[Wikimedia-l] Re: Emerging human rights concern related to invasion of Ukraine

2022-03-14 Thread geni
On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 at 02:57, Ramzy Muliawan wrote: > I fail to see how *not* widely publishing the Human Rights Policy can help > better protect the human rights of Wikimedians, Because it avoids making the project an explicty activist one in that area. >particularly when we are now looking

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Emerging human rights concern related to invasion of Ukraine

2022-03-13 Thread Ramzy Muliawan
I fail to see how *not* widely publishing the Human Rights Policy can help better protect the human rights of Wikimedians, particularly when we are now looking at the dire and rapidly declining protection of the freedom of expression globally. We can debate how the implementation of this policy

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Emerging human rights concern related to invasion of Ukraine

2022-03-12 Thread geni
On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 15:11, Amir Sarabadani wrote: > > So you're saying if WMF didn't have a human rights policy, the user would > have not been arrested? The policy is not worth the paper its writen on so if it in any way makes things worse its a problem >Similar to the "fact" that no

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Emerging human rights concern related to invasion of Ukraine

2022-03-12 Thread effe iets anders
My thoughts go out to the communities struggling to keep doing their 'work'. It must be incredibly challenging to maintain a neutral encyclopedia in light of government censorship, split populations, threats and violence. I know WMF is trying hard to do the right thing for editors under threat,

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Emerging human rights concern related to invasion of Ukraine

2022-03-12 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Hi Amir, I'm pretty sure I didn't write that there should not be a policy in place and I also didn't mention the current arrests, so what exactly are you referring to? BR, Philip On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 15:11, Amir Sarabadani wrote: > So you're saying if WMF didn't have a human rights policy,

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Emerging human rights concern related to invasion of Ukraine

2022-03-12 Thread Amir Sarabadani
So you're saying if WMF didn't have a human rights policy, the user would have not been arrested? Similar to the "fact" that no Wikipedian has been arrested before the inception of the policy? What kind of logic is this? On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 3:18 PM Philip Kopetzky wrote: > This situation

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Emerging human rights concern related to invasion of Ukraine

2022-03-12 Thread Philip Kopetzky
This situation does raise the question why the WMF decided to widely publish a human rights policy that will make the Wikimedia projects appear in less of a neutral stance than before. The fact that this move will endanger volunteers was even acknowledged in the FAQs [1], but was just waived off

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Emerging human rights concern related to invasion of Ukraine

2022-03-12 Thread Pierre-Yves Beaudouin via Wikimedia-l
Thank you Maggie for your message. Let us know when the movement should communicate about this terrible news. I'm sure that a lot of affiliates would be happy to communicate on that topic, contact our governments and human rights NGOs, but we don't want to make things worse for Pessimist2006 and