[Wikimedia-l] Re: Emerging human rights concern related to invasion of Ukraine

[geni]

On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 at 02:57, Ramzy Muliawan  wrote:
> I fail to see how *not* widely publishing the Human Rights Policy can help 
> better protect the human rights of Wikimedians,

Because it avoids making the project an explicty activist one in that area.

>particularly when we are now looking at the dire and rapidly declining 
>protection of the freedom of expression globally.

Irrelivant unless the foundation has the strenght to enforce the
policy. Which it does not.

> We can debate how the implementation of this policy should look like,

How would that help with anything?

>but suggesting that it directly contribute making current situation worse is a 
>pretty disingenous take.

And that would be a strawman.
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Emerging human rights concern related to invasion of Ukraine

[Ramzy Muliawan]

I fail to see how *not* widely publishing the Human Rights Policy can help
better protect the human rights of Wikimedians, particularly when we are
now looking at the dire and rapidly declining protection of the freedom of
expression globally.

We can debate how the implementation of this policy should look like, but
suggesting that it directly contribute making current situation worse is a
pretty disingenous take.

On Sun, Mar 13, 2022, 12:43 geni  wrote:

> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 15:11, Amir Sarabadani  wrote:
> >
> > So you're saying if WMF didn't have a human rights policy, the user
> would have not been arrested?
>
> The policy is not worth the paper its writen on so if it in any way
> makes things worse its a problem
>
> >Similar to the "fact" that no Wikipedian has been arrested before the
> inception of the policy?
>
> The Pierre-sur-Haute thing? Not sure the foundation managed much there
> either.
>
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Emerging human rights concern related to invasion of Ukraine

[geni]

On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 15:11, Amir Sarabadani  wrote:
>
> So you're saying if WMF didn't have a human rights policy, the user would 
> have not been arrested?

The policy is not worth the paper its writen on so if it in any way
makes things worse its a problem

>Similar to the "fact" that no Wikipedian has been arrested before the 
>inception of the policy?

The Pierre-sur-Haute thing? Not sure the foundation managed much there either.


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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Emerging human rights concern related to invasion of Ukraine

[effe iets anders]

My thoughts go out to the communities struggling to keep doing their
'work'. It must be incredibly challenging to maintain a neutral
encyclopedia in light of government censorship, split populations, threats
and violence.

I know WMF is trying hard to do the right thing for editors under threat,
and I hope that the worldwide community can do whatever it can, to assist
the communities in these countries to function somewhat. I don't know how
myself (+1 to Pierre-Yves), but I hope at least that displaced Wikimedians
(be it from Belarus, Russia or Ukraine) feel comfortable to contact
affiliates and other Wikimedian groups in their new location for practical
and moral support.

A very practical consideration: I understand that the Russian community is
suppressing history of sensitive articles. I imagine that some features
around this kind of 'emergency obscurity' that go well outside our normal
scope of operation might be considered more of a priority to develop right
now.

