Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski wrote: > While I appreciate the lengthy discussion about the scope of the resolution > and about the ways it can be implemented in on-wiki processes, I would like > to raise a different question. > > I note with some interest that Jimmy's vote

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales/Archive_151#Resolution:Media_about_living_people Hope this helps. Jee On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski wrote: > While I appreciate the lengthy discussion about the scope of the > resolution and about the ways it can be im

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

While I appreciate the lengthy discussion about the scope of the resolution and about the ways it can be implemented in on-wiki processes, I would like to raise a different question. I note with some interest that Jimmy's vote is not recorded at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

Well I was thinking of only tagging pictures that are controversial, but of course you could tag everything, I suppose. It would be simpler to tag categories, that way you have semi-automatic tagging of pictures of the top-tier (the Obama-tier and above) without having any problematic names in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

Hoi, I am really interested in how you think this will work out when Commons is going to use Wikidata. The planning is that in half a year the Wikidata team will start work on implementing something for Commons. It will include tagging. So for me a picture will be tagged and indicate who is in a pi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

Craig, Phoebe, and Yaroslav, those are all very good points. Until Google improves its image-recognition software, most photos appearing in google images are triggered by text in the image description. It should be easy to tag problematic image desriptions, especially when more people than the subj

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

On 15 December 2013 02:54, John Vandenberg wrote: > On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Craig Franklin > wrote: > > Hi Jane, > > > > I am concerned about the issue surrounding the comment "the real BLP > >> problems happen when heavyweight (in edit count terms) Wikipedia users > >> swing their weig

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

On 14.12.2013 21:28, phoebe ayers wrote: On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 8:54 AM, John Vandenberg wrote: Hi John, I think this is an interesting point, but I'm not entirely sure I follow don't we always worry about verifiability for images? We certainly try to ensure that images are real and c

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 8:54 AM, John Vandenberg wrote: > The 2009 resolution on biographies of living people was about > identifiable people, given they were the subject of a biography. This > new 'media about living people' resolution doesn't make any such > distinction for media, which I gues

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 7:55 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > Your logic here is broken. There are certainly times to have widely > advertised discussions, but doing so is not free: they often require > creating and deploying banners (with an associated increased risk of > banner blindness), related mailin

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Thanks Jee for those links. It strikes me as odd that on a Commons:Contact us page there is no link to any explanation about how it all works. In my (limited!) experience of helping BLP subjects, it has helped them enormously just to talk about how Wikipedia works. Sometimes they are certain that s

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And an application at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Contact_us/Problems#Suggested_change Jee On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Jeevan Jose wrote: > "Is there a discussion happening on Commons somewhere about the > implications of this resolution? - John Vandenberg" > > > http

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

"Is there a discussion happening on Commons somewhere about the implications of this resolution? - John Vandenberg" https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Resolution:Media_about_living_people Jee On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 10:24 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: > On Sat, Dec 14, 2013

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Craig Franklin wrote: > Hi Jane, > > I am concerned about the issue surrounding the comment "the real BLP >> problems happen when heavyweight (in edit count terms) Wikipedia users >> swing their weight around" >> > > I think the problem is that if you ask ten diffe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

On 14 December 2013 15:55, MZMcBride wrote: > Andy Mabbett wrote: >>until a widely-advertised consultation is held >>(advertised in the manner of the recent discussion on logos and >>branding), we wont know the views of the community at large, rather >>than those who have an axe to grind. > You

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

Andy Mabbett wrote: >Indeed there have. But until a widely-advertised consultation is held >(advertised in the manner of the recent discussion on logos and >branding), we wont know the views of the community at large, rather >than those who have an axe to grind. Your logic here is broken. There ar

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

Well I don't see any problem with starting off by taking a survey among OTRS users, or in trying to collect data to classify problems that are reported. Once we know what the "popular problems" are, can we better help stop the flow of unwanted trash-talking on BLP's. I think the "underbelly" that

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On 14 December 2013 00:30, phoebe ayers wrote: >> I didn't make a comment; I requested information: >> >> "Please also provide a link to the consultation you carried out >> with the community, before making this change. I seem to have >> missed it." >> >> Oddly, I seem to have misse

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

Hi Jane, I am concerned about the issue surrounding the comment "the real BLP > problems happen when heavyweight (in edit count terms) Wikipedia users > swing their weight around" > I think the problem is that if you ask ten different people about the reason why we have BLP problems, you'll get t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

Thanks for that link, Phoebe! I am concerned about the issue surrounding the comment "the real BLP problems happen when heavyweight (in edit count terms) Wikipedia users swing their weight around" Maybe such Wikipedians have a problem with the BLP person in real life, or is closely related to som

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: > On 12 December 2013 19:40, phoebe ayers wrote: > >> With a nod to Andy's comment, as a >> community I think we may want to review our progress in the last few >> years on the BLP issue, and have a broad community consultation about >> where w

