Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] WMF Board of Trustees: Minutes of January 2014 meeting

2014-04-21 Thread phoebe ayers 
Hi Mike,

Sure. Both were open discussions, and no decisions were taken or specific
proposals developed. And neither topic is in any way limited to being a
"board discussion": both are broad-ranging topics concerning all of us. We
took these up to, as a board, have some time to step back and think about
big-picture issues.

The "disruption" discussion was largely focused around talking about
potential threats and "disruptions" to our future. These are both current
trends that we see happening and potential things that could happen that
would impact the sustainability and future of Wikipedia and the other
Wikimedia projects. For instance: the rise of mobile impacting how people
access the sites. Young people in school taking Wikipedia for granted
because they've never known anything different (and not realizing they can
help out too). We don't do anything about making video easier to use, and
so we miss out on a whole class of educational material. A competitor could
build a reading and/or editing interface that is far superior to ours,
causing a fork in readers or editors. The rise of more SOPA-like bills
could make our operating environment untenable. (These are just topics that
were raised that I remember off the top of my head, not a complete list).

The discussion was wide-ranging, inconclusive, and was meant to help us
think about risks that could impact the direction of WMF activities as well
as a kind of strategic planning warm-up.

The community council was not a long discussion, and was similarly
inconclusive; it was mostly along the lines of what Lodewijk said, that
this seems to be a need that is long-standing in our community. Other
trustees may have more details to add :)

best,
-- phoebe


On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 12:49 PM, Michael Peel  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Stephen, thanks for posting this. :-)
>
> From my perspective, there's two items of particular interest here that I
> haven't seen discussed on this list or elsewhere - namely "Disrupting the
> disrupters" and "Community council". The board minutes aren't really
> sufficient to understand the details of what the WMF board members are
> thinking about with these topics, so I'd like to ask the WMF board members
> if they would be willing to share their understanding of what these topics
> entail either here or on-wiki please?
>
> (BTW, in general I'm much more in favour of seeing detailed minutes that
> explain what was discussed, why it was discussed, and what individual
> people thought, rather than high-level summary minutes that say what was
> discussed without explaining the details. The [[Five Ws]] and the
> additional 'how' are an excellent guide here!)
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> On 21 Apr 2014, at 20:14, Stephen LaPorte  wrote:
>
> > At the request of the WMF Board of Trustees, I am posting the minutes of
> the January 31 - February 1, 2014 meeting, which you may find here:
> >
> > https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/2014-01-31
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Stephen LaPorte
> > Legal Counsel
> > Wikimedia Foundation
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] WMF Board of Trustees: Minutes of January 2014 meeting

2014-04-21 Thread Lodewijk 
Thanks for sharing indeed!

I find the community council idea very interesting (some might recall that
proposals have surfaced over time that could be covered by such a name).

Given the topic, I'm going to assume here that this topic will be brought
up for community discussion before anything like a decision will be taken
:) I think an organized way to facilitate community discussion beyond the
mailing list we're writing on now, and simple fora like meta pages, would
be very welcome and could result in more constructive input of high
quality.

Best,
Lodewijk


2014-04-21 21:49 GMT+02:00 Michael Peel :

> Hi all,
>
> Stephen, thanks for posting this. :-)
>
> From my perspective, there's two items of particular interest here that I
> haven't seen discussed on this list or elsewhere - namely "Disrupting the
> disrupters" and "Community council". The board minutes aren't really
> sufficient to understand the details of what the WMF board members are
> thinking about with these topics, so I'd like to ask the WMF board members
> if they would be willing to share their understanding of what these topics
> entail either here or on-wiki please?
>
> (BTW, in general I'm much more in favour of seeing detailed minutes that
> explain what was discussed, why it was discussed, and what individual
> people thought, rather than high-level summary minutes that say what was
> discussed without explaining the details. The [[Five Ws]] and the
> additional 'how' are an excellent guide here!)
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> On 21 Apr 2014, at 20:14, Stephen LaPorte  wrote:
>
> > At the request of the WMF Board of Trustees, I am posting the minutes of
> the January 31 - February 1, 2014 meeting, which you may find here:
> >
> > https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/2014-01-31
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Stephen LaPorte
> > Legal Counsel
> > Wikimedia Foundation
> >
> > For legal reasons, I may only serve as an attorney for the Wikimedia
> Foundation. This means I may not give legal advice to or serve as a lawyer
> for community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal
> capacity.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] WMF Board of Trustees: Minutes of January 2014 meeting

2014-04-21 Thread Michael Peel 
Hi all,

Stephen, thanks for posting this. :-)

From my perspective, there's two items of particular interest here that I 
haven't seen discussed on this list or elsewhere - namely "Disrupting the 
disrupters" and "Community council". The board minutes aren't really sufficient 
to understand the details of what the WMF board members are thinking about with 
these topics, so I'd like to ask the WMF board members if they would be willing 
to share their understanding of what these topics entail either here or on-wiki 
please?

(BTW, in general I'm much more in favour of seeing detailed minutes that 
explain what was discussed, why it was discussed, and what individual people 
thought, rather than high-level summary minutes that say what was discussed 
without explaining the details. The [[Five Ws]] and the additional 'how' are an 
excellent guide here!)

Thanks,
Mike

On 21 Apr 2014, at 20:14, Stephen LaPorte  wrote:

> At the request of the WMF Board of Trustees, I am posting the minutes of the 
> January 31 - February 1, 2014 meeting, which you may find here:
> 
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/2014-01-31
> 
> Best,
> 
> Stephen LaPorte
> Legal Counsel
> Wikimedia Foundation
> 
> For legal reasons, I may only serve as an attorney for the Wikimedia 
> Foundation. This means I may not give legal advice to or serve as a lawyer 
> for community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal 
> capacity.
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