Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the Netherlands; informing the donors

2014-12-08 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo) 

Gerard Meijssen, 07/12/2014 13:11:

At the time I learned that there is the possibility of an European tax
status. I do remember that it took several years of financial statements.
This is something we can easily provide


We already do: that's what local chapters are for. WMF is not based in 
EU and requiring EU seat is not unlawful. That said, if WMF wants to 
apply for fiscal benefits in more EU countries, I'm sure many of us can 
help pro bono.


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the Netherlands; informing the donors

2014-12-08 Thread Gerard Meijssen 
Hoi,
At the time I learned that it is possible to have an EC wide status. While
local tax laws differ, it only takes one effort to have such an EC status.
Nothing was done at the time, that was/is an annoyance.

My hope is that this status will be established so that our donors can
benefit according to their local laws.
Thanks,
 GerardM

On 8 December 2014 at 09:14, Jan-Bart de Vreede 
wrote:

> Hey
>
> Another minor correction with a large impact. The first 60 euro, or 1% of
> your gross income,  (crude translation of Drempelinkomen, but it will do
> for the sake of the argument), whichever is higher, does not count as
> deductible...
>
> Realistically this means that for people donating any money, it usually
> comes down to the fact that the first several hundred Euro’s donated each
> year (cumulatively) are NOT tax deductible. An exception would be a
> “periodical” gift which is documented.
>
> But overall: its complex and the amount you need to donate to charities is
> relatively high, and most people cannot take advantage of it because of
> this reason.
>
> I would guess that the ANBI status only really affects large donors… but
> it never hurts to advertise our ANBI status :) (personal opinion)
>
> Jan-Bart
>
> PS: http://www.belastingdienst.nl/rekenhulpen/giften/ <
> http://www.belastingdienst.nl/rekenhulpen/giften/> (only seems to be
> available in dutch)
>
> > On 07 Dec 2014, at 11:23, Lodewijk  wrote:
> >
> > Minor correction: this system in the Netherlands works the other way
> > around: donors can get back a part of their donation through their tax
> > reduction - it is not that the charity gets a bonus.
> >
> > Interestingly, the Wikimedia Foundation has obtained this status (ANBI)
> in
> > the Netherlands at the urging of the chapter several years ago
> (2010/2011).
> > However, for some reason the WMF chooses not to advertize this (not so
> > obvious) fact on the donation home page; which means that the donors are
> > unaware that they can donate and get this reduction of their taxes
> (indeed
> > up to 50% of the donation amount!). This is mindboggling to me - it
> should
> > be an easy fix.
> >
> > Lodewijk
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Gerard Meijssen <
> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hoi,
> >> A similar possibility is in existence in the Netherlands... National
> >> charities can easily get such a status. It is possible for international
> >> organisations but it is more difficult..
> >>
> >> In order to optimise fundraisers it is extremely relevant that we
> optimise
> >> it for our donors. That makes it very much in need of local efforts.
> >>
> >> As it is we lose 50% of the giftst of our donors in the Netherlands to
> the
> >> taxman.
> >> Thanks,
> >> GerardM
> >>
> >> On 4 December 2014 at 22:10, Andy Mabbett 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I've split this from a more general thread, for convenience...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 3 December 2014 at 01:16, Megan Hernandez  >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  Starting today, banners are being shown to 100% of anonymous readers
> on
>  English Wikipedia in the US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
> >>>
> >>> How much money do we expect to raise (or did we last year), from the
> >>> UK? How much of the money raised from the UK will attract "Gift
> >>> Aid"[*] tax releif?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> [* Gift AId is a UK scheme where the government gives, to a charity,
> >>> tax paid by a  donor. For every £80 such a donor gives, the charty
> >>> would receive £100]
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Andy Mabbett
> >>> @pigsonthewing
> >>> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the Netherlands; informing the donors

2014-12-08 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede 
Hey

Another minor correction with a large impact. The first 60 euro, or 1% of your 
gross income,  (crude translation of Drempelinkomen, but it will do for the 
sake of the argument), whichever is higher, does not count as deductible...

