Re: [Wikimedia-l] America may go bizarro, but Wikipedia has a choice to make

2019-01-09 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, May I remind you again that at the time the Vrije Universiteit was testing in a grid how the performance of a MediaWiki based on peer to peer technology would cope.. The guy who ran the computing department is known for MINIX.. it was his development. Why not run p2p and the central server

Re: [Wikimedia-l] America may go bizarro, but Wikipedia has a choice to make

2019-01-09 Thread RonnieV
Hi All, Location might be a tangent, if we should go for just two locations. The change of unwanted things happening in one location is a too high risk for an organisation of our importance. The change of unwanted things happening in two, quit remote, locations happening at the same time,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] America may go bizarro, but Wikipedia has a choice to make

2019-01-09 Thread Vi to
> > I would suggest Iceland. But there are several other possibilities, Ireland > and New Zealand for starters. > An alternative to be solid should be technically and economically feasible. Ireland may be ok though I suspect is less cheap than Netherlands or Germany, I suspect Iceland is even

Re: [Wikimedia-l] America may go bizarro, but Wikipedia has a choice to make

2019-01-09 Thread WereSpielChequers
I would suggest Iceland. But there are several other possibilities, Ireland and New Zealand for starters. But Iceland is a nice green location for server farms. Cheap cooling, green electricity a small enough economy that they wouldn't want to upset the WMF if it located there, and a government

Re: [Wikimedia-l] America may go bizarro, but Wikipedia has a choice to make

2019-01-09 Thread Ariel Glenn WMF
The files made available as 'Wikimedia dumps' are not intended to be a full backup. And indeed that is not their purpose. People do set up mirrors using these dumps from time to time, though I have not done so recently. Actual honest-to-goodness backups (database snapshots) are another thing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] America may go bizarro, but Wikipedia has a choice to make

2019-01-09 Thread Risker
Without in any way suggesting that David's and Fae's question is inappropriateI suspect that the people most likely to have used/tested the backups are not people who follow this list; they're much more likely to participate on technical lists. It's actually a pretty good question, and Ariel

Re: [Wikimedia-l] America may go bizarro, but Wikipedia has a choice to make

2019-01-09 Thread
Location: This is a tangent, one that has been raised before as a /non-answer/ to the issue of actually getting on with contingency planning. Realistically I would start by looking at the potential matches of Sweden, Switzerland, the Netherlands (where servers already are used for WMF operations),

Re: [Wikimedia-l] America may go bizarro, but Wikipedia has a choice to make

2019-01-09 Thread Vi to
AFAIR CODFW can serve as a complete (tested) backup for EQIAD. If the same would be implemented (though it's not a 5 minutes task) to ESAMS that would be a first step towards a more distributed infrastructure. Vito Il giorno mar 8 gen 2019 alle ore 18:17 Fæ ha scritto: > Dear fellow

Re: [Wikimedia-l] America may go bizarro, but Wikipedia has a choice to make

2019-01-08 Thread Philippe Beaudette
Perhaps that's the answer, James. But maybe there are others as well, especially since, by their own admission, that tech is not ready for prime time (meaning fully editable encyclopedia) yet. On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 5:17 PM James Salsman wrote: > Why not just officially support Wikipedia on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] America may go bizarro, but Wikipedia has a choice to make

2019-01-08 Thread James Salsman
Why not just officially support Wikipedia on IPFS, which has been hosting the Turkish Wikipedia in Turkey, unlike the Foundation, for almost two years now? https://blog.ipfs.io/24-uncensorable-wikipedia/ https://github.com/ipfs/distributed-wikipedia-mirror On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 3:10 PM

Re: [Wikimedia-l] America may go bizarro, but Wikipedia has a choice to make

2019-01-08 Thread Philippe Beaudette
Nathan, when you write "the very nature of Wikipedia is maybe the best protection there could be, even against the absurdly unlikely circumstance of a United States government takeover of Wikipedia", it's very easy for me to fully and totally agree -- as I would have, three years ago. But in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] America may go bizarro, but Wikipedia has a choice to make

2019-01-08 Thread Nathan
Hi Fae, I'm curious what nation you have in mind for your stable Plan B. Is it Brexit Britain? France of the Yellow Vests and Front National? Perhaps Orban's Hungary, Putin's Russia, or Germany with its recent right-wing resurgence? Maybe you'd prefer Jair Bolsonaro's Brazil? I suppose in Italy

Re: [Wikimedia-l] America may go bizarro, but Wikipedia has a choice to make

2019-01-08 Thread David Gerard
So ... when did someone last test putting up a copy of the sites from the backups? (just a complete copy with history, not even at publicly-accessible scale) On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 at 19:31, Steven Walling wrote: > > Great question to think about for our long term sustainability. I think we >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] America may go bizarro, but Wikipedia has a choice to make

2019-01-08 Thread Steven Walling
Great question to think about for our long term sustainability. I think we already have a universal "plan B" however? It's providing all content under free licenses and regularly distributing complete dumps of our content. Many larger and more well-funded technology organizations (Google,

[Wikimedia-l] America may go bizarro, but Wikipedia has a choice to make

2019-01-08 Thread
Dear fellow Wikimedians, please sit back for a moment and ponder the following, For those of us not resident in the US, it has been genuinely alarming to see highly respected US government archives vanish overnight, reference websites go down, and US legislation appear to drift to whatever