Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

Today, the outgoing Arbitration Committee of Russian Wikipedia finally decided that the decision to go on strike was too hasty, and the community consensus was not established. One of the organizers of the "poll" on the strike, as well as the admin who technically switched the access off, were

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I wonder if a few iconic Islamic related expressions could not also be included such as burning or threatening to burn a copy of the Koran? There would have to be scienter, knowing its significance, of course; a fact that was not present in a recent case in Pakistan where a developmentally handicap

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Free speech in the US is, I believe, generally considered to exclude both "fighting words" and "shouting fire in a crowded theatre". On 20/09/2012 04:56, Fred Bauder wrote: I think any laws should be couched in terms of damaging foreign relations or inciting to riot. I'm not sure they would be

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On 20 September 2012 04:56, Fred Bauder wrote: > I have never understood anyone who thinks that showing contempt for the > Prophet was a smart thing to do. Only great evil comes from it. Not great > spiritual trouble or lightning bolts from God; I'm not superstitious, but > simply a dirty mess tha

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> > Well, the new law is now being considered for application to block > YouTube in Russia. Make of that, what you will. > > http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19648808 > Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]] > I have never understood anyone who thinks that showing contempt for the Prop

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On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Fred Bauder >> wrote: But that is not all. The most important issue is extremism. According to the bill, the materials, that are banned for distribution in Russia should be included to the

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> On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Fred Bauder > wrote: >>> But that is not all. The most important issue is extremism. According >>> to >>> the bill, the materials, that are banned for distribution in Russia >>> should be included to the register of banned information on the ground >>> of >>> the

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On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: >> But that is not all. The most important issue is extremism. According to >> the bill, the materials, that are banned for distribution in Russia >> should be included to the register of banned information on the ground of >> the court decision,

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> But that is not all. The most important issue is extremism. According to > the bill, the materials, that are banned for distribution in Russia > should be included to the register of banned information on the ground of > the court decision, banning the distribution of that information in > Russi

[Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

Tim Starling wrote: > According to ru.wp Arbcom member DR, the danger to Wikipedia was > overstated, and the text of the proposed law was misrepresented. I think that the interpretation to the bill given by DR is incorrect. In fact the proposed bill was not only about child pornography and extre

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Fred Bauder wrote: > It remains possible, due to the nature of the Russian government and the > pressures of the opposition on it, that reading between the lines and > coming to the conclusion they did was justified. What the Russian > government might consider extremist and necessary to suppress i

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It remains possible, due to the nature of the Russian government and the pressures of the opposition on it, that reading between the lines and coming to the conclusion they did was justified. What the Russian government might consider extremist and necessary to suppress is sui generis. Fred > On

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On 14/07/12 01:07, abi yoyo wrote: > Greetings to all and thanks for the support of our initiative. I am > one of the three ru-wikipedia users, who signed the decision under > the poll to blackout ru-wiki. We have a really nasty bill, that is > already passed by the Russian parliament. The bill con

[Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

Greetings to all and thanks for the support of our initiative. I am one of the three ru-wikipedia users, who signed the decision under the poll to blackout ru-wiki. We have a really nasty bill, that is already passed by the Russian parliament. The bill contains a real and an unequivocal clauses,

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On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Anthony wrote: > Okay. Is there something in those regs which regulates what WMF "can > and cannot do politically"? All I see is regulations stating that WMF > may be taxed based on what is does. I'm afraid I don't understand the distinction you're making. >

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On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Mike Godwin wrote: > On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Anthony wrote: > >>> So? I gave you pointers to regs for 501(c)(3), (c)(4), etc. >> >> Well, no, you didn't. > > I think most people will agree that I did give you pointers to the > regs. I agree that I did no

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Or maybe you should both agree to take this into at least another thread, or preferably off-list altogether. On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Anthony wrote: > On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Mike Godwin wrote: > > I didn't see much point in rereading those provisions, because I > > didn't unde

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On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Mike Godwin wrote: > I didn't see much point in rereading those provisions, because I > didn't understand what exactly you were taking issue with me on. I'm > not sure anyone else does either. Perhaps someone else could explain > your disagreement with me, because

