[Wikimedia-l] FDC Letter of Intent process and schedule for 2013-14

2013-04-18 Thread Patricio Lorente
Dear friends and colleagues, We want to share with you information about the Letter of Intent process and the FDC schedule for next year (July 2013 - June 2014). As you may remember, the *Letter of Intent (LoI)* is the first step towards applying for funds from the FDC, as discussed in the FDC

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour with WMF researchers

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le 2013-04-17 21:11, ENWP Pine a écrit : Hi everyone, We'll meet on IRC in #wikimedia-office on April 22 at 1800 UTC. Please join us. I won't be able to join, but I wish I was able to do so. Did you use a shedule software such as [1] to organize this event? If not, please consider using

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New design for the list info page?

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le 2013-04-17 23:33, Deryck Chan a écrit : You mean, there is a cabal-l? How I wish I was invited! ;-) Of course not: there's no cabal my friend. ;) On 17 April 2013 21:30, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Last week I noticed a nice design for the list info page

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC Letter of Intent process and schedule for 2013-14

2013-04-18 Thread Milos Rancic
It would be very useful to express the current state of the FDC in emails like this one -- at the top of email. For a couple of months I was mislead that FDC is actually working and that Wikimedia entities should do a kind of action toward FDC if they want to get funds. Contrary to that, just if

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le 2013-04-18 04:28, billinghurst a écrit : I am wondering why there is no tweet this page capability through the WMF sites? It is so widely available through the web, and here is a range of sites that would be a prime place to do it, and NADA, no capacity. Even if we had it for something

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Chapters] Wikimedia Conference 2013 Milan : Visa Issues

2013-04-18 Thread Manuel Schneider
Dear all, especially those interested in the WCA Meeting not being in Milan today: The videoconferencing is now up and running, click this link to join: http://videoconf.wikimedia.ch/bigbluebutton/create.jsp?action=invitemeetingID=2013-04-18+WCA All you need is a browser with flash plugin and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC Letter of Intent process and schedule for 2013-14

2013-04-18 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hey Milos, I am sorry I don't understand the remarks completely… can you tell me a little bit more about what you are referring to? Jan-Bart On Apr 18, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: It would be very useful to express the current state of the FDC in emails like

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread David Gerard
On 18 April 2013 10:27, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.org wrote: I didn't read the tweeter EULA, as I don't use it. Does it feet our general policy[1]? If no, as one may easily expect, then you have a definitive answer to your why not. You could tweet from a button without WMF

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Stevie Benton
[Speaking personally, not from WMUK] I like the idea of sharing buttons, as long as they aren't too prominent. Wikipedia was a social medium before the term was really in widespread use. I think it also shows that our audience is important. Aren't we ultimately about sharing? Stevie On 18

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le 2013-04-18 05:00, James Alexander a écrit : I tend to think that they can be incredibly useful and reader friendly. I've always found it a bit disappointing we don't have it as they are probably the bigger reader request I've ever seen. Please provide metrics and numbers. You know how our

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le 2013-04-18 05:05, Sarah Stierch a écrit : But, I'm also a regular Twitter user and I see boosts in viewership for anything I post on my Twitter and Facebook. So sick of anti-social media Wikipedia. People love to deny we are a social network, when most of us involved in the community know

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Chapters] Wikimedia Conference 2013 Milan : Visa Issues

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le 2013-04-18 11:27, Manuel Schneider a écrit : Dear all, especially those interested in the WCA Meeting not being in Milan today: The videoconferencing is now up and running, click this link to join: http://videoconf.wikimedia.ch/bigbluebutton/create.jsp?action=invitemeetingID=2013-04-18+WCA

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Tom Morris
On Thursday, 18 April 2013 at 04:05, Sarah Stierch wrote: On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 8:00 PM, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.org (mailto:jalexan...@wikimedia.org)wrote: I tend to think that they can be incredibly useful and reader friendly. I've always found it a bit disappointing we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le 2013-04-18 11:37, David Gerard a écrit : On 18 April 2013 10:27, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.org wrote: I didn't read the tweeter EULA, as I don't use it. Does it feet our general policy[1]? If no, as one may easily expect, then you have a definitive answer to your why not.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Chapters] Wikimedia Conference 2013 Milan : Visa Issues

