Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the Netherlands; informing the donors
Hey Another minor correction with a large impact. The first 60 euro, or 1% of your gross income, (crude translation of Drempelinkomen, but it will do for the sake of the argument), whichever is higher, does not count as deductible... Realistically this means that for people donating any money, it usually comes down to the fact that the first several hundred Euro’s donated each year (cumulatively) are NOT tax deductible. An exception would be a “periodical” gift which is documented. But overall: its complex and the amount you need to donate to charities is relatively high, and most people cannot take advantage of it because of this reason. I would guess that the ANBI status only really affects large donors… but it never hurts to advertise our ANBI status :) (personal opinion) Jan-Bart PS: http://www.belastingdienst.nl/rekenhulpen/giften/ http://www.belastingdienst.nl/rekenhulpen/giften/ (only seems to be available in dutch) On 07 Dec 2014, at 11:23, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: Minor correction: this system in the Netherlands works the other way around: donors can get back a part of their donation through their tax reduction - it is not that the charity gets a bonus. Interestingly, the Wikimedia Foundation has obtained this status (ANBI) in the Netherlands at the urging of the chapter several years ago (2010/2011). However, for some reason the WMF chooses not to advertize this (not so obvious) fact on the donation home page; which means that the donors are unaware that they can donate and get this reduction of their taxes (indeed up to 50% of the donation amount!). This is mindboggling to me - it should be an easy fix. Lodewijk On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, A similar possibility is in existence in the Netherlands... National charities can easily get such a status. It is possible for international organisations but it is more difficult.. In order to optimise fundraisers it is extremely relevant that we optimise it for our donors. That makes it very much in need of local efforts. As it is we lose 50% of the giftst of our donors in the Netherlands to the taxman. Thanks, GerardM On 4 December 2014 at 22:10, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: I've split this from a more general thread, for convenience... On 3 December 2014 at 01:16, Megan Hernandez mhernan...@wikimedia.org wrote: Starting today, banners are being shown to 100% of anonymous readers on English Wikipedia in the US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. How much money do we expect to raise (or did we last year), from the UK? How much of the money raised from the UK will attract Gift Aid[*] tax releif? [* Gift AId is a UK scheme where the government gives, to a charity, tax paid by a donor. For every £80 such a donor gives, the charty would receive £100] -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the Netherlands; informing the donors
Hoi, At the time I learned that it is possible to have an EC wide status. While local tax laws differ, it only takes one effort to have such an EC status. Nothing was done at the time, that was/is an annoyance. My hope is that this status will be established so that our donors can benefit according to their local laws. Thanks, GerardM On 8 December 2014 at 09:14, Jan-Bart de Vreede jdevre...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hey Another minor correction with a large impact. The first 60 euro, or 1% of your gross income, (crude translation of Drempelinkomen, but it will do for the sake of the argument), whichever is higher, does not count as deductible... Realistically this means that for people donating any money, it usually comes down to the fact that the first several hundred Euro’s donated each year (cumulatively) are NOT tax deductible. An exception would be a “periodical” gift which is documented. But overall: its complex and the amount you need to donate to charities is relatively high, and most people cannot take advantage of it because of this reason. I would guess that the ANBI status only really affects large donors… but it never hurts to advertise our ANBI status :) (personal opinion) Jan-Bart PS: http://www.belastingdienst.nl/rekenhulpen/giften/ http://www.belastingdienst.nl/rekenhulpen/giften/ (only seems to be available in dutch) On 07 Dec 2014, at 11:23, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: Minor correction: this system in the Netherlands works the other way around: donors can get back a part of their donation through their tax reduction - it is not that the charity gets a bonus. Interestingly, the Wikimedia Foundation has obtained this status (ANBI) in the Netherlands at the urging of the chapter several years ago (2010/2011). However, for some reason the WMF chooses not to advertize this (not so obvious) fact on the donation home page; which means that the donors are unaware that they can donate and get this reduction of their taxes (indeed up to 50% of the donation amount!). This is mindboggling to me - it should be an easy fix. Lodewijk On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, A similar possibility is in existence in the Netherlands... National charities can easily get such a status. It is possible for international organisations but it is more difficult.. In order to optimise fundraisers it is extremely relevant that we optimise it for our donors. That makes it very much in need of local efforts. As it is we lose 50% of the giftst of our donors in the Netherlands to the taxman. Thanks, GerardM On 4 December 2014 at 22:10, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: I've split this from a more general thread, for convenience... On 3 December 2014 at 01:16, Megan Hernandez mhernan...@wikimedia.org wrote: Starting today, banners are being shown to 100% of anonymous readers on English Wikipedia in the US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. How much money do we expect to raise (or did we last year), from the UK? How much of the money raised from the UK will attract Gift Aid[*] tax releif? [* Gift AId is a UK scheme where the government gives, to a charity, tax paid by a donor. For every £80 such a donor gives, the charty would receive £100] -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the Netherlands; informing the donors
