[Wikimedia-l] Re: Form 990 clarification request (for the attention of WMF accounts staff)

Gnangarra, Surprisingly enough, Covid-19 had little discernible effect on WMF spending outside the US, which reached its highest ever level in 2020/2021. Below are the non-US expense totals for the last five fiscal years, per the Form 990 (Schedule F, usually starts around p. 30) for each[1]:

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Form 990 clarification request (for the attention of WMF accounts staff)

Kaya "Global South" a term we had discontinued to emphasise as a way to divide the community did apply to more than just India. I really dont think looking at 2020/2021 figures is really fair either by yourself or by the fundraising people if that's what they used. That period had a significant

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Form 990 clarification request (for the attention of WMF accounts staff)

Hi Gnangarra and all, I only mentioned how little money went to India in 2020/2021 because of the WMF's recent claim in the Indian Express that "a lot" of the money raised is flowing into the Global South.[1] You raise the messaging used to request donations. Here are six key phrases from the

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Form 990 clarification request (for the attention of WMF accounts staff)

On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 at 16:33, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Dan, > > I am happy to give you the TL;DR version: > > As best I can make out, the WMF's average salary cost per employee is now > about $200,000. > > More could be said, of course: > > – The WMF had already exceeded its revenue goals for the

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Form 990 clarification request (for the attention of WMF accounts staff)

It doesn't matter where the money goes, everyone benefits and there was a period where the WMF was doing a lot of work in India without fundraising there. Its all relative Australia was contributing over 2m per year(highest per capita of anywhere at the time) yet there was nothing being spent in

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Form 990 clarification request (for the attention of WMF accounts staff)

Dan, I am happy to give you the TL;DR version: As best I can make out, the WMF's average salary cost per employee is now about $200,000. More could be said, of course: – The WMF had already exceeded its revenue goals for the 2021/2022 fiscal year by the end of March, bringing in over $150

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Form 990 clarification request (for the attention of WMF accounts staff)

On Fri, 17 Jun 2022 at 23:25, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > If you've spotted an error in my reasoning or think you can provide a > better estimate, please do so and share your working. Many eyes make all > bugs shallow. > My feedback is that you've put so many walls of text and numbers on this

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Form 990 clarification request (for the attention of WMF accounts staff)

Are we back to this? Seriously? I thought this topic was dead for at least six months. It’s almost enough to make me walk away and give up on this list. Philippe On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 5:25 PM Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Hi all, > > As the topic of WMF salaries has come up again in another

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Form 990 clarification request (for the attention of WMF accounts staff)

Hi all, As the topic of WMF salaries has come up again in another thread – a while ago I asked WMF accounts staff to clarify here on this list whether the "Salaries, other compensation, employee benefits" figure in Part I, Line 15 of the Form 990 related solely to the number of employees

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Form 990 clarification request (for the attention of WMF accounts staff)

Sorry wasnt making fun of his or anyone elses english but rather highlighting the English language in general with its US, Uk, Ca, Au, SA and how it gets taught rules to 2nd or 3rd language speakers as the primary common language we all speak its a fallacy we speak it the same way. My sincere

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Form 990 clarification request (for the attention of WMF accounts staff)

I really should be separating these responses into two threads, but they are part of this discussion, and need to be addressed appropriately. The first was that employing in low socio-economic countries to reduce employee costs is an offensive, and unfair proposal in a community thats striving for

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Form 990 clarification request (for the attention of WMF accounts staff)

> > > I think great care has to be taken when considering a place with low costs of living for employee's in that the movement does not become yet another corporation that exploits workers because it is cheaper, especially when we are claiming it as improving cultural diversity. I would much

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Form 990 clarification request (for the attention of WMF accounts staff)

Perhaps a conversation about the most optimal location for WMF (which I imagine is more relevant in a strategy framework) is more constructive in its own thread. I imagine that this has been part of plenty strategic conversations over the past years, and will be in the future - meaning that there

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Form 990 clarification request (for the attention of WMF accounts staff)

Hi Bodhisattwa, I quite agree. A somewhat similar set-up exists in Germany where donations are collected by the Wikimedia Fördergesellschaft ("Wikimedia Patron Society"), a subsidiary of Wikimedia Germany. The Fördergesellschaft then sends a part of its funds to the Wikimedia Foundation in the

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Form 990 clarification request (for the attention of WMF accounts staff)

Hoi, What you describe is a standard approach to what is not the real problem.The problem is in diversity. It is a stated objective and the Wikimedia Foundation does a comparatively good job.. except that it could be so much better. Another issue with concentrating on fundraising is that it is

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Form 990 clarification request (for the attention of WMF accounts staff)

Hi Andreas, Regarding the money raised in India, there is actually another option which can be more useful for the Indian volunteers. The money does not need to be transferred out of India to US and then come back through different grants as foreign money under strict regulations from the

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Form 990 clarification request (for the attention of WMF accounts staff)

Strainu, The outlier problem is manageable I believe, given that the Form 990 lists the compensation of the dozen highest-paid employees (going up to just over $400,000 in 2019). There were actually more people (four) north of $300,000 in 2018 than there were in 2019 (two) – a reflection of

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Form 990 clarification request (for the attention of WMF accounts staff)

Frankly, I think we should all be thanking Andreas for not backing down. On Tue, Feb 1, 2022, 12:08 PM Samuel Klein wrote: > Andreas, > > Are you ... sealioning WMF staff? Please don't.  > > You've been posting a lot >

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Form 990 clarification request (for the attention of WMF accounts staff)

Andreas, I understand this email won't address your more serious questions, but I believe it's fair to point out that the average salary will tell you nothing relevant. Without drilling down on job family, your results will be skewed by outliers. I can name out of the top of my head 10 people

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Form 990 clarification request (for the attention of WMF accounts staff)

Dear all, To bring some sort of closure to this thread about Wikimedia salary costs, Wikimedia CEO Maryana Iskander did eventually post a response on Meta.[1] My question and her reply are copied in full below. What please was the 2019 salary cost per WMF employee, per the most recent Wikimedia

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Form 990 clarification request (for the attention of WMF accounts staff)

Andreas, Are you ... sealioning WMF staff? Please don't.  You've been posting a lot lately, when that happens one can forget to be kind. I do find you're taking an overly jaundiced view. Fewer, shorter messages