tl;dr:
Let’s get active in Brussels! During a two-day meeting, an
international core group of Wikimedians agreed on launching the first
necessary steps: Establishing a monitoring system and launching task
forces on three hot topics: Free access to government works, Freedom
of Panorama and Orphan Wo
Hi all,
our meeting in Brussels is coming closer and we´re really looking
forward to talk face to face and discuss the organisational structure,
methods of communication and tasks of the future EU-Policy-Group [1].
During the last days, we’ve polished the schedule a little bit and
asked a profess
Le samedi 09 mars 2013 à 11:37 +0100, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov a
écrit :
> Hi Mathieu,
>
> Unfortunately even hostels are rather pricey in Brussels. I'd say the
> prices start at about 25 Euro per night in a shared dorm. On a positive
> note the local CouchSurfing community is really active, if y
Hi Mathieu,
Unfortunately even hostels are rather pricey in Brussels. I'd say the
prices start at about 25 Euro per night in a shared dorm. On a positive
note the local CouchSurfing community is really active, if you are into
that. I am myself a couchsurfer and probably could host somebody for a f
Le jeudi 07 mars 2013 à 13:42 +0100, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov a écrit :
> Salut la liste!
>
> After booking the meeting room we have set up a page on meta intended to
> inform everyone about the event. I tried to gather all the information I
> deemed important, but please keep in mind that especi
puis mon Blackberry
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> Hi Balázs,
>
> There seems to be only limited overlap in the interested attendees. Also,
> preconference would overlap with some other pre
great :)
Please note that 'we don't know yet, check back later' is also a helpful
addition to the page regarding travel budget :)
Best,
Lodewijk
2013/3/7 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov
> Hi Lodewijk,
>
> I cannot answer the travel aid quesiton as there is no dedicated, central
> budget for this mee
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering
Hi Balázs,
There seems to be only limited overlap in the interested attendees. Also,
preconference would overlap with some other pre conferencees which at least
for me would be bad. Also, there's only one day of pre conference
(
Nobody stops you of course to have a 'meeting over lunchtime' but I think
the expectations by the organizers were set a little higher than that.
Lodewijk
(who has some experience with the 'success' of international Wikimedia
over-lunchtime meetings)
2013/3/7 Balázs Viczián
> Such a meeting can
Hi Lodewijk,
I cannot answer the travel aid quesiton as there is no dedicated, central
budget for this meeting. It's just volunteers and chapters deciding to join
in, help or carry some of the cost.
About signing up - I simply didn't think of it, as I know how to contact
everyone who put their na
Such a meeting can be done over lunchtime any day or after the conference
(which I guess would finish somewhere around lunch on Sunday so it can be
on a weekend) or paralell to the schedule; there are plenty of options if
you're interested in a solution.
Cheers,
Balázs
2013/3/7 Lodewijk
> Hi Ba
Hi Balázs,
There seems to be only limited overlap in the interested attendees. Also,
preconference would overlap with some other pre conferencees which at least
for me would be bad. Also, there's only one day of pre conference
(Thursday) which makes it too short and in the middle of the week (ther
Hi Jan,
Typically this is what pre conference events are for and quite frankly I
see more possibilities in it if this would be implemented into the Milan
event both in the schedule and as a thematic pre conference meeting (as the
educational leaders are doing it).
cheers,
Balázs
2013/3/6 Jan Eng
Salut la liste!
After booking the meeting room we have set up a page on meta intended to
inform everyone about the event. I tried to gather all the information I
deemed important, but please keep in mind that especially the meeting
schedule is prone to changes.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/EU_P
Hi Dimi,
the people at Brel are quite flexible, so I guess you could book the hostel
beds for those that want to stay there (in one/a few rooms) if enough in
advance. Probably you could arrange that people pay themselves. I stayed
there a few times now, and they are decent but not awesome (it's a
Hey Christophe,
Since I am on location I am co-organising the meeting. We can't really book
the acoomodation for everyone, but I will make sure to include this tip in
meeting info page on meta I am preparing. Hopefully by the end of the week
I will be able to confirm everything (incl. meeting room
Hey,
I don't know who's organizing, but for the last meeting (in 2009) we
had it in this hostel http://www.lesaubergesdejeunesse.be/ it was
really really nice. Though it was almost fully booked and we all slept
in different hostel/hotels.
