Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor
This would be a wonderful general feature, for setting a collection of preferences on signup. SJ On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:11 AM, Jan Ainali jan.ain...@wikimedia.se wrote: From Charles original questions I guess that he would be satisified with something like: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLoginenablevisualeditor=1 which should enable the Visual Editor for users signing up through that link. If it is possible or not to do that I have no idea. *Med vänliga hälsningar, Jan Ainali* Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida 0729 - 67 29 48 2013/10/15 Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net Hear hear. I know this is a battle that the Foundation's engineers can't possibly win, given the circumstances which VE was moved from opt-out to opt-in on enwiki (see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)diff=prevoldid=574251354 , for those who aren't aware). Turn it on, turn it off; either way someone gets upset. From a pure technical standpoint, is it possible to put a checkbox on the new user page or something so that new users can turn it on without having to delve deep into the untamed wilderness that is the user preferences page? Cheers, Craig On 15 October 2013 21:54, Richard Nevell richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I firmly agree with that, taking a detour to preferences when training new editors isn't my preferred method. Richard On 15 October 2013 12:47, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote: Hello, I think that for beginners things must be as simple and clear as possible. Make them manipulate the preferences at the beginning of the session is already complicated and a waste of time. Don't forget that beginners already have to learn so many things quickly, so the more you can reduce, the better. Actually I'd prefer to have a model wiki that looks like Wikipedia but is best suited to use in trainings. Kind regards Ziko Dr. Ziko van Dijk voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland Postbus 167 3500 AD Utrecht http://wikimedia.nl 2013/10/15 Charles Andrès charles.andres.w...@gmail.com: Thanks, but in FR.Wikipedia.org you only have the opt-out option (disable visual editor) :-( Charles ___ I use this email for mailing list only. Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer Wikimedia CH – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – www.wikimedia.ch Skype: charles.andres.wmch IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch Le 15 oct. 2013 à 10:10, Enock Seth Nyamador kwadzo...@gmail.com a écrit : Hello Charles, I don't think there is a way to for this in the registration process. To enable or disable Visual Editor. Login 1. Go to --- Preferences -- Click Editing tab. 2. At the bottom of Editing page, Check or uncheck the box beside Enable VisualEditor (only in the main and user namespaces) OR Follow this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing Then repeat step 2 above. Hope it helps. Thanks. Regards, Enock S. Nyamador. --- Writer | Wikimedian Planning Wikimedia Ghana | About.me | Blog C: +233 (0)27 565 7589 On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Charles Andres charles.andres.w...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, In our new education program with youngs in scholar difficulties, we have the problem that only half of the new accounts have the visual editor activated, it's quite annoying to have two teach two way of editing. Is there a trick to force the activation of Visual Editor for a specific user? Thanks Charles ___ Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer Wikimedia CH – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – www.wikimedia.ch Skype: charles.andres.wmch IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch ___ Education mailing list educat...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor
On 16 October 2013 06:08, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: Chris, as Ziko put it. Would you like a novice driver with a Learner's permit to drive on a Crowded street or a High speed expressway or in a deserted ground? Visual Editor for newbies has caused a lot of pages to 'break' as I have noticed. YMMV. For simple stuff it's actually great and has been wonderful for casual editors I've asked to try it. The problems really come on complicated pages. If they're creating completely fresh articles, I don't anticipate huge problems. If problems do happen, the VisualEditor tag is monitored closely enough they'll be picked up as bugs. - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor
On 16 October 2013 07:26, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: This would be a wonderful general feature, for setting a collection of preferences on signup. SJ In theory, I agree. Realistically, most new editors don't know the difference between A and B, or how it will affect their editing, so I don't know that it is really all that helpful. Risker ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor
On 16 October 2013 07:31, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 October 2013 06:08, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: Chris, as Ziko put it. Would you like a novice driver with a Learner's permit to drive on a Crowded street or a High speed expressway or in a deserted ground? Visual Editor for newbies has caused a lot of pages to 'break' as I have noticed. YMMV. For simple stuff it's actually great and has been wonderful for casual editors I've asked to try it. The problems really come on complicated pages. If they're creating completely fresh articles, I don't anticipate huge problems. If problems do happen, the VisualEditor tag is monitored closely enough they'll be picked up as bugs. I think the problem when VE is turned on as default production editor on a busy project is that it is close to impossible for the small number of users who routinely monitor recent changes (or those who are monitoring VE) to catch all of the problems. Instead of just reviewing an individual edit, we have learned that edits often had effects further down in pages, or those that didn't really show up properly in the diff window, which meant having to look at the entire page before determining whether there was a problem. As I recall, certain common errors that happened in July were still being identified and fixed as late as mid-September on enwiki, and we have a pretty active Recent Changes patrol and a fair number of people monitoring VE edits. With the much reduced load now, it is much easier to spot these problems. Risker ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor
