall confusion about whether a deadline of on a given date meant that the deadline expired as of the beginning of that date or the end of that date. Time designations are human conventions, not laws of nature, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Martin Rulsch
In German Nov 2, 24:00 equals Nov 3, 0:00. For further information have a look at Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-hour_clock#Confusion_at_noon_and_midnight https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24-hour_clock#Midnight_00:00_and_24:00 Cheers Martin 2013/10/30 Newyorkbrad newyorkb...@gmail.com

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Michael Snow
On 10/30/2013 8:39 AM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: On 10/30/2013 11:20 AM, Risker wrote: Just to clarify, since UTC is a confusing time for most of us {{cn}} I've heard that said very often (that 00:00 is somehow confusing to many people), but I've yet to actually see someone being actually

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Newyorkbrad
Are you saying that our extensive discussion of the meaning of counts for naught? Newyorkbrad On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.comwrote: On 10/30/2013 8:39 AM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: On 10/30/2013 11:20 AM, Risker wrote: Just to clarify, since

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Risker
On 30 October 2013 11:47, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 10/30/2013 11:45 AM, Newyorkbrad wrote: It's simple enough to use 0001 instead of . It is, but if there /are/ in fact a large number of people being confused by it, then treating 00:00 as though it had special status

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Maggie Dennis
It confuses me, too, Risker. :) I'm terrified of time conversions, so I rely on the link they give us on the office hours page itself. :D It is 7 hours after the first session. The first time I listed a session at that time, I tried for 2400, but they couldn't process that one. I myself would

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Katherine Casey
You know, I didn't believe them when they said Wikimedians could fight about *anything*...and then I read this thread. On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Newyorkbrad newyorkb...@gmail.com wrote: Are you saying that our extensive discussion of the meaning of counts for naught?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 10/30/2013 11:51 AM, Newyorkbrad wrote: Time designations are human conventions, not laws of nature, and should be as clearly expressed as possible. Anyone who disagrees with me is free to state his or her opinion until today. That deadline has come and gone, as you well know. :-)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Maggie Dennis
Good one, Brad. :) Katherine, I think you meant about *nothing*. ;) Maggie On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Katherine Casey fluffernutter.w...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I didn't believe them when they said Wikimedians could fight about *anything*...and then I read this thread. On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Michael Snow
On 10/30/2013 8:58 AM, Newyorkbrad wrote: On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.comwrote: On 10/30/2013 8:39 AM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: On 10/30/2013 11:20 AM, Risker wrote: Just to clarify, since UTC is a confusing time for most of us {{cn}} I've heard

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Marco Chiesa
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: Yes, time designation are human conventions, but there is no more ambiguity about where lies there than there is about where 7 lies amongst the integers. If there are people who are confused and think that it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Risker
On 30 October 2013 12:14, Marco Chiesa chiesa.ma...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: Yes, time designation are human conventions, but there is no more ambiguity about where lies there than there is about where 7 lies

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Risker wrote: Just to clarify, since UTC is a confusing time for most of us...is that the minute after 2359 UTC on November 2 (i.e., 7 hours after the first session), or is it the minute after 2359 UTC on November 3? I've seen it used both ways so I just want to be clear. Could you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Isarra Yos
On 30/10/13 16:32, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: * Risker wrote: Just to clarify, since UTC is a confusing time for most of us...is that the minute after 2359 UTC on November 2 (i.e., 7 hours after the first session), or is it the minute after 2359 UTC on November 3? I've seen it used both ways

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Everton Zanella Alvarenga
Has someone already started a book about wikidramas? One chapter called 00:00 would be a good one. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Maggie Dennis
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: On 30/10/13 16:32, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: * Risker wrote: Just to clarify, since UTC is a confusing time for most of us...is that the minute after 2359 UTC on November 2 (i.e., 7 hours after the first session),

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Risker
On 30 October 2013 12:32, Bjoern Hoehrmann derhoe...@gmx.net wrote: * Risker wrote: Just to clarify, since UTC is a confusing time for most of us...is that the minute after 2359 UTC on November 2 (i.e., 7 hours after the first session), or is it the minute after 2359 UTC on November 3?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Martin Rulsch
As far as I know, just in German and about German topics: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:10_Jahre_Wikipedia/Wikipedia-Buch https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alles_%C3%BCber_Wikipedia_und_die_Menschen_hinter_der_gr%C3%B6%C3%9Ften_Enzyklop%C3%A4die_der_Welt; for an English abstract see

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Tim Starling
On 31/10/13 02:51, Newyorkbrad wrote: In an arbitration committee election a couple of years ago, I definitely recall confusion about whether a deadline of on a given date meant that the deadline expired as of the beginning of that date or the end of that date. Voting periods in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Steve Zhang
I have to say, I'm amazed such a long discussion has occured over a question about the time for an office hours sessions. *Steven Zhang* *cro0...@gmail.com* On 31 October 2013 09:42, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 31/10/13 02:51, Newyorkbrad wrote: In an arbitration