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On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Anthony wrote: >> So? I gave you pointers to regs for 501(c)(3), (c)(4), etc. > > Well, no, you didn't. I think most people will agree that I did give you pointers to the regs. I agree that I did not give you direct links to the regs. Perhaps you understood "poi

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>>> As for WMF's tax status, I'm not going to talk about that -- I simply >>> pointed out that 501(c) organizations are regulated. >> >> 501(c) *is a tax status*. 501(c)(3) is a subset of that tax status. > > So? I gave you pointers to regs for 501(c)(3), (c)(4), etc. Well, no, you didn't. But I

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On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Nathan wrote: > Is there a "service provider" exemption for entities like Wikimedia in > Russia? Is it possible that making the Russian Wikipedia inaccessible for a > period in order to protest a Russian law might be considered political > activism in Russia? I don

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On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Anthony wrote: > You specifically contrasted regulations "as a corporation" with > regulations "by virtue of its being a nonprofit corporation". I > responded to both. You then quoted my response to the first, with > information with respect to the second. I'm

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On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 12:35 AM, Tim Starling wrote: > On 11/07/12 00:32, David Gerard wrote: > > On 10 July 2012 15:29, Tim Starling wrote: > > > >> SOPA didn't threaten the existence of Wikipedia, > > > > > > Geoff Brigham opined otherwise, IIRC. > > Yes, on the basis that "Wikipedia arguably

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On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:34:46 -0400, Nathan wrote: Is there a "service provider" exemption for entities like Wikimedia in Russia? Not that I know of. Is it possible that making the Russian Wikipedia inaccessible for a period in order to protest a Russian law might be considered political act

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Is there a "service provider" exemption for entities like Wikimedia in Russia? Is it possible that making the Russian Wikipedia inaccessible for a period in order to protest a Russian law might be considered political activism in Russia? I don't believe the WMF itself has any assets in Russia, but

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On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Mike Godwin wrote: > On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Anthony wrote: >> First of all, you selectively quoted me, cutting out the part where I >> made it obvious that I was talking about regulations that apply to >> corporations in general. I specifically pointed

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Hi Mike On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Mike Godwin wrote: > 'I'm entirely comfortable with The New York Times Company (a > corporation) and its efforts to influence the outcome of elections > (e.g., through candidate endorsements). And I wouldn't want to > prohibit The New York Times Company

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I wrote: 'I'm entirely comfortable with The New York Times Company (a corporation) and its efforts to influence the outcome of elections (e.g., through candidate endorsements; I wouldn't want to prohibit The New York Times Company from political speech.' That paragraph got truncated through an ed

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On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Anthony wrote: >> Analytically, however, the issue raised by Citizens United is not >> simply an issue of free speech. It centers on the precise question of >> what role corporate expenditures can play in elections. > > The law in question was with respect to "ele

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On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Mike Godwin wrote: > On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Anthony wrote: > >>> I'm not speaking for WMF, but I don't see the connection here. >> >> The connection is free speech. > > Analytically, however, the issue raised by Citizens United is not > simply an issue

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On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Anthony wrote: >> I'm not speaking for WMF, but I don't see the connection here. > > The connection is free speech. Analytically, however, the issue raised by Citizens United is not simply an issue of free speech. It centers on the precise question of what role c

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On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:47 AM, Mike Godwin wrote: > Anthony writes: > > "I wonder if the WMF will shut down in protest should one of the > proposals to amend the constitution to overturn Citizens United gain > traction in Congress." > > I'm not speaking for WMF, but I don't see the connection he

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On 12 July 2012 10:27, David Gerard wrote: > On 12 July 2012 08:47, Mike Godwin wrote: > > > At the heart of the Wikipedia/Wikimedia projects' success is > > democratic action, driven by those who are engaged in the process of > > promoting, supporting, and maintaining these projects. So my inst

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On 12 July 2012 08:47, Mike Godwin wrote: > At the heart of the Wikipedia/Wikimedia projects' success is > democratic action, driven by those who are engaged in the process of > promoting, supporting, and maintaining these projects. So my instinct > is to believe, respect, and support the Russian

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Anthony writes: "I wonder if the WMF will shut down in protest should one of the proposals to amend the constitution to overturn Citizens United gain traction in Congress." I'm not speaking for WMF, but I don't see the connection here. Wikimedia Foundation, as a corporation, is profoundly regulat

