Re: [Wikimedia-l] Early thoughts regarding a global code of conduct and a GCC committee

2020-06-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, To help you remember, we had such situations in the past, they were resolved. It was ultimately the language committee who stopped Wikipedias. Background it is this same language committee who is instrumental in starting new projects. On a different topic. Diversity and bias is very much topi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Early thoughts regarding a global code of conduct and a GCC committee

2020-06-05 Thread Aron Manning
On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 at 21:43, Pine W wrote: > Hello, > This topic has been in the back of my mind for awhile. > Your proposal was thought-provoking. I was about to share my thoughts on it for a long time: First, I think there are 3 aspects to the discussion on the CoC: 1. The values and standard

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Early thoughts regarding a global code of conduct and a GCC committee

2020-04-22 Thread Pine W
Hi, Thanks for the comments here. I'm busy with off-wiki activities today and can't respond with as much specificity as I would wish. I request that you copy these comments to the talk page on Meta for discussion there. Please keep in mind that this process is in the early stages. There are proba

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Early thoughts regarding a global code of conduct and a GCC committee

2020-04-20 Thread Gnangarra
Kaya When we look at number we to interpret them in ways that the numbers themselves don't. Think about this 40% that think the the policies need 'quite a bit of improvement' but that doesnt tell us if it because the policy failed to protect them. More importantly it also doesn't say if was the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Early thoughts regarding a global code of conduct and a GCC committee

2020-04-20 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Hi Pine, I don't think a global commitee would be the right place - stewards are currently filling this gap involuntarily, and it seems extremely difficult to judge situations on a local project properly (the Azerbaijani case might come to mind here). For me the ideal version of a universal CoC w

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Early thoughts regarding a global code of conduct and a GCC committee

2020-04-19 Thread Pine W
Hello, I have published a draft proposal at the bottom of https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct. Discussion is welcome. A difficult issue is how to support diversity of expressions and opinions, even when those expressions or opinions may offend others, while also supporting c

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Early thoughts regarding a global code of conduct and a GCC committee

2020-04-07 Thread Todd Allen
I'm certainly not a big proponent of a global code of conduct (especially after the Fram disaster), but if there is to be one, I could actually see one like this being useful. We have had instances in the past where smaller projects had an admin corps that abused their tools to preserve content tha

[Wikimedia-l] Early thoughts regarding a global code of conduct and a GCC committee

2020-04-07 Thread Pine W
Hello, This topic has been in the back of my mind for awhile. Occasionally it comes up in conversations, and it has been discussed as part of the 2030 strategy process (see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20). I have a few early thoughts that I'd like to share. I