Best,
Lodewijk

On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 3:02 AM Pierre-Yves Beaudouin via Wikimedia-l <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Thank you Maggie for your message.
>
> Let us know when the movement should communicate about this terrible news.
> I'm sure that a lot of affiliates would be happy to communicate on that
> topic, contact our governments and human rights NGOs, but we don't want to
> make things worse for Pessimist2006 and others editors living in Belarus,
> Russia and Ukraine.
>
> Best regards,
> --
> *Pierre-Yves Beaudouin*
> *Membre du conseil d'administration*
> *-*
> *WIKIMEDIA FRANCE*
> Association pour le libre partage de la connaissance
> *www.wikimedia.fr *
> *28 rue de Londres, 75009 PARIS*
> 
>
> Le 2022-03-11 22:45, Maggie Dennis a écrit :
>
> Hello, all.
>
> I’m writing to update you all on an emerging human rights concern related
> to the invasion of Ukraine. We are concerned that an effort is being made
> to identify Wikipedia editors whose activities are seen as opposing the
> Russian narrative of the war.
>
> I wanted to let you know that we are aware, we are monitoring, and we are
> acting in various ways already. While we cannot discuss the details for the
> safety of all involved, over a year ago, we hired a Human Rights Lead
>  with experience in
> individual safety to help us with such situations. This includes
> partnerships with allied organizations experienced in human rights
> interventions as well as connecting with appropriate community groups and
> functionaries to provide safety support. We care about the safety of
> Wikimedians, and I know that you do, too. We have heard as much from many
> of you directly.
>
> I want to take this opportunity to raise your awareness of the need to
> protect yourselves and each other online. It’s such a cliche that I’m
> almost hesitant to write it, but in this world, sharing information is
> sometimes a radical act. Because of this, we ask you all to please be aware
> of what information you share about yourself on Wikimedia platforms and how
> your Wikimedia activities can be connected to your personal identity. Some
> Wikimedians have chosen to operate transparently. Others have chosen to
> operate under pseudonyms. Whatever path you’ve chosen, there are best
> practices for your personal protection. Some guidance has been gathered
> here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Voices_under_Threat
>
> At the same time as I share these recommendations, I want to firmly assert
> that all who try to get people vital information in times of crisis -
> whether Wikimedian or otherwise - should be celebrated. At the core of our
> movement is the belief that knowledge belongs to everyone, and the
> Foundation is firmly against efforts by anyone to stand in the way of the
> flow of verifiable information in whatever forum it is shared. I believe,
> as is the way with all Wikimedians, that the path to a better world is to
> ensure people everywhere have access to knowledge, and that we, as
> collective societies, should provide them the tools to assess the accuracy
> of the information they encounter. Censorship is not the solution.
>
> If you have information to share about this situation or about other
> potential threats of persecution to the safety of Wikimedia volunteers due
> to their good faith contributions to the projects, please share with
> talktohumanrig...@wikimedia.org. The team is quite busy and may not be
> able to respond to all communications because of that, but they do read
> them, and your emails do matter.
>
> I wish the best for all of you who read this and for all seekers of
> information and sharers of information in Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, and
> beyond. We will share updates of the situation here as we are able within
> the framework of prioritizing people’s 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Emerging human rights concern related to invasion of Ukraine

[Philip Kopetzky]

Hi Amir,

I'm pretty sure I didn't write that there should not be a policy in place
and I also didn't mention the current arrests, so what exactly are you
referring to?

BR, Philip

On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 15:11, Amir Sarabadani  wrote:

> So you're saying if WMF didn't have a human rights policy, the user would
> have not been arrested? Similar to the "fact" that no Wikipedian has been
> arrested before the inception of the policy?
>
> What kind of logic is this?
>
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 3:18 PM Philip Kopetzky 
> wrote:
>
>> This situation does raise the question why the WMF decided to widely
>> publish a human rights policy that will make the Wikimedia projects appear
>> in less of a neutral stance than before.
>>
>> The fact that this move will endanger volunteers was even acknowledged in
>> the FAQs [1], but was just waived off as something that will have little
>> impact. It should be clear by now that the WMF is not in a position to
>> protect those it endangers adequatly, so it might be worthwile in the
>> future to have a less US-centric approach to social topics. It doesn't mean
>> that such a policy shouldn't exist - but the WMF should be aware that
>> announcing this policy on all possible media channels can't be the right
>> approach if it doesn't want to make volunteers' work even more difficult
>> and dangerous.
>>
>> [1]:
>> https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Human_Rights_Policy/Frequently_asked_questions#Does_this_policy_inadvertently_expose_volunteers_to_greater_risk
>> ?
>>
>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 11:02, Pierre-Yves Beaudouin via Wikimedia-l <
>> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Maggie for your message.
>>>
>>> Let us know when the movement should communicate about this terrible
>>> news. I'm sure that a lot of affiliates would be happy to communicate on
>>> that topic, contact our governments and human rights NGOs, but we don't
>>> want to make things worse for Pessimist2006 and others editors living in
>>> Belarus, Russia and Ukraine.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> --
>>> *Pierre-Yves Beaudouin*
>>> *Membre du conseil d'administration*
>>>
>>> *-*
>>> *WIKIMEDIA FRANCE*
>>> Association pour le libre partage de la connaissance
>>> *www.wikimedia.fr *
>>> *28 rue de Londres, 75009 PARIS*
>>> 
>>>
>>> Le 2022-03-11 22:45, Maggie Dennis a écrit :
>>>
>>> Hello, all.
>>>
>>> I’m writing to update you all on an emerging human rights concern
>>> related to the invasion of Ukraine. We are concerned that an effort is
>>> being made to identify Wikipedia editors whose activities are seen as
>>> opposing the Russian narrative of the war.
>>>
>>> I wanted to let you know that we are aware, we are monitoring, and we
>>> are acting in various ways already. While we cannot discuss the details for
>>> the safety of all involved, over a year ago, we hired a Human Rights
>>> Lead  with
>>> experience in individual safety to help us with such situations. This
>>> includes partnerships with allied organizations experienced in human rights
>>> interventions as well as connecting with appropriate community groups and
>>> functionaries to provide safety support. We care about the safety of
>>> Wikimedians, and I know that you do, too. We have heard as much from many
>>> of you directly.
>>>
>>> I want to take this opportunity to raise your awareness of the need to
>>> protect yourselves and each other online. It’s such a cliche that I’m
>>> almost hesitant to write it, but in this world, sharing information is
>>> sometimes a radical act. Because of this, we ask you all to please be aware
>>> of what information you share about yourself on Wikimedia platforms and how
>>> your Wikimedia activities can be connected to your personal identity. Some
>>> Wikimedians have chosen to operate transparently. Others have chosen to
>>> operate under pseudonyms. Whatever path you’ve chosen, there are best
>>> practices for your personal protection. Some guidance has been gathered
>>> here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Voices_under_Threat
>>>
>>> At the same time as I share these recommendations, I want to firmly
>>> assert that all who try to get people vital information in times of crisis
>>> - whether Wikimedian or otherwise - should be celebrated. At the core of
>>> our movement is the belief that knowledge belongs to everyone, and the
>>> Foundation is firmly against efforts by anyone to stand in the way of the
>>> flow of verifiable information in whatever forum it is shared. I believe,
>>> as is the way with all Wikimedians, that the path to a better world is to
>>> ensure people everywhere have access to knowledge, and that we, as
>>> collective societies, should provide them the tools to assess the accuracy
>>> of the information they encounter. Censorship is not the solution.
>>>
>>> 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Emerging human rights concern related to invasion of Ukraine