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On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:14:48 -0400, Anthony wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: The law just passed the third reading without any changes. It has to be now signed by the president and will be enforced in the present form on November 1, 2012. So is this going

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On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > The law just passed the third reading without any changes. It has to be now > signed by the president and will be enforced in the present form on November > 1, 2012. So is this going to shut down Russian Wikipedia? I still don't see

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On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 13:23:22 +0200, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: Ok, let me may be provide a bit of a background. 1) The law is formally directed against child pornography, drug trafficking, hate between religions etc. The idea is that every website (whatever it means) where information violating

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On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 7:02 AM, David Gerard wrote: > On 10 July 2012 09:22, Thomas Morton wrote: >> On 9 July 2012 20:41, Milos Rancic wrote: > >>> In less than half an hour Russian Wikipedia will go on one-day strike >>> against SOPA/PIPA-like law in Russia [1] (in Russian). > >> Unless I am

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Milos, 1) Btw, I looked more carefully at the poll: 22 support a press-release, but *74* are against the switch-off. The result is not as clear cut as it seemed, isn't it? 2) In the ArbCom case we already have a request for recusal of ArbCom members, who don't live in Russia - this is three out

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On 11/07/12 09:57, Fred Bauder wrote: Try http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/10/russian-wikipedia-shut-down-protest?INTCMP=SRCH It is quite possible, as in China, political censorship is the actual purpose, and pornography, and whatever, is just the excuse. Yes, but this has nothing to d

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Milos, >BTW, 292:22 doesn't look like a lack of participation nor as a lack of >consensus. And the actions which affect the real world have their >right time, unlike building the knowledge. Did you count how many of thsee 292 votes, especially among the last couple of hundred, have a right for RF

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On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:21:26 +0200, Milos Rancic wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: Milos, do you have any evidence that what you have written is correct? Just a single fact? So far the law was accepted in the second reading basically unchanged, and is currentl

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On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > Milos, do you have any evidence that what you have written is correct? Just > a single fact? So far the law was accepted in the second reading basically > unchanged, and is currently undergoing the third reading (which is also > expect

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2012/7/11 David Gerard : > On 11 July 2012 08:57, Fred Bauder wrote: > >> It is quite possible, as in China, political censorship is the actual >> purpose, and pornography, and whatever, is just the excuse. > > > Censoring porn is *always* a stalking horse for political and > historical censorship

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On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 11:47:09 +0200, Milos Rancic wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Виктория wrote: I don't know if we "won". The main contentious issues remain in the law, the author of the proposed law accuses Wikipedia of being "comissioned by a paedophile lobby" (that again, and I do

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On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Виктория wrote: > I don't know if we "won". The main contentious issues remain in the law, > the author of the proposed law accuses Wikipedia of being "comissioned by > a paedophile lobby" (that again, and I don't think she knows about Larry > Sanger's campaign)

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On 11 July 2012 08:57, Fred Bauder wrote: > It is quite possible, as in China, political censorship is the actual > purpose, and pornography, and whatever, is just the excuse. Censoring porn is *always* a stalking horse for political and historical censorship. - d. __

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Try http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/10/russian-wikipedia-shut-down-protest?INTCMP=SRCH It is quite possible, as in China, political censorship is the actual purpose, and pornography, and whatever, is just the excuse. Fred > On 11/07/12 09:40, Milos Rancic wrote: >> Yep, I forgot it. BTW

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On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 11:27 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > It looks like we won again. > > I don't know if we "won". The main contentious issues remain in the law, the author of the proposed law accuses Wikipedia of being "comissioned by a paedophile lobby" (that again, and I don't think she knows

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On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 09:47:25 +0200, Nikola Smolenski wrote: On 11/07/12 09:40, Milos Rancic wrote: Yep, I forgot it. BTW, note the comments below RIA Novosti news on Russian Wikipedia strike [1]. That baseline fluctuates a lot :) [1] http://en.ria.ru/society/20120710/174509543.html By the way