This is a really interesting idea - not just for VE but for other new-user tools as well. CCing to Steven, who's been doing some work with the signup interface - is this sort of hook technically practical? Andrew. On 15 October 2013 13:11, Jan Ainali jan.ain...@wikimedia.se wrote: From Charles original questions I guess that he would be satisified with something like: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLoginenablevisualeditor=1 which should enable the Visual Editor for users signing up through that link. If it is possible or not to do that I have no idea. *Med vänliga hälsningar, Jan Ainali* Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida 0729 - 67 29 48 2013/10/15 Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net Hear hear. I know this is a battle that the Foundation's engineers can't possibly win, given the circumstances which VE was moved from opt-out to opt-in on enwiki (see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)diff=prevoldid=574251354 , for those who aren't aware). Turn it on, turn it off; either way someone gets upset. From a pure technical standpoint, is it possible to put a checkbox on the new user page or something so that new users can turn it on without having to delve deep into the untamed wilderness that is the user preferences page? Cheers, Craig On 15 October 2013 21:54, Richard Nevell richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I firmly agree with that, taking a detour to preferences when training new editors isn't my preferred method. Richard On 15 October 2013 12:47, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote: Hello, I think that for beginners things must be as simple and clear as possible. Make them manipulate the preferences at the beginning of the session is already complicated and a waste of time. Don't forget that beginners already have to learn so many things quickly, so the more you can reduce, the better. Actually I'd prefer to have a model wiki that looks like Wikipedia but is best suited to use in trainings. Kind regards Ziko Dr. Ziko van Dijk voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland Postbus 167 3500 AD Utrecht http://wikimedia.nl 2013/10/15 Charles Andrès charles.andres.w...@gmail.com: Thanks, but in FR.Wikipedia.org you only have the opt-out option (disable visual editor) :-( Charles ___ I use this email for mailing list only. Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer Wikimedia CH – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – www.wikimedia.ch Skype: charles.andres.wmch IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch Le 15 oct. 2013 à 10:10, Enock Seth Nyamador kwadzo...@gmail.com a écrit : Hello Charles, I don't think there is a way to for this in the registration process. To enable or disable Visual Editor. Login 1. Go to --- Preferences -- Click Editing tab. 2. At the bottom of Editing page, Check or uncheck the box beside Enable VisualEditor (only in the main and user namespaces) OR Follow this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing Then repeat step 2 above. Hope it helps. Thanks. Regards, Enock S. Nyamador. --- Writer | Wikimedian Planning Wikimedia Ghana | About.me | Blog C: +233 (0)27 565 7589 On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Charles Andres charles.andres.w...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, In our new education program with youngs in scholar difficulties, we have the problem that only half of the new accounts have the visual editor activated, it's quite annoying to have two teach two way of editing. Is there a trick to force the activation of Visual Editor for a specific user? Thanks Charles ___ Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer Wikimedia CH – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – www.wikimedia.ch Skype: charles.andres.wmch IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch ___ Education mailing list educat...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 5:01 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.ukwrote: This is a really interesting idea - not just for VE but for other new-user tools as well. CCing to Steven, who's been doing some work with the signup interface - is this sort of hook technically practical? Andrew. Yes, technically speaking it is probably not difficult to set VisualEditor opt-in on the basis of a URL parameter. How/if we should implement it that way, I leave up to James and the VE team. To be honest, if we think VE is more advantageous for new editors, we should be delivering by default for all of them, not selectively. The design team has been working on concepts for a design where the switch between wikitext and visual editing is done after hitting Edit, allowing us to consolidate the current confusing situation with two buttons. This is probably the most elegant solution. It makes room for individual users potentially setting their default edit mode to one or the other, reduces extra button clutter, etc. -- Steven Walling, Product Manager https://wikimediafoundation.org/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor
