Good arguments,
Peter
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I agree with both views
Our brand is already on it in these cases, and yes it would be sending a
message - "We want you to risk your time and effort on our projects but we may
later decide to discard everything you worked for"
Cheers,
P
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The difference here being that it is not a professional system. If you mess
with the crowd the crowd does not generally go where you prefer it to, it goes
home.
Other potential contributors see what has been done, and decide not to waste
their efforts where outsiders can throw their work away. (
Hoi,
So it is ok to deny the minority that insists they are not?
Thanks,
GerardM
On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 at 08:32, Jennifer Pryor-Summers <
jennifer.pryorsumm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > You can't be a member of "The Wikipedia Movement".
> >
> >
> I suggest that this claimed impossibility is
Dear Wikimedians,
As you may have noticed, almost three weeks ago, the Wikimedia Summit 2019 (
w.wiki/38b) took place in Berlin.
Over three days, representatives from Wikimedia affiliates, the Wikimedia
Foundation, and three Wikimedia committees came together with members of
nine movement strateg
Wait, wait. The risk to shut down to get enough consensus to shut down a
project with an active community which is not systematically violating any
fundamental principle is zero.
Vito
Il giorno gio 18 apr 2019 alle ore 10:45 Peter Southwood <
peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> ha scritto:
> The diffe
Gerard
>
> So it is ok to deny the minority that insists they are not?
>
> I didn't say that at all. I merely suggest that the reality is that the
majority of volunteers take a certain view of themselves (that they are
Wikpedians first and foremost ), and that the ones who take a different
view o
Peter
Our brand is already on it in these cases, and yes it would be sending a
> message - "We want you to risk your time and effort on our projects but we
> may later decide to discard everything you worked for"
>
I don;t think "discard" is right. The message would be "... but if it
doesn't wor
With respect to popularity per Alexa:
Wikipedia is 5th
Wikimedia is 276 (includes both Commons and Wikispecies)
Wiktionary is 432
Wikibooks is 1,892
Wikisource is 2,790
Wikiquote is 3,953
Wikidata is 8,848
Wikiversity is 9,372 (includes Wiki Journals)
Wikivoyage is 14,850
Wikinews is 60,829
There
James
Readership and writership -- to coin a phrase -- aren't the same thing.
English-language Wikipedia may be the fifth-most visited website in the
world, but it has major problems, for example, over a million un- or
badly-referenced articles, as revealed in a recent WMF Research paper and
blogp
On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 7:33 PM James Heilman wrote:
> With respect to popularity per Alexa:
>
> Wikipedia is 5th
> Wikimedia is 276 (includes both Commons and Wikispecies)
> Wiktionary is 432
> Wikibooks is 1,892
> Wikisource is 2,790
> Wikiquote is 3,953
> Wikidata is 8,848
> Wikiversity is 9,3
Jennifer,
So you did not say it because you did not do the researce but when a
minority of our community does not identify themselves as "Wikipedians" it
does not matter. Sorry, but that is EXACTLY what I said. What you indicate
is that a minority may be ignored. Why else do "the research" but to
p
Hoi,
"your time and effort" is for those other people to waste. It is for them
to decide what value they derive from spending it in this way. "our
donations", donations is what donors offer. Once they have donated, it
becomes the money of the Wikimedia Foundation. It is not our donations, it
is not
Gerard,
I'm not advocating ignoring anyone. Decisions have to be made and they
will be made by the Foundation. The best decisions will be made when they
consult the community. It may be that the decision that they eventually
take will be for a course of action supported by the majority, or it m
Gerard,
Not everything works out -- that's the way of the world. Your argument
would imply that no project that had ever attracted anyone's time and
effort could ever be discontinued. That is unsustainable. The WMF has
limited resources and quite properly has to decide on priorities for
allocat
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