[Amir Sarabadani]

So you're saying if WMF didn't have a human rights policy, the user would
have not been arrested? Similar to the "fact" that no Wikipedian has been
arrested before the inception of the policy?

What kind of logic is this?

On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 3:18 PM Philip Kopetzky 
wrote:

> This situation does raise the question why the WMF decided to widely
> publish a human rights policy that will make the Wikimedia projects appear
> in less of a neutral stance than before.
>
> The fact that this move will endanger volunteers was even acknowledged in
> the FAQs [1], but was just waived off as something that will have little
> impact. It should be clear by now that the WMF is not in a position to
> protect those it endangers adequatly, so it might be worthwile in the
> future to have a less US-centric approach to social topics. It doesn't mean
> that such a policy shouldn't exist - but the WMF should be aware that
> announcing this policy on all possible media channels can't be the right
> approach if it doesn't want to make volunteers' work even more difficult
> and dangerous.
>
> [1]:
> https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Human_Rights_Policy/Frequently_asked_questions#Does_this_policy_inadvertently_expose_volunteers_to_greater_risk
> ?
>
> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 11:02, Pierre-Yves Beaudouin via Wikimedia-l <
> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Maggie for your message.
>>
>> Let us know when the movement should communicate about this terrible
>> news. I'm sure that a lot of affiliates would be happy to communicate on
>> that topic, contact our governments and human rights NGOs, but we don't
>> want to make things worse for Pessimist2006 and others editors living in
>> Belarus, Russia and Ukraine.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> --
>> *Pierre-Yves Beaudouin*
>> *Membre du conseil d'administration*
>>
>> *-*
>> *WIKIMEDIA FRANCE*
>> Association pour le libre partage de la connaissance
>> *www.wikimedia.fr *
>> *28 rue de Londres, 75009 PARIS*
>> 
>>
>> Le 2022-03-11 22:45, Maggie Dennis a écrit :
>>
>> Hello, all.
>>
>> I’m writing to update you all on an emerging human rights concern related
>> to the invasion of Ukraine. We are concerned that an effort is being made
>> to identify Wikipedia editors whose activities are seen as opposing the
>> Russian narrative of the war.
>>
>> I wanted to let you know that we are aware, we are monitoring, and we are
>> acting in various ways already. While we cannot discuss the details for the
>> safety of all involved, over a year ago, we hired a Human Rights Lead
>>  with experience in
>> individual safety to help us with such situations. This includes
>> partnerships with allied organizations experienced in human rights
>> interventions as well as connecting with appropriate community groups and
>> functionaries to provide safety support. We care about the safety of
>> Wikimedians, and I know that you do, too. We have heard as much from many
>> of you directly.
>>
>> I want to take this opportunity to raise your awareness of the need to
>> protect yourselves and each other online. It’s such a cliche that I’m
>> almost hesitant to write it, but in this world, sharing information is
>> sometimes a radical act. Because of this, we ask you all to please be aware
>> of what information you share about yourself on Wikimedia platforms and how
>> your Wikimedia activities can be connected to your personal identity. Some
>> Wikimedians have chosen to operate transparently. Others have chosen to
>> operate under pseudonyms. Whatever path you’ve chosen, there are best
>> practices for your personal protection. Some guidance has been gathered
>> here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Voices_under_Threat
>>
>> At the same time as I share these recommendations, I want to firmly
>> assert that all who try to get people vital information in times of crisis
>> - whether Wikimedian or otherwise - should be celebrated. At the core of
>> our movement is the belief that knowledge belongs to everyone, and the
>> Foundation is firmly against efforts by anyone to stand in the way of the
>> flow of verifiable information in whatever forum it is shared. I believe,
>> as is the way with all Wikimedians, that the path to a better world is to
>> ensure people everywhere have access to knowledge, and that we, as
>> collective societies, should provide them the tools to assess the accuracy
>> of the information they encounter. Censorship is not the solution.
>>
>> If you have information to share about this situation or about other
>> potential threats of persecution to the safety of Wikimedia volunteers due
>> to their good faith contributions to the projects, please share with
>> talktohumanrig...@wikimedia.org. The team is quite busy and may not be
>> able to respond to all communications 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Emerging human rights concern related to invasion of Ukraine