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le 2013-04-18 12:41, Mathieu Stumpf a écrit : Le 2013-04-18 11:27, Manuel Schneider a écrit : Dear all, especially those interested in the WCA Meeting not being in Milan today: The videoconferencing is now up and running, click this link to join:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Thomas Morton
If you mean publish something on tweeter while browsing a WMF project, I can't see the point. I'm sure most users know they can have more than one tab/window at a time. Weren't you asking for evidence to back up similar assertions a minute ago? :D Those said, I don't use Twitter in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread David Gerard
On 18 April 2013 13:04, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.org wrote: To my mind, it's not just about sharing, it's about sharing knowledge in a form which is as neutral as we can achieve to produce. If you stop to sharing, then you may just as well let free to share advertisments

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Stevie Benton
[Speaking personally, not from WMUK] Not sure how advertisements came in to the discussion, it's totally different. If we agree we want to share the sum total of all human knowledge, then it makes sense that we make it as easy to share that knowledge as possible. Having small, discreet buttons

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC Letter of Intent process and schedule for 2013-14

2013-04-18 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Jan-Bart de Vreede jdevre...@wikimedia.org wrote: I am sorry I don't understand the remarks completely… can you tell me a little bit more about what you are referring to? As not particularly interested in the topic, I read the first paragraph or two of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le 2013-04-18 12:54, Thomas Morton a écrit : If you mean publish something on tweeter while browsing a WMF project, I can't see the point. I'm sure most users know they can have more than one tab/window at a time. Weren't you asking for evidence to back up similar assertions a minute ago?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le 2013-04-18 13:11, David Gerard a écrit : On 18 April 2013 11:51, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.org wrote: Those said, I don't use Twitter in the first place, so I really have no idea what kind of gap you would like to fill with your feature. Your entire objection appears to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le 2013-04-18 14:11, Stevie Benton a écrit : [Speaking personally, not from WMUK] Not sure how advertisements came in to the discussion, it's totally different. If we agree we want to share the sum total of all human knowledge, then it makes sense that we make it as easy to share that knowledge

[Wikimedia-l] Agenda for FDC next week

2013-04-18 Thread Anders Wennersten
From Sunday 20th through to Wednesday 24th FDC will meet in Milan, primarily to deliberate upon the proposals for round 2. As there are fewer proposal this time we will also spend time on discussing learnings from last round in order to improve the process for further Rounds We also have a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Thehelpfulone
On Thursday, April 18, 2013, Mathieu Stumpf wrote: My objection would be more something like I'm afraid that this kind of actions could threaten some general policies of the Wikimedia movement, policies that promote human values that I share. Which policies would those be? --

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread billinghurst
On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 12:28:54 +1000, billinghurst billinghu...@gmail.com wrote: I am wondering why there is no tweet this page capability through the WMF sites? It is so widely available through the web, and here is a range of sites that would be a prime place to do it, and NADA, no capacity.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread David Gerard
On 18 April 2013 13:49, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, April 18, 2013, Mathieu Stumpf wrote: My objection would be more something like I'm afraid that this kind of actions could threaten some general policies of the Wikimedia movement, policies that promote

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Thomas Morton
Or, you could click a button. Why is making something easy a problem? And more to the point; a very large number of people would become confused with the processes you're describing. You are somewhere in the top 0.1% of technically literate persons!! So judging what is possible or not based on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Stevie Benton
I really don't understand what's the supposed barriers, you can save the whole page to send it, copy/paste the whole page, send the direct URL. What the use case where current possibilities would prevent one to share this knowledge? By barriers, I mean anything that may dissuade users from taking

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC Letter of Intent process and schedule for 2013-14

2013-04-18 Thread Patricio Lorente
Hi Milos! I think you should read again the original email. The word proposed is never used there. The fourth paragraph says: For your reference, here is the updated 2013-2014 Round 1 proposal process schedule:, refering to the process schedule for actual proposals. Perhaps you understood: For

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Katie Chan
On 18/04/2013 13:51, David Gerard wrote: So far, it's apparently a gateway to advertising. Mathieu, I'm not a huge advocate of Twitter buttons, and I think the neutrality objection (do we favour a few services, or have 2000 buttons?) is a serious problem. But your arguments so far have been

[Wikimedia-l] Request for comment — Activity levels of advanc ed administrative rights holders

2013-04-18 Thread billinghurst
A notification to the broader community of the Wikimedia Foundation. I have recently posted a request for comment at meta https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Activity_levels_of_advanced_administrative_rights_holders The purpose of the discussion is to determine a model guideline