Thanks, but in FR.Wikipedia.org you only have the opt-out option (disable visual editor) :-( Charles ___ I use this email for mailing list only. Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer Wikimedia CH – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – www.wikimedia.ch Skype: charles.andres.wmch IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch Le 15 oct. 2013 à 10:10, Enock Seth Nyamador kwadzo...@gmail.com a écrit : Hello Charles, I don't think there is a way to for this in the registration process. To enable or disable Visual Editor. Login 1. Go to --- Preferences -- Click Editing tab. 2. At the bottom of Editing page, Check or uncheck the box beside Enable VisualEditor (only in the main and user namespaces) OR Follow this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing Then repeat step 2 above. Hope it helps. Thanks. Regards, Enock S. Nyamador. --- Writer | Wikimedian Planning Wikimedia Ghana | About.me | Blog C: +233 (0)27 565 7589 On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Charles Andres charles.andres.w...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, In our new education program with youngs in scholar difficulties, we have the problem that only half of the new accounts have the visual editor activated, it's quite annoying to have two teach two way of editing. Is there a trick to force the activation of Visual Editor for a specific user? Thanks Charles ___ Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer Wikimedia CH – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – www.wikimedia.ch Skype: charles.andres.wmch IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch ___ Education mailing list educat...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor
From Charles original questions I guess that he would be satisified with something like: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLoginenablevisualeditor=1 which should enable the Visual Editor for users signing up through that link. If it is possible or not to do that I have no idea. *Med vänliga hälsningar, Jan Ainali* Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida 0729 - 67 29 48 2013/10/15 Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net Hear hear. I know this is a battle that the Foundation's engineers can't possibly win, given the circumstances which VE was moved from opt-out to opt-in on enwiki (see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)diff=prevoldid=574251354 , for those who aren't aware). Turn it on, turn it off; either way someone gets upset. From a pure technical standpoint, is it possible to put a checkbox on the new user page or something so that new users can turn it on without having to delve deep into the untamed wilderness that is the user preferences page? Cheers, Craig On 15 October 2013 21:54, Richard Nevell richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I firmly agree with that, taking a detour to preferences when training new editors isn't my preferred method. Richard On 15 October 2013 12:47, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote: Hello, I think that for beginners things must be as simple and clear as possible. Make them manipulate the preferences at the beginning of the session is already complicated and a waste of time. Don't forget that beginners already have to learn so many things quickly, so the more you can reduce, the better. Actually I'd prefer to have a model wiki that looks like Wikipedia but is best suited to use in trainings. Kind regards Ziko Dr. Ziko van Dijk voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland Postbus 167 3500 AD Utrecht http://wikimedia.nl 2013/10/15 Charles Andrès charles.andres.w...@gmail.com: Thanks, but in FR.Wikipedia.org you only have the opt-out option (disable visual editor) :-( Charles ___ I use this email for mailing list only. Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer Wikimedia CH – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – www.wikimedia.ch Skype: charles.andres.wmch IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch Le 15 oct. 2013 à 10:10, Enock Seth Nyamador kwadzo...@gmail.com a écrit : Hello Charles, I don't think there is a way to for this in the registration process. To enable or disable Visual Editor. Login 1. Go to --- Preferences -- Click Editing tab. 2. At the bottom of Editing page, Check or uncheck the box beside Enable VisualEditor (only in the main and user namespaces) OR Follow this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing Then repeat step 2 above. Hope it helps. Thanks. Regards, Enock S. Nyamador. --- Writer | Wikimedian Planning Wikimedia Ghana | About.me | Blog C: +233 (0)27 565 7589 On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Charles Andres charles.andres.w...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, In our new education program with youngs in scholar difficulties, we have the problem that only half of the new accounts have the visual editor activated, it's quite annoying to have two teach two way of editing. Is there a trick to force the activation of Visual Editor for a specific user? Thanks Charles ___ Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer Wikimedia CH – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – www.wikimedia.ch Skype: charles.andres.wmch IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch ___ Education mailing list educat...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Richard Nevell
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor
Honestly speaking I'd disable Visual Editor for new users. They have a tendency of making errors. On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Jan Ainali jan.ain...