Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia is basically just another giant bureaucracy

2016-04-30 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Apr 29, 2016 11:20 PM, "Keegan Peterzell" wrote: > > Why is it that when we want to be critical of our internal movement > collaborators this list is the primary vehicle for personal insult from > micro-aggressions to outright hostility, {{cn}} > but this discussion is off-topic? Agreed, the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia is basically just another giant bureaucracy

2016-04-30 Thread
I thought Stephen's original post to this list was fine, and his voice is not one that we hear very often. Extended specific discussions about project policies or articles might be better on wikipedia-l or commons-l, but if we had a "rule" that you can never mention a specific topic on this list t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia is basically just another giant bureaucracy

2016-04-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When you restrict or (mis)direct this conversation to a specialist mailing list, you fail to understand what this is all about. It is exactly much of the discussion that happens on this mailing list by the people who are most heard where it becomes plain that the publication has a point. The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia is basically just another giant bureaucracy

2016-04-30 Thread Chris Keating
Is it just me that notices an irony when someone posts a message about Wikipedia being a bureaucracy, and there follows a discussion about whether the message was sent to the correct mailing list or not? ;) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: ht

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia is basically just another giant bureaucracy

2016-04-30 Thread Oliver Keyes
Chris, Yeah, all I meant with my email was 'discussing whether Wikipedia is a bureaucracy on *any* mailing list is likely to be further supporting evidence to the average journalist' and have, since waking up and scanning the new posts to the thread, reached pretty much the same state of...piqued

Re: [Wikimedia-l] wikinews has a NPOV policy derived from wikipedia, mamamia ...

2016-04-30 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 16-04-22 05:04 PM, quiddity wrote: >> > i hate that >> > signpost [7] cannot be read on mobiles because of formatting. > > Last discussed in November at > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/Archive_9#Mobile_view_not_great With luck, the work on https://phabricator.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia is basically just another giant bureaucracy

2016-04-30 Thread jytdog
That piece is abysmally bad "science journalism" (I can't even write it without scare quotes, it is so bad). To hell with it. Ignore it. The paper they are writing about (http://www.mdpi.com/1999-5903/8/2/14/html) is published in an MDPI open access journal; MDPI is borderline "predatory publish

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia is basically just another giant bureaucracy

2016-04-30 Thread jytdog
So many typos, sorry. ack. On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 2:09 PM, jytdog wrote: > That piece is abysmally bad "science journalism" (I can't even write it > without scare quotes, it is so bad). To hell with it. Ignore it. > > The paper they are writing about ( > http://www.mdpi.com/1999-5903/8/2/14/h