Gerard Meijssen, 07/12/2014 13:11: At the time I learned that there is the possibility of an European tax status. I do remember that it took several years of financial statements. This is something we can easily provide We already do: that's what local chapters are for. WMF is not based in EU and requiring EU seat is not unlawful. That said, if WMF wants to apply for fiscal benefits in more EU countries, I'm sure many of us can help pro bono. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the Netherlands; informing the donors
Minor correction: this system in the Netherlands works the other way around: donors can get back a part of their donation through their tax reduction - it is not that the charity gets a bonus. Interestingly, the Wikimedia Foundation has obtained this status (ANBI) in the Netherlands at the urging of the chapter several years ago (2010/2011). However, for some reason the WMF chooses not to advertize this (not so obvious) fact on the donation home page; which means that the donors are unaware that they can donate and get this reduction of their taxes (indeed up to 50% of the donation amount!). This is mindboggling to me - it should be an easy fix. Lodewijk On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, A similar possibility is in existence in the Netherlands... National charities can easily get such a status. It is possible for international organisations but it is more difficult.. In order to optimise fundraisers it is extremely relevant that we optimise it for our donors. That makes it very much in need of local efforts. As it is we lose 50% of the giftst of our donors in the Netherlands to the taxman. Thanks, GerardM On 4 December 2014 at 22:10, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: I've split this from a more general thread, for convenience... On 3 December 2014 at 01:16, Megan Hernandez mhernan...@wikimedia.org wrote: Starting today, banners are being shown to 100% of anonymous readers on English Wikipedia in the US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. How much money do we expect to raise (or did we last year), from the UK? How much of the money raised from the UK will attract Gift Aid[*] tax releif? [* Gift AId is a UK scheme where the government gives, to a charity, tax paid by a donor. For every £80 such a donor gives, the charty would receive £100] -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the Netherlands; informing the donors
2014-12-07 11:23 GMT+01:00 Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org: Minor correction: this system in the Netherlands works the other way around: donors can get back a part of their donation through their tax reduction - it is not that the charity gets a bonus. Interestingly, the Wikimedia Foundation has obtained this status (ANBI) in the Netherlands at the urging of the chapter several years ago (2010/2011). However, for some reason the WMF chooses not to advertize this (not so obvious) fact on the donation home page; which means that the donors are unaware that they can donate and get this reduction of their taxes (indeed up to 50% of the donation amount!). This is mindboggling to me - it should be an easy fix. Strong +1. As an international movement who is fundraising globally this knowledge is (almost literally) gold. C ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the Netherlands; informing the donors
Hoi, At the time I learned that there is the possibility of an European tax status. I do remember that it took several years of financial statements. This is something we can easily provide and also when the WMF does not quality as an organisation that is intended for the public good who is. Thanks, GerardM Yes that means at least all of the European Community On 7 December 2014 at 12:46, Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-12-07 11:23 GMT+01:00 Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org: Minor correction: this system in the Netherlands works the other way around: donors can get back a part of their donation through their tax reduction - it is not that the charity gets a bonus. Interestingly, the Wikimedia Foundation has obtained this status (ANBI) in the Netherlands at the urging of the chapter several years ago (2010/2011). However, for some reason the WMF chooses not to advertize this (not so obvious) fact on the donation home page; which means that the donors are unaware that they can donate and get this reduction of their taxes (indeed up to 50% of the donation amount!). This is mindboggling to me - it should be an easy fix. Strong +1. As an international movement who is fundraising globally this knowledge is (almost literally) gold. C ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the Netherlands; informing the donors
Il 07/Dic/2014 13:12 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com ha scritto: This is something we can easily provide and also when the WMF does not quality as an organisation that is intended for the public good who is. I don't understand this sentence, can you please rephrase? C ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the Netherlands; informing the donors
Hoi, It was intented as a rhetorical question... if the WMF is not contributing to the general good who is, who qualifies ?? The main point is that the WMF took responsibility and is not aware of the ball being in their corner. Thanks, GerardM On 7 December 2014 at 15:35, Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote: Il 07/Dic/2014 13:12 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com ha scritto: This is something we can easily provide and also when the WMF does not quality as an organisation that is intended for the public good who is. I don't understand this sentence, can you please rephrase? C ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