[Philip Kopetzky]

This situation does raise the question why the WMF decided to widely
publish a human rights policy that will make the Wikimedia projects appear
in less of a neutral stance than before.

The fact that this move will endanger volunteers was even acknowledged in
the FAQs [1], but was just waived off as something that will have little
impact. It should be clear by now that the WMF is not in a position to
protect those it endangers adequatly, so it might be worthwile in the
future to have a less US-centric approach to social topics. It doesn't mean
that such a policy shouldn't exist - but the WMF should be aware that
announcing this policy on all possible media channels can't be the right
approach if it doesn't want to make volunteers' work even more difficult
and dangerous.

[1]:
https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Human_Rights_Policy/Frequently_asked_questions#Does_this_policy_inadvertently_expose_volunteers_to_greater_risk
?

On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 11:02, Pierre-Yves Beaudouin via Wikimedia-l <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Thank you Maggie for your message.
>
> Let us know when the movement should communicate about this terrible news.
> I'm sure that a lot of affiliates would be happy to communicate on that
> topic, contact our governments and human rights NGOs, but we don't want to
> make things worse for Pessimist2006 and others editors living in Belarus,
> Russia and Ukraine.
>
> Best regards,
> --
> *Pierre-Yves Beaudouin*
> *Membre du conseil d'administration*
> *-*
> *WIKIMEDIA FRANCE*
> Association pour le libre partage de la connaissance
> *www.wikimedia.fr *
> *28 rue de Londres, 75009 PARIS*
> 
>
> Le 2022-03-11 22:45, Maggie Dennis a écrit :
>
> Hello, all.
>
> I’m writing to update you all on an emerging human rights concern related
> to the invasion of Ukraine. We are concerned that an effort is being made
> to identify Wikipedia editors whose activities are seen as opposing the
> Russian narrative of the war.
>
> I wanted to let you know that we are aware, we are monitoring, and we are
> acting in various ways already. While we cannot discuss the details for the
> safety of all involved, over a year ago, we hired a Human Rights Lead
>  with experience in
> individual safety to help us with such situations. This includes
> partnerships with allied organizations experienced in human rights
> interventions as well as connecting with appropriate community groups and
> functionaries to provide safety support. We care about the safety of
> Wikimedians, and I know that you do, too. We have heard as much from many
> of you directly.
>
> I want to take this opportunity to raise your awareness of the need to
> protect yourselves and each other online. It’s such a cliche that I’m
> almost hesitant to write it, but in this world, sharing information is
> sometimes a radical act. Because of this, we ask you all to please be aware
> of what information you share about yourself on Wikimedia platforms and how
> your Wikimedia activities can be connected to your personal identity. Some
> Wikimedians have chosen to operate transparently. Others have chosen to
> operate under pseudonyms. Whatever path you’ve chosen, there are best
> practices for your personal protection. Some guidance has been gathered
> here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Voices_under_Threat
>
> At the same time as I share these recommendations, I want to firmly assert
> that all who try to get people vital information in times of crisis -
> whether Wikimedian or otherwise - should be celebrated. At the core of our
> movement is the belief that knowledge belongs to everyone, and the
> Foundation is firmly against efforts by anyone to stand in the way of the
> flow of verifiable information in whatever forum it is shared. I believe,
> as is the way with all Wikimedians, that the path to a better world is to
> ensure people everywhere have access to knowledge, and that we, as
> collective societies, should provide them the tools to assess the accuracy
> of the information they encounter. Censorship is not the solution.
>
> If you have information to share about this situation or about other
> potential threats of persecution to the safety of Wikimedia volunteers due
> to their good faith contributions to the projects, please share with
> talktohumanrig...@wikimedia.org. The team is quite busy and may not be
> able to respond to all communications because of that, but they do read
> them, and your emails do matter.
>
> I wish the best for all of you who read this and for all seekers of
> information and sharers of information in Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, and
> beyond. We will share updates of the situation here as we are able within
> the framework of prioritizing people’s safety. In the meantime, I’d like to
> take the 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Emerging human rights concern related to invasion of Ukraine