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On 11/07/12 09:40, Milos Rancic wrote: Yep, I forgot it. BTW, note the comments below RIA Novosti news on Russian Wikipedia strike [1]. That baseline fluctuates a lot :) [1] http://en.ria.ru/society/20120710/174509543.html By the way, Western media are spinning this to be an anti-Putin protest

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On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 9:20 AM, David Gerard wrote: > No, no, you don't understand: *my* politics are the neutral baseline, > *your* politics are weird and radical. Yep, I forgot it. BTW, note the comments below RIA Novosti news on Russian Wikipedia strike [1]. That baseline fluctuates a lot :)

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On 11 July 2012 08:07, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 5:41 AM, Nathan wrote: >> Yes, very encouraging. We should suggest to the various language Wikipedias >> that they monitor laws in their home country, and each time one is >> considered (or even proposed!) that they don't like,

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On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 09:07:48 +0200, Milos Rancic wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 5:41 AM, Nathan wrote: Yes, very encouraging. We should suggest to the various language Wikipedias that they monitor laws in their home country, and each time one is considered (or even proposed!) that they don't l

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On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 5:41 AM, Nathan wrote: > Yes, very encouraging. We should suggest to the various language Wikipedias > that they monitor laws in their home country, and each time one is > considered (or even proposed!) that they don't like, the projects should be > blacked out. In this way

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On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > It looks like we won again. > > "Communication Minister Nikolai Nikiforov was also negative about the > current version of the bill, but was more relaxed about the possible > outcomes. “I don’t support Wiki’s contention that it would be close

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On 11/07/12 00:32, David Gerard wrote: > On 10 July 2012 15:29, Tim Starling wrote: > >> SOPA didn't threaten the existence of Wikipedia, > > > Geoff Brigham opined otherwise, IIRC. Yes, on the basis that "Wikipedia arguably falls under the definition of an 'Internet search engine'".

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It looks like we won again. "Communication Minister Nikolai Nikiforov was also negative about the current version of the bill, but was more relaxed about the possible outcomes. “I don’t support Wiki’s contention that it would be closed down. But this step is an important reaction by society, a sig

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On 10 July 2012 15:29, Tim Starling wrote: > SOPA didn't threaten the existence of Wikipedia, Geoff Brigham opined otherwise, IIRC. - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/l

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On 10/07/12 18:22, Thomas Morton wrote: > Unless I am missing something key; whilst this is a crappy law, it is not > much like SOPA/PIPA in that it doesn't seem to threaten the existence of > Russian Wikipedia. SOPA didn't threaten the existence of Wikipedia, and neither did the proposed law in I

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On 10/07/12 15:45, Keegan Peterzell wrote: "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~ Benjamin Franklin The blackout was exactly the opposite. A little temporary (one day) safety (all the content was still available at c

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On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 3:30 AM, Nikola Smolenski wrote: > > > I have to say, your comment reads like empty philosophizing. You are like > a person who doesn't have children because he is worried about > overpopulation - when it is exactly the people who are intelligent and > responsible enough to

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On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 09:22:12 +0100, Thomas Morton wrote: > >> On 9 July 2012 20:41, Milos Rancic wrote: >> >> In less than half an hour Russian Wikipedia will go on one-day strike >>> against SOPA/PIPA-like law in Russia [1] (in Russ

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On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 09:22:12 +0100, Thomas Morton wrote: On 9 July 2012 20:41, Milos Rancic wrote: In less than half an hour Russian Wikipedia will go on one-day strike against SOPA/PIPA-like law in Russia [1] (in Russian). Unless I am missing something key; whilst this is a crappy law, it

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On 10 July 2012 09:22, Thomas Morton wrote: > On 9 July 2012 20:41, Milos Rancic wrote: >> In less than half an hour Russian Wikipedia will go on one-day strike >> against SOPA/PIPA-like law in Russia [1] (in Russian). > Unless I am missing something key; whilst this is a crappy law, it is not

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On 10/07/12 07:58, Keegan Peterzell wrote: When we black-out one of our projects, we remove our ideal and the fundamental principle that we support the freedom of knowledge. What we do How come? It is exactly the black-out that supported the freedom of knowledge. it move the idea into the

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On 9 July 2012 20:41, Milos Rancic wrote: > In less than half an hour Russian Wikipedia will go on one-day strike > against SOPA/PIPA-like law in Russia [1] (in Russian). > Unless I am missing something key; whilst this is a crappy law, it is not much like SOPA/PIPA in that it doesn't seem to th