Just to help the people organizing with a good tip :)
Bes
And please allow me to add that there are "only" chapter
representatives in Milan, but this project is also open to non-chapter
community members. On top of that, you don't know whether the
representatives a chapter sends are the ones who are interested
in/working on those policy issues.
Best,
Nic
Hi Balázs,
of course I am aware of the chapter conference. But first, there will be no
volunteers. Second, there won't be enough time. Third, we want to integrate
a short input from a Brussels-based NGO to learn something about "things
really work". And apart from that, we searched for a very real
Errr...the chapters conference in Milan will be two weeks later, why don't
you integrate this into the schedule of that instead?
Balazs
2013/3/6 Jan Engelmann
> Hi all,
>
> a clear majority voted for the 6th/7th of april as the most suitable
> date for the meeting. We are happy to make the arra
Hi all,
a clear majority voted for the 6th/7th of april as the most suitable
date for the meeting. We are happy to make the arrangements! During
the next days, we will provide you with all necessary information
about the location in Brussels and the scheduling. We will also pass
around a draft age
I'd suggest a thematic meeting in Milan about this, what could be a kickoff
too
Balazs
2013/2/28 Jan Engelmann
> Hi Jon,
>
> thanks a lot for your encouriging words! Would be great to have
> somebody from the UK with us right from the start, the preferred
> option for the kick-off-meeting seems
Hi Jon,
thanks a lot for your encouriging words! Would be great to have
somebody from the UK with us right from the start, the preferred
option for the kick-off-meeting seems to be 6th/7th of april.
Hope to see you next time,
Jan
2013/2/28 Jon Davies :
> A very slow reply to this proposal.
>
>
A very slow reply to this proposal.
I agree wholeheartedly with this approach and know a little about how
important 'Brussels' is and how we need to have a united, well researched
and persuasive voice there.
I am not sure who our key person would be to support this but will ask
around the communi
Christophe Henner, 20/02/2013 12:07:
Agreed, that was my hidden message. But for such endeavour to succeed
paid time and paid time in Brussels will be needed :)
We also have some additional experiences to learn from.
I liked this:
https://digitalegesellschaft.de/2012/06/how-to-build-an-anti-ac
On 19.2.2013, at 19.06, Jan Engelmann wrote:
> Building upon the tremendous efforts of Brussels-based NGOs
> like EDRI [3] and La Quadrature Du Net [4], we should take the job to
> speak for the Wikimedia movement and its particular role in, let’s
> say, the ongoing Copyright Wars.
>
> [3] http:/
could be, but SF is pretty far away from Brussels (culture, legislation,
the way of handling things, priorities, etc. many many differences on many
levels)
Balazs
2013/2/20 Romaine Wiki
> Wikipedia and Wikimedia are a movement, a movement of open/free
> information and we should have spokespeop
Wikipedia and Wikimedia are a movement, a movement of open/free information and
we should have spokespeople who can explain why open/free information is our
desire and the desire of many people in the world. We as Wikimedia can't exist
without open/free information and we should and must explain
An area perhaps for the Legal and Community advocacy department ?
Alex
2013/2/20 Balázs Viczián
> I've replied on two things: regarding "info collecting", that you were
> discussing, I believe WMBE can handle it (collecting names and numbers), no
> need for a "chapter to the EU" there imo. Reg
I've replied on two things: regarding "info collecting", that you were
discussing, I believe WMBE can handle it (collecting names and numbers), no
need for a "chapter to the EU" there imo. Regarding actual lobbying,
representation and stuff - an international cooperation, like WCA (but not
in its c
Hi again,
if there ever will be a WCA or something like that, then this will be a
> task for them imo. For the time being, "mapping" could be done by the
> future Belgian chapter or by some interested local volunteers.