[Pierre-Yves Beaudouin via Wikimedia-l]

Thank you Maggie for your message.

Let us know when the movement
should communicate about this terrible news. I'm sure that a lot of
affiliates would be happy to communicate on that topic, contact our
governments and human rights NGOs, but we don't want to make things
worse for Pessimist2006 and others editors living in Belarus, Russia and
Ukraine. 

Best regards,

-- 
PIERRE-YVES BEAUDOUIN 
_MEMBRE DU CONSEIL
D'ADMINISTRATION_

_-_

WIKIMEDIA FRANCE
Association pour le libre partage de la
connaissance
_WWW.WIKIMEDIA.FR [4]_ 
_28 rue de Londres, 75009 PARIS_
[5] 

Le 2022-03-11 22:45, Maggie Dennis a écrit :

> Hello, all. 
> 
>
I'm writing to update you all on an emerging human rights concern
related to the invasion of Ukraine. We are concerned that an effort is
being made to identify Wikipedia editors whose activities are seen as
opposing the Russian narrative of the war. 
> 
> I wanted to let you
know that we are aware, we are monitoring, and we are acting in various
ways already. While we cannot discuss the details for the safety of all
involved, over a year ago, we hired a Human Rights Lead [1] with
experience in individual safety to help us with such situations. This
includes partnerships with allied organizations experienced in human
rights interventions as well as connecting with appropriate community
groups and functionaries to provide safety support. We care about the
safety of Wikimedians, and I know that you do, too. We have heard as
much from many of you directly. 
> 
> I want to take this opportunity to
raise your awareness of the need to protect yourselves and each other
online. It's such a cliche that I'm almost hesitant to write it, but in
this world, sharing information is sometimes a radical act. Because of
this, we ask you all to please be aware of what information you share
about yourself on Wikimedia platforms and how your Wikimedia activities
can be connected to your personal identity. Some Wikimedians have chosen
to operate transparently. Others have chosen to operate under
pseudonyms. Whatever path you've chosen, there are best practices for
your personal protection. Some guidance has been gathered here:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Voices_under_Threat [2] 
> 
> At the
same time as I share these recommendations, I want to firmly assert that
all who try to get people vital information in times of crisis - whether
Wikimedian or otherwise - should be celebrated. At the core of our
movement is the belief that knowledge belongs to everyone, and the
Foundation is firmly against efforts by anyone to stand in the way of
the flow of verifiable information in whatever forum it is shared. I
believe, as is the way with all Wikimedians, that the path to a better
world is to ensure people everywhere have access to knowledge, and that
we, as collective societies, should provide them the tools to assess the
accuracy of the information they encounter. Censorship is not the
solution. 
> 
> If you have information to share about this situation or
about other potential threats of persecution to the safety of Wikimedia
volunteers due to their good faith contributions to the projects, please
share with talktohumanrig...@wikimedia.org. The team is quite busy and
may not be able to respond to all communications because of that, but
they do read them, and your emails do matter. 
> 
> I wish the best for
all of you who read this and for all seekers of information and sharers
of information in Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, and beyond. We will share
updates of the situation here as we are able within the framework of
prioritizing people's safety. In the meantime, I'd like to take the
opportunity to highlight the efforts of some Wikimedians related to the
invasion of Ukraine [3].  
> 
> Warm regards, 
> 
> Maggie 
> -- 
> 
>
Maggie Dennis 
> She/her/hers 
> Vice President, Community Resilience &
Sustainability
> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 
> 
>
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[3]
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