@wikimedia.se wrote: From Charles original questions I guess that he would be satisified with something like: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLoginenablevisualeditor=1 which should enable the Visual Editor for users signing up through that link. If it is possible or not to do that I have no idea. *Med vänliga hälsningar, Jan Ainali* Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida 0729 - 67 29 48 2013/10/15 Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net Hear hear. I know this is a battle that the Foundation's engineers can't possibly win, given the circumstances which VE was moved from opt-out to opt-in on enwiki (see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)diff=prevoldid=574251354 , for those who aren't aware). Turn it on, turn it off; either way someone gets upset. From a pure technical standpoint, is it possible to put a checkbox on the new user page or something so that new users can turn it on without having to delve deep into the untamed wilderness that is the user preferences page? Cheers, Craig On 15 October 2013 21:54, Richard Nevell richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I firmly agree with that, taking a detour to preferences when training new editors isn't my preferred method. Richard On 15 October 2013 12:47, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote: Hello, I think that for beginners things must be as simple and clear as possible. Make them manipulate the preferences at the beginning of the session is already complicated and a waste of time. Don't forget that beginners already have to learn so many things quickly, so the more you can reduce, the better. Actually I'd prefer to have a model wiki that looks like Wikipedia but is best suited to use in trainings. Kind regards Ziko Dr. Ziko van Dijk voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland Postbus 167 3500 AD Utrecht http://wikimedia.nl 2013/10/15 Charles Andrès charles.andres.w...@gmail.com: Thanks, but in FR.Wikipedia.org you only have the opt-out option (disable visual editor) :-( Charles ___ I use this email for mailing list only. Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer Wikimedia CH – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – www.wikimedia.ch Skype: charles.andres.wmch IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch Le 15 oct. 2013 à 10:10, Enock Seth Nyamador kwadzo...@gmail.com a écrit : Hello Charles, I don't think there is a way to for this in the registration process. To enable or disable Visual Editor. Login 1. Go to --- Preferences -- Click Editing tab. 2. At the bottom of Editing page, Check or uncheck the box beside Enable VisualEditor (only in the main and user namespaces) OR Follow this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing Then repeat step 2 above. Hope it helps. Thanks. Regards, Enock S. Nyamador. --- Writer | Wikimedian Planning Wikimedia Ghana | About.me | Blog C: +233 (0)27 565 7589 On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Charles Andres charles.andres.w...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, In our new education program with youngs in scholar difficulties, we have the problem that only half of the new accounts have the visual editor activated, it's quite annoying to have two teach two way of editing. Is there a trick to force the activation of Visual Editor for a specific user? Thanks Charles ___ Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer Wikimedia CH – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – www.wikimedia.ch Skype: charles.andres.wmch IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch ___ Education mailing list educat...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor
Srikanth, why don't you let them use their sandbox then to learn VE? 2013/10/15 Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in Honestly speaking I'd disable Visual Editor for new users. They have a tendency of making errors. On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Jan Ainali jan.ain...@wikimedia.se wrote: From Charles original questions I guess that he would be satisified with something like: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLoginenablevisualeditor=1 which should enable the Visual Editor for users signing up through that link. If it is possible or not to do that I have no idea. *Med vänliga hälsningar, Jan Ainali* Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida 0729 - 67 29 48 2013/10/15 Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net Hear hear. I know this is a battle that the Foundation's engineers can't possibly win, given the circumstances which VE was moved from opt-out to opt-in on enwiki (see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)diff=prevoldid=574251354 , for those who aren't aware). Turn it on, turn it off; either way someone gets upset. From a pure technical standpoint, is it possible to put a checkbox on the new user page or something so that new users can turn it on without having to delve deep into the untamed wilderness that is the user preferences page? Cheers, Craig On 15 October 2013 21:54, Richard Nevell richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I firmly agree with that, taking a detour to preferences when training new editors isn't my preferred method. Richard On 15 October 2013 12:47, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote: Hello, I think that for beginners things must be as simple and clear as possible. Make them manipulate the preferences at the beginning of the session is already complicated and a waste of time. Don't forget that beginners already have to learn so many things quickly, so the more you can reduce, the better. Actually I'd prefer to have a model wiki that looks like Wikipedia but is best suited to use in trainings. Kind regards Ziko Dr. Ziko van Dijk voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland Postbus 167 3500 AD Utrecht http://wikimedia.nl 2013/10/15 Charles Andrès charles.andres.w...@gmail.com: Thanks, but in FR.Wikipedia.org you only have the opt-out option (disable visual editor) :-( Charles ___ I use this email for mailing list only. Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer Wikimedia CH – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – www.wikimedia.ch Skype: charles.andres.wmch IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch Le 15 oct. 2013 à 10:10, Enock Seth Nyamador kwadzo...@gmail.com a écrit : Hello Charles, I don't think there is a way to for this in the registration process. To enable or disable Visual Editor. Login 1. Go to --- Preferences -- Click Editing tab. 2. At the bottom of Editing page, Check or uncheck the box beside Enable VisualEditor (only in the main and user namespaces) OR Follow this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing Then repeat step 2 above. Hope it helps. Thanks. Regards, Enock S. Nyamador. --- Writer | Wikimedian Planning Wikimedia Ghana | About.me | Blog C: +233 (0)27 565 7589 On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Charles Andres charles.andres.w...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, In our new education program with youngs in scholar difficulties, we have the problem that only half of the new accounts have the visual editor activated, it's quite annoying to have two teach two way of editing. Is there a trick to force the activation of Visual Editor for a specific user? Thanks Charles ___ Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer Wikimedia CH – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – www.wikimedia.ch Skype: charles.andres.wmch IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch ___