>
I strongly disagree. As a local volunteer doing monitoring and as someone
wh
Hi,
if there ever will be a WCA or something like that, then this will be a
task for them imo. For the time being, "mapping" could be done by the
future Belgian chapter or by some interested local volunteers.
Balazs
2013/2/20 Jan Engelmann
> Hi Balázs,
>
> I believe this will be the task of th
Le 2013-02-20 14:11, Christophe Henner a écrit :
I'm sorry but Ii tend to disagree to some extent.
There's really nothing to be sorry about here, I gave my point of view,
you share yours, and we may end up both grown by conversation we build
together.
We're non-political in the sense we do
On 02/20/2013 07:53 AM, Mathieu Stumpf wrote:
I wonder how one may split education and politic as they are – in my
humble opinion – deeply intertwinned.
+1 Insightful
Indeed, our "Imagine" slogan is -- fundamentally -- both highly
political and quite radical (even in this age of easy communi
Hi Balázs,
I believe this will be the task of the future Belgian chapter what is - if
> I'm correct - just forming. No need to have two chapters there.
>
We're not talking about an "overlapping" or even "overstretch" of chapters.
The territorial perspective is not very productive if you search fo
I believe this will be the task of the future Belgian chapter what is - if
I'm correct - just forming. No need to have two chapters there.
Balazs
2013/2/20 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov
> Hi all,
>
> I guess the non-partisan part is not even a quesiton, but rather a
> precondition. The question is
Hi all,
I guess the non-partisan part is not even a quesiton, but rather a
precondition. The question is how to balance it on a case-to-case basis.
For now I have just included the wording "*commitment to* *political
neutrality except regarding the most serious things that directly impact
our work
I'm sorry but Ii tend to disagree to some extent.
We're non-political in the sense we don't pick side. We don't support
one or the other party. But that doesn't mean we must not get involved
regarding legislation that could tamper with our ability to achieve
our goals.
Quick exemple, in France th
Le 2013-02-19 23:59, rupert THURNER a écrit :
hi jan,
nice to hear that! i am wondering how such very active advocacy fits
with wikimedia's educational, non-political mission statement,
I wonder how one may split education and politic as they are – in my
humble opinion – deeply intertwinned.
On 20 February 2013 12:03, Jan Engelmann wrote:
> Hi Christoph,
>
> thanks for your comment. I am absolutely aware of the fact that there
> have been various efforts in the past to get things done, or even:
> slightly better. But in my view, it's always a matter of the burden of
> suffering if you
Hi Christoph,
thanks for your comment. I am absolutely aware of the fact that there
have been various efforts in the past to get things done, or even:
slightly better. But in my view, it's always a matter of the burden of
suffering if you get active or not. The EU-legislation on musical
recordings
Hi, just for the sake of "history" in 2007 or 2008 we tried to do
that, we had a meeting in Brussel (in a really nice hostel) and we set
up a working group... but we didn't do a thing in the end.
So even though I believe it could be a good idea, I'm still not sure
volunteers are able to handle suc
Le 2013-02-19 18:06, Jan Engelmann a écrit :
Let’s get started and talk about this challenge! Your input and ideas
on the aforementioned Meta page are highly appreciated. To discuss
the
working methods of an EU Policy Group and develop a project plan
together, we suggest to meet face-to-face in
hi jan,
nice to hear that! i am wondering how such very active advocacy fits
with wikimedia's educational, non-political mission statement, and how
you plan to work with dedicated platforms like lobbyplag [1][2]
[1] http://lobbyplag.eu/
[2] http://www.zeit.de/digital/datenschutz/2013-02/lobbyplag
tl;dr Issues like copyright are crucial for us. So let’s join forces
in Brussels to make a difference. All we need is a bunch of smart
people.
Dear fellow Wikimedians,
it’s been quite some time since we have talked on various occasions
about the need for the European Wikimedia chapters to join th
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