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

On 12 December 2013 19:40, phoebe ayers wrote: > With a nod to Andy's comment, as a > community I think we may want to review our progress in the last few > years on the BLP issue, and have a broad community consultation about > where we are still falling short and ideas for going forward, given

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

On 12/12/13, 11:16 PM, David Gerard wrote: On 12 December 2013 12:25, Mark wrote: Between tendentious negative information and self-promoting positive information, I worry that the overall quality level of our biographies of living people ends up poor in a great many cases, especially cases ou

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 5:16 PM, David Gerard wrote: > On 12 December 2013 12:25, Mark wrote: > > > Undue or unsourced negative information about living people is one > aspect of > > that, and what most of the formal BLP-related policy, and the process > around > > things like OTRS, is intended

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

On 12 December 2013 12:25, Mark wrote: > Undue or unsourced negative information about living people is one aspect of > that, and what most of the formal BLP-related policy, and the process around > things like OTRS, is intended to address. The flipside is undue or unsourced > *positive* informat

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

On 12/12/13, 8:40 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: BLPs remain one of our big challenges, and will continue to be so as long as Wikipedia is popular. With a nod to Andy's comment, as a community I think we may want to review our progress in the last few years on the BLP issue, and have a broad community c

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Jane Darnell wrote: > Thanks for this, but even with the amendments it sounds pretty weak. > The closing text just shows how helpless we are in helping subjects > when their article is under the watchful eye of some Wikipedia editor > who feels that they "own" biog

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Lodewijk wrote: > (just for the record: I'm not particularly against this amendment, I > actually never assumed that files would be treated differently from texts > anyway in this kind of stuff. Just plain curiosity.) Neither did the board, which is why we passed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

Thanks Jee, I will try to keep my comments there 2013/12/12, Jeevan Jose : > "I would like to know where subjects can post their complaint besides on > the talk page, since putting complaints there is still a form of > publication and only serves to propagate the sensitive information that > subje

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"I would like to know where subjects can post their complaint besides on the talk page, since putting complaints there is still a form of publication and only serves to propagate the sensitive information that subjects want removed. - Jane Darnell" Yes; we are working on it. See https://commons.wi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

Fæ wrote: I hope this is a coincidence. How naive of you, Fæ: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=6705202#Personal_and_Moral_Rights.3F Tomasz ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lis

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

Thanks for the pointer. I'm glad to see it was a community request triggering this - not because of this specific amendment, but because it proofs that it matters what people write on those places :) (just for the record: I'm not particularly against this amendment, I actually never assumed that f

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

11/dic/2013 21:07 "Lodewijk" ha escrito: > > Hi Maria, thanks for sharing. To appreciate the resolution in its proper > > context, I was wondering if you could share if there was a specific trigger > > to this amendment? > I completely second the question. Cristian. Hi Lodewijk and Cristia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

I hope this is a coincidence. I have great difficulty believing that the WMF board of trustees passed a resolution imagining that it would appear to be a good thing that the *very first* action it is used for is to justify the deletion of an artwork of one of its own members. Whatever else is goin

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Lodewijk wrote: thanks for sharing. To appreciate the resolution in its proper context, I was wondering if you could share if there was a specific trigger to this amendment? How about https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=111671264&oldid=102286853 (as rumour has it)? Tom

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

Thanks for this, but even with the amendments it sounds pretty weak. The closing text just shows how helpless we are in helping subjects when their article is under the watchful eye of some Wikipedia editor who feels that they "own" biography articles they have been watching for years. Though I sup

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

On 11 December 2013 20:06, Lodewijk wrote: > Hi Maria, > > thanks for sharing. To appreciate the resolution in its proper context, I > was wondering if you could share if there was a specific trigger to this > amendment? Please also provide a link to the consultation you carried out with the comm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

Thank you, Maria for passing this on, and to the Board of Trustees for adding wording to the resolution that more clearly conveys that WMF projects are creating content and acting as a repository for a broad range of media that have the potential to cause harm to living people. Sydney Poore User:F

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

Il 11/dic/2013 21:07 "Lodewijk" ha scritto: > > Hi Maria, > > thanks for sharing. To appreciate the resolution in its proper context, I > was wondering if you could share if there was a specific trigger to this > amendment? I completely second the question. Cristian.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

Hi Maria, thanks for sharing. To appreciate the resolution in its proper context, I was wondering if you could share if there was a specific trigger to this amendment? Best, Lodewijk 2013/12/11 María Sefidari > Hi everyone, > > We'd like to draw your attention to our recent amendment of the 2

[Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

Hi everyone, We'd like to draw your attention to our recent amendment of the 2009 Biographies of Living People resolution. We have amended that resolution to refer to both text and media when considering articles or images of living people: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Media_