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On 10/07/12 08:16, Milos Rancic wrote: On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: Okay, I'll bite. This is just my opinion and based on SOPA in the United States and what our government represents. Thanks! I am responding as a non-cognitivist moral skeptic nihilist. I thought

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> >> Neither Anonymous, > >>> neither Arab Spring would happen without Wikipedia. > >> > > I think you meant without the technology and concept that we can be > > connected as humans all the time. We can trace these happenings back to > > the telegraph and radio, or even the bold idea of the ink

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On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 8:23 AM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > I just wanted to be clear I didn't mean that offensively, just for humor > :) Of course, I didn't accept it offensively :) And everything which I say is a part of humor, no matter how my arguments are substantial (or not) :) __

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On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 1:18 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Keegan Peterzell > wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 12:58 AM, Keegan Peterzell < > keegan.w...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> > >> Neither Anonymous, > >>> neither Arab Spring would happen without Wikipedia. > >> >

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On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Keegan Peterzell > wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: > >> Thanks! I am responding as a non-cognitivist moral skeptic nihilist. > >> > > CAUTION: HUMOR! > > > > Nice marmot. > >

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On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: >> Thanks! I am responding as a non-cognitivist moral skeptic nihilist. >> > CAUTION: HUMOR! > > Nice marmot. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L2qP-xQ_7o Yes, it's a part of humor.

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On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: > > Thanks! I am responding as a non-cognitivist moral skeptic nihilist. > > CAUTION: HUMOR! Nice marmot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L2qP-xQ_7o -- ~Keegan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___

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On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 12:58 AM, Keegan Peterzell > wrote: >> >> Neither Anonymous, >>> neither Arab Spring would happen without Wikipedia. >> > I think you meant without the technology and concept that we can be > connected as humans al

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On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 12:58 AM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > > Neither Anonymous, >> neither Arab Spring would happen without Wikipedia. > > I think you meant without the technology and concept that we can be connected as humans all the time. We can trace these happenings back to the telegraph and

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On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > Okay, I'll bite. This is just my opinion and based on SOPA in the United > States and what our government represents. Thanks! I am responding as a non-cognitivist moral skeptic nihilist. > We have freedoms and we have liberties. Freedo

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On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 12:22 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: > Just a couple of words for those who don't understand... > > Writing encyclopedia produces responsibility. Neither Anonymous, > neither Arab Spring would happen without Wikipedia. > > A person has to be very miserable not to understand that;

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Just a couple of words for those who don't understand... Writing encyclopedia produces responsibility. Neither Anonymous, neither Arab Spring would happen without Wikipedia. A person has to be very miserable not to understand that; and not to take its own responsibility.

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On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > I'll explain my perspective on Saturday at the SOPA panel for Wikimania. > It's very tl;dr. I'm sure it will be put online :) Come on, I won't listen it for sure. But if you write it here, I could read it :) ___

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On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:47 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:44 AM, Keegan Peterzell > wrote: > > When the government wants your library records, do you protest by closing > > the library? No. You still let people in so that they can learn. > > But, we can prove our point b

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On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:44 AM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > When the government wants your library records, do you protest by closing > the library? No. You still let people in so that they can learn. But, we can prove our point by closing Wikipedia for one day, while librarians can't do that by

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On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:13 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > > You've successfully disrupted an educational resource in the name of > > political advocacy. Stooping to the level of vandals... that'll show 'em. > > Party on. > > After enough of rakija

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On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:13 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > You've successfully disrupted an educational resource in the name of > political advocacy. Stooping to the level of vandals... that'll show 'em. > Party on. After enough of rakija, I barely understand your words... Don't you think that we have

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Milos Rancic wrote: > In less than half an hour Russian Wikipedia will go on one-day strike > against SOPA/PIPA-like law in Russia. > > As in previous cases with Italian and English Wikipedia, it would be > good if the wider community would be activated in support of our > fellow Wikimedians. They

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

count is that. [1] - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Romka3003 Regards, Teles > From: salvadore...@hotmail.com > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 03:17:37 +0300 > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike > >