Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please stick to the 30-post limit

[Vituzzu]

Il 01/02/2016 14:54, Fæ ha scritto:

A summary of the total number of posts from people going over the 30
post limit in the last 4 months, with one person having gone over 30
posts for 3 months running:

October: none
November: 39
December: 33, 35
January: 31, 32, 32


Then the trend is getting closer and closer to the 30 emails/month limit.

Vito

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please stick to the 30-post limit

[Fæ]

A summary of the total number of posts from people going over the 30
post limit in the last 4 months, with one person having gone over 30
posts for 3 months running:

October: none
November: 39
December: 33, 35
January: 31, 32, 32

The discussion about other ways of viewing posts, appears to have come
to a end without any realistic changes. Last month was lively, however
the increasing numbers of people going over the 30 post number shows
this is hard to keep an eye on when hot topics are around. It would be
great if the list moderators could privately email those at risk of
going over (say, when they hit 25 posts) and remind them that it helps
to encourage all viewpoints to be seen and read if "power posters"
could stick to the limit. Perhaps reminder emails could be automated
by bot, and so remain impersonal?

Link:
* https://stats.wikimedia.org/mail-lists/wikimedia-l.html

PS for transparency I posted 27 times in January, placing me as the
seventh highest last month, but I was helped by a prod from the list
mod, even though I was in the middle of the popular Geshuri
discussion.

Fae

On 31 December 2015 at 16:22, Ziko van Dijk  wrote:
> I very much agree with Fae on this.
> Certainly, some people will always post more than others, e.g. because they
> have a specific task in the movement. But often I wonder whether a post on
> this list was really necessary. For example, sometimes it makes sense not
> to react immediately to another post but wait some time for other reactions
> and then answer to all of them in one post. That also keeps the thread
> tidier for other people to follow the conversations.
> Kind regards
> Ziko
>
>
>
>
> Am Donnerstag, 31. Dezember 2015 schrieb Nathan :
>
>> The 30 post limit came about in a different era, when the list had problems
>> at a greater scale. I don't see any issues with post frequency recently
>> that should have received moderator response. You are referring to GerardM,
>> but the majority of his posts have been to a single thread. I can't speak
>> to whether that has interfered with that particular thread, but it
>> certainly hasn't presented any problems to the list as a whole.
>>
>> By the way, Erik Zachte keeps statistics:
>> https://stats.wikimedia.org/mail-lists/wikimedia-l.html
>>
>> Much easier than skimming through a list of posts and trying to count them
>> up.
-- 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please stick to the 30-post limit

[Ziko van Dijk]

I very much agree with Fae on this.
Certainly, some people will always post more than others, e.g. because they
have a specific task in the movement. But often I wonder whether a post on
this list was really necessary. For example, sometimes it makes sense not
to react immediately to another post but wait some time for other reactions
and then answer to all of them in one post. That also keeps the thread
tidier for other people to follow the conversations.
Kind regards
Ziko




Am Donnerstag, 31. Dezember 2015 schrieb Nathan :

> The 30 post limit came about in a different era, when the list had problems
> at a greater scale. I don't see any issues with post frequency recently
> that should have received moderator response. You are referring to GerardM,
> but the majority of his posts have been to a single thread. I can't speak
> to whether that has interfered with that particular thread, but it
> certainly hasn't presented any problems to the list as a whole.
>
> By the way, Erik Zachte keeps statistics:
> https://stats.wikimedia.org/mail-lists/wikimedia-l.html
>
> Much easier than skimming through a list of posts and trying to count them
> up.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please stick to the 30-post limit

[Nathan]

The 30 post limit came about in a different era, when the list had problems
at a greater scale. I don't see any issues with post frequency recently
that should have received moderator response. You are referring to GerardM,
but the majority of his posts have been to a single thread. I can't speak
to whether that has interfered with that particular thread, but it
certainly hasn't presented any problems to the list as a whole.

By the way, Erik Zachte keeps statistics:
https://stats.wikimedia.org/mail-lists/wikimedia-l.html

Much easier than skimming through a list of posts and trying to count them
up.
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[Wikimedia-l] Please stick to the 30-post limit

[Fæ]

The 30-post soft limit for this email is not being applied. I recall
in the past that individuals were warned and even put on moderation;
ensuring that no individual overwhelms this list with their one
viewpoint. I raised this with the list moderators on 4th December, but
have yet to receive a reply.

Anyone interested can check the figures for the last two months:
* November - one person posted 39 emails to the list
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2015-November/author.html
* December - the same person has posted 33 times so far
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2015-December/author.html

Can the list administrators please make a New Year resolution to start
warning all users exceeding the 30 post limit, and to apply long term
moderation if they persist in pushing their viewpoint aggressively
this way?

If anyone thinks the 30-post limit is an unreasonable expectation,
then they are free to test the waters with a proposal to make it 40...

Thanks,
Fae
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