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor
Before Visual Editor was invented, we complained about people starting editing right away and making mistakes. I'm not sure this is a completely tool-linked issue ;-) A. On 15 October 2013 18:42, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: That would be a great idea; but nobody seems to bother. They just start editing articles right away. On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Sophie Osterberg sosterb...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Srikanth, why don't you let them use their sandbox then to learn VE? 2013/10/15 Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in Honestly speaking I'd disable Visual Editor for new users. They have a tendency of making errors. On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Jan Ainali jan.ain...@wikimedia.se wrote: From Charles original questions I guess that he would be satisified with something like: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLoginenablevisualeditor=1 which should enable the Visual Editor for users signing up through that link. If it is possible or not to do that I have no idea. *Med vänliga hälsningar, Jan Ainali* Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida 0729 - 67 29 48 2013/10/15 Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net Hear hear. I know this is a battle that the Foundation's engineers can't possibly win, given the circumstances which VE was moved from opt-out to opt-in on enwiki (see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)diff=prevoldid=574251354 , for those who aren't aware). Turn it on, turn it off; either way someone gets upset. From a pure technical standpoint, is it possible to put a checkbox on the new user page or something so that new users can turn it on without having to delve deep into the untamed wilderness that is the user preferences page? Cheers, Craig On 15 October 2013 21:54, Richard Nevell richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I firmly agree with that, taking a detour to preferences when training new editors isn't my preferred method. Richard On 15 October 2013 12:47, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote: Hello, I think that for beginners things must be as simple and clear as possible. Make them manipulate the preferences at the beginning of the session is already complicated and a waste of time. Don't forget that beginners already have to learn so many things quickly, so the more you can reduce, the better. Actually I'd prefer to have a model wiki that looks like Wikipedia but is best suited to use in trainings. Kind regards Ziko Dr. Ziko van Dijk voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland Postbus 167 3500 AD Utrecht http://wikimedia.nl 2013/10/15 Charles Andrès charles.andres.w...@gmail.com: Thanks, but in FR.Wikipedia.org you only have the opt-out option (disable visual editor) :-( Charles ___ I use this email for mailing list only. Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer Wikimedia CH – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – www.wikimedia.ch Skype: charles.andres.wmch IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch Le 15 oct. 2013 à 10:10, Enock Seth Nyamador kwadzo...@gmail.com a écrit : Hello Charles, I don't think there is a way to for this in the registration process. To enable or disable Visual Editor. Login 1. Go to --- Preferences -- Click Editing tab. 2. At the bottom of Editing page, Check or uncheck the box beside Enable VisualEditor (only in the main and user namespaces) OR Follow this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing Then repeat step 2 above. Hope it helps. Thanks. Regards, Enock S. Nyamador. --- Writer | Wikimedian Planning Wikimedia Ghana | About.me | Blog C: +233 (0)27 565 7589 On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Charles Andres charles.andres.w...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, In our new education program with youngs in scholar difficulties, we have the
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor
This is very true; there is a gap between what (most) beginners like to do and what would be wise to do. Some education colleagues told me that their beginners never wanted to edit elsewhere than on the real Wikipedia, not on an educational wiki. That beginners what to write an article of their own as the first thing, and are not interested in free knowledge, free licenses etc. I compare that to someone who wants to get a drivers license. Riding on the highway, that's great, but learning for the theoretical exam, few are eager to. :-) Kind regards Ziko Dr. Ziko van Dijk voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland Postbus 167 3500 AD Utrecht http://wikimedia.nl 2013/10/15 Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in: That would be a great idea; but nobody seems to bother. They just start editing articles right away. On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Sophie Osterberg sosterb...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Srikanth, why don't you let them use their sandbox then to learn VE? 2013/10/15 Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in Honestly speaking I'd disable Visual Editor for new users. They have a tendency of making errors. On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Jan Ainali jan.ain...