Re: [Wikimedia-l] Was the Wikimedia Foundation's removal of membership in 2006 legal?

2016-03-09 Thread David Emrany
Hi Adam I believe you better understand how the robbery happened by studying the way the composition of the Board and WMF's senior functionaries rotated between 2005 to 2010. You can access these online from the government websites where WMF filed them David On 3/9/16, Adam Wight

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Was the Wikimedia Foundation's removal of membership in 2006 legal?

2016-03-09 Thread Adam Wight
I need some help researching the history of the Wikimedia Foundation's membership status. It's very slow going, and we could use the help of people who understand nonprofit law, with experience practicing in Florida a definite plus. In the meantime, here's one more interesting lead: [1] This is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Was the Wikimedia Foundation's removal of membership in 2006 legal?

2016-01-28 Thread Adam Wight
Hi Florence, Thanks for jumping into this conversation and sharing your illuminating perspective as an "old timer" :-) I wanted to take a moment to also thank you for your initiatives at the time, it's thrilling to imagine what might have happened if more people had taken an interest in your

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Was the Wikimedia Foundation's removal of membership in 2006 legal?

2016-01-27 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 1:30 PM, SarahSV wrote: > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Florence Devouard > wrote: > > I read you Sarah. Good point. Hmmm. > > But ianal... > > > > I am sure it was discussed back then, but I forgot the details. > > > > I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Was the Wikimedia Foundation's removal of membership in 2006 legal?

2016-01-27 Thread Florence Devouard
Le 27/01/16 12:59, SarahSV a écrit : On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 1:58 AM, Florence Devouard wrote: Hi Adam The WMF has never been a membership based organization. ​Hi Anthere, The bylaws as of September 2004 said: [1] "​ This membership [ ​v​ olunteer active membership]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Was the Wikimedia Foundation's removal of membership in 2006 legal?

2016-01-27 Thread SarahSV
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Florence Devouard wrote: I read you Sarah. Good point. Hmmm. > But ianal... > > I am sure it was discussed back then, but I forgot the details. > > I contacted Brad on Facebook to suggest him to read the list. Perhaps he > might be willing to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Was the Wikimedia Foundation's removal of membership in 2006 legal?

2016-01-27 Thread SarahSV
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 1:58 AM, Florence Devouard wrote: > Hi Adam > > The WMF has never been a membership based organization. > > > ​Hi Anthere, The bylaws as of September 2004 said: [1] "​ This membership [ ​v​ olunteer active membership] shall consist of all persons

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Was the Wikimedia Foundation's removal of membership in 2006 legal?

2016-01-27 Thread Kevin Gorman
"As a current WMF staff member, and having received a formal scolding two weeks ago for expressing my professional and personal opinions on this list--that a hierarchical corporate structure is completely inappropriate and ineffectual for running the Foundation--I don't feel safe editorializing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Was the Wikimedia Foundation's removal of membership in 2006 legal?

2016-01-27 Thread Andre Engels
From the discussion on the creation of Wikimedia I remember that there definitely was an intention to have members involved in the election of the board. Apart from the appointed board members, there would be two community selected members - one chosen by the editing community, the other by the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Was the Wikimedia Foundation's removal of membership in 2006 legal?

2016-01-27 Thread Florence Devouard
Hi Adam The WMF has never been a membership based organization. Actually, what happened (roughly) is this. 1) WMF is created in 2003. Legal obligation is to have at least 3 board members. Jimmy create it and ask two people working with him at that time to join the board. Those were Michael

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Was the Wikimedia Foundation's removal of membership in 2006 legal?

2016-01-27 Thread WereSpielChequers
Whether or not the decision against having a membership system was legal, reversing that decision would be a timely and practical way for the WMF to start to reengage with the community. Past concerns that a membership system would require staff are now moot - we have staff. Past concerns as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Was the Wikimedia Foundation's removal of membership in 2006 legal?

2016-01-26 Thread Pine W
It would be interesting to know if the people who participated in that decision actually had the legal authority to make it. They might have, but this would be worth further inquiry. Pine On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 11:03 PM, SarahSV wrote: > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 11:39