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC Letter of Intent process and schedule for 2013-14

2013-04-18 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Patricio Lorente patricio.lore...@gmail.com wrote: I think you should read again the original email. The word proposed is never used there. The fourth paragraph says: For your reference, here is the updated 2013-2014 Round 1 proposal process schedule:,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le 2013-04-18 14:42, Thomas Morton a écrit : Those said, I don't use Twitter in the first place, so I really have no idea what kind of gap you would like to fill with your feature. *rolls eyes* Sorry, I don't mean to be snippy but this discussion always frustrates me. It's the sort of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Thomas Morton
On 18 April 2013 14:39, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.orgwrote: Le 2013-04-18 14:42, Thomas Morton a écrit : Those said, I don't use Twitter in the first place, so I really have no idea what kind of gap you would like to fill with your feature. *rolls eyes* Sorry, I don't

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] FDC Letter of Intent process and schedule for 2013-14

2013-04-18 Thread Patricio Lorente
Dear friends and colleagues, We want to share with you information about the Letter of Intent process and the FDC schedule for next year (July 2013 - June 2014). As you may remember, the *Letter of Intent (LoI)* is the first step towards applying for funds from the FDC, as discussed in the FDC

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le 2013-04-18 14:51, David Gerard a écrit : On 18 April 2013 13:49, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, April 18, 2013, Mathieu Stumpf wrote: My objection would be more something like I'm afraid that this kind of actions could threaten some general policies of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le 2013-04-18 14:52, Thomas Morton a écrit : Or, you could click a button. Why is making something easy a problem? Because easiness is not our **only** concern. Making things easier is great, losing neutrality for the sake of convenience and ease-of-use, to my mind it is not a good trade.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le 2013-04-18 14:56, Katie Chan a écrit : On 18/04/2013 13:51, David Gerard wrote: So far, it's apparently a gateway to advertising. Mathieu, I'm not a huge advocate of Twitter buttons, and I think the neutrality objection (do we favour a few services, or have 2000 buttons?) is a serious

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Tobias
On 04/18/2013 04:28 AM, billinghurst wrote: I am wondering why there is no tweet this page capability through the WMF sites? It is so widely available through the web, and here is a range of sites that would be a prime place to do it, and NADA, no capacity. Since we have this discussion every

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
Something like this buttons? http://br.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Brasil_nas_escolas On 18 April 2013 12:07, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.orgwrote: Le 2013-04-18 14:56, Katie Chan a écrit : On 18/04/2013 13:51, David Gerard wrote: So far, it's apparently a gateway to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread David Gerard
On 18 April 2013 15:54, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.org wrote: Le 2013-04-18 14:52, Thomas Morton a écrit : Or, you could click a button. Why is making something easy a problem? Because easiness is not our **only** concern. It is, however, an extremely important one. It only

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le 2013-04-18 17:25, David Gerard a écrit : On 18 April 2013 15:54, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.org wrote: Le 2013-04-18 14:52, Thomas Morton a écrit : Or, you could click a button. Why is making something easy a problem? Because easiness is not our **only** concern. It

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Tomasz W. Kozlowski
David Gerard wrote: (Someone noted on wikien-l that the Oh Shit moment in the editor graph coincides pretty well with the decision to lock down article creation on en:wp. Tiny inconveniences.) It's been more than seven years since article creation was disabled for anonymous editors on the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le jeudi 18 avril 2013 à 16:55 +0100, David Gerard a écrit : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-01-02/Interview Thank you, I will read it tomorow. However, consider the mobile interface. Copy-and-pasting a URL is considerably more difficult there. How would you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Benoit Landry
I regularly Tweet or (share on Facebook) diff, discussions, articles or other pages. I'm not sure an on-wiki button would necessarily augment the rate at which I post Wikipedia stuff on my social media accounts... , Salvidrim -Original Message- From: Daniel Zahn Sent: Thursday,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Matthew Roth
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org wrote: Note that desktop browsers are in some cases gaining similar capabilities; for instance Apple's Safari in latest versions includes a Share button similar to iOS's, with access to a couple hardcoded services. Nearly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread James Alexander
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 3:05 AM, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.org wrote: Le 2013-04-18 05:00, James Alexander a écrit : I tend to think that they can be incredibly useful and reader friendly. I've always found it a bit disappointing we don't have it as they are probably the