@wikimedia.se wrote: From Charles original questions I guess that he would be satisified with something like: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLoginenablevisualeditor=1 which should enable the Visual Editor for users signing up through that link. If it is possible or not to do that I have no idea. *Med vänliga hälsningar, Jan Ainali* Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida 0729 - 67 29 48 2013/10/15 Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net Hear hear. I know this is a battle that the Foundation's engineers can't possibly win, given the circumstances which VE was moved from opt-out to opt-in on enwiki (see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)diff=prevoldid=574251354 , for those who aren't aware). Turn it on, turn it off; either way someone gets upset. From a pure technical standpoint, is it possible to put a checkbox on the new user page or something so that new users can turn it on without having to delve deep into the untamed wilderness that is the user preferences page? Cheers, Craig On 15 October 2013 21:54, Richard Nevell richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I firmly agree with that, taking a detour to preferences when training new editors isn't my preferred method. Richard On 15 October 2013 12:47, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote: Hello, I think that for beginners things must be as simple and clear as possible. Make them manipulate the preferences at the beginning of the session is already complicated and a waste of time. Don't forget that beginners already have to learn so many things quickly, so the more you can reduce, the better. Actually I'd prefer to have a model wiki that looks like Wikipedia but is best suited to use in trainings. Kind regards Ziko Dr. Ziko van Dijk voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland Postbus 167 3500 AD Utrecht http://wikimedia.nl 2013/10/15 Charles Andrès charles.andres.w...@gmail.com: Thanks, but in FR.Wikipedia.org you only have the opt-out option (disable visual editor) :-( Charles ___ I use this email for mailing list only. Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer Wikimedia CH – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – www.wikimedia.ch Skype: charles.andres.wmch IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch Le 15 oct. 2013 à 10:10, Enock Seth Nyamador kwadzo...@gmail.com a écrit : Hello Charles, I don't think there is a way to for this in the registration process. To enable or disable Visual Editor. Login 1. Go to --- Preferences -- Click Editing tab. 2. At the bottom of Editing page, Check or uncheck the box beside Enable VisualEditor (only in the main
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On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: That would be a great idea; but nobody seems to bother. They just start editing articles right away. Oh no! People editing articles! What a disaster! /sarcasm Chris ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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Chris, as Ziko put it. Would you like a novice driver with a Learner's permit to drive on a Crowded street or a High speed expressway or in a deserted ground? Visual Editor for newbies has caused a lot of pages to 'break' as I have noticed. On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 1:27 AM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: That would be a great idea; but nobody seems to bother. They just start editing articles right away. Oh no! People editing articles! What a disaster! /sarcasm Chris ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Srikanth Ramakrishnan Treasurer, Wikimedia Chapter [India] Donate to the Wikimedia India Chapter todayhttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donations ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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You're correct Srikanth; I'd like to think that VisualEditor will be the entry editing interface of the future, but it's still not stable enough and is missing too many features to be ideal for new editors. It is, however, getting better every time I use it, so it is inching closer incrementally. Today I successfully completed an edit using VE that I know for a fact would have broken the page back in July, so progress is being made. When I worked with a group of new editors back in August, they universally reverted to using Wikitext because it had easy-to-use referencing and editing tools, only some of which are now incorporated into VE, but I have faith that these will be folded in as time goes on. It should be noted, however, that almost every single bug reported in relation to VE occurred with experienced editors who had the skill to report it, or to at least figure out how to undo the edit. Those that occurred with new editors were not reported unless an experienced editor reviewed it and then tried to replicate it and figure out what went wrong. It was this situation that led to showdowns on the English Wikipedia, more so than just about anything else. Well, that, and making it the production editing interface without even testing major features. I cannot speak to the experience on projects outside of English Wikipedia, but I dearly hope that things are going more smoothly on other projects that have not decided to remove themselves from participation in the testing. Risker On 16 October 2013 01:08, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.inwrote: Chris, as Ziko put it. Would you like a novice driver with a Learner's permit to drive on a Crowded street or a High speed expressway or in a deserted ground? Visual Editor for newbies has caused a lot of pages to 'break' as I have noticed. On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 1:27 AM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: That would be a great idea; but nobody seems to bother. They just start editing articles right away. Oh no! People editing articles! What a disaster! /sarcasm Chris ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Srikanth Ramakrishnan Treasurer, Wikimedia Chapter [India] Donate to the Wikimedia India Chapter today http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donations ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