Realistically this means that for people donating any money, it usually comes 
down to the fact that the first several hundred Euro’s donated each year 
(cumulatively) are NOT tax deductible. An exception would be a “periodical” 
gift which is documented.

But overall: its complex and the amount you need to donate to charities is 
relatively high, and most people cannot take advantage of it because of this 
reason. 

I would guess that the ANBI status only really affects large donors… but it 
never hurts to advertise our ANBI status :) (personal opinion)

Jan-Bart
 
PS: http://www.belastingdienst.nl/rekenhulpen/giften/ 
 (only seems to be available 
in dutch)

> On 07 Dec 2014, at 11:23, Lodewijk  wrote:
> 
> Minor correction: this system in the Netherlands works the other way
> around: donors can get back a part of their donation through their tax
> reduction - it is not that the charity gets a bonus.
> 
> Interestingly, the Wikimedia Foundation has obtained this status (ANBI) in
> the Netherlands at the urging of the chapter several years ago (2010/2011).
> However, for some reason the WMF chooses not to advertize this (not so
> obvious) fact on the donation home page; which means that the donors are
> unaware that they can donate and get this reduction of their taxes (indeed
> up to 50% of the donation amount!). This is mindboggling to me - it should
> be an easy fix.
> 
> Lodewijk
> 
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Gerard Meijssen 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hoi,
>> A similar possibility is in existence in the Netherlands... National
>> charities can easily get such a status. It is possible for international
>> organisations but it is more difficult..
>> 
>> In order to optimise fundraisers it is extremely relevant that we optimise
>> it for our donors. That makes it very much in need of local efforts.
>> 
>> As it is we lose 50% of the giftst of our donors in the Netherlands to the
>> taxman.
>> Thanks,
>> GerardM
>> 
>> On 4 December 2014 at 22:10, Andy Mabbett 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I've split this from a more general thread, for convenience...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3 December 2014 at 01:16, Megan Hernandez 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Starting today, banners are being shown to 100% of anonymous readers on
 English Wikipedia in the US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
>>> 
>>> How much money do we expect to raise (or did we last year), from the
>>> UK? How much of the money raised from the UK will attract "Gift
>>> Aid"[*] tax releif?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> [* Gift AId is a UK scheme where the government gives, to a charity,
>>> tax paid by a  donor. For every £80 such a donor gives, the charty
>>> would receive £100]
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Andy Mabbett
>>> @pigsonthewing
>>> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
>>> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the Netherlands; informing the donors

2014-12-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen 
Hoi,
It was intented as a rhetorical question... if the WMF is not contributing
to the general good who is, who qualifies ??

The main point is that the WMF took responsibility and is not aware of the
ball being in their corner.
Thanks,
 GerardM

On 7 December 2014 at 15:35, Cristian Consonni 
wrote:

> Il 07/Dic/2014 13:12 "Gerard Meijssen"  ha
> scritto:
> > This is something we can easily provide and also when the WMF does not
> > quality as an organisation that is intended for the public good who is.
>
> I don't understand this sentence, can you please rephrase?
>
> C
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the Netherlands; informing the donors

2014-12-07 Thread Cristian Consonni 
Il 07/Dic/2014 13:12 "Gerard Meijssen"  ha
scritto:
> This is something we can easily provide and also when the WMF does not
> quality as an organisation that is intended for the public good who is.

I don't understand this sentence, can you please rephrase?

C
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the Netherlands; informing the donors

2014-12-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen 
Hoi,
At the time I learned that there is the possibility of an European tax
status. I do remember that it took several years of financial statements.
This is something we can easily provide and also when the WMF does not
quality as an organisation that is intended for the public good who is.
Thanks,
 GerardM

Yes that means at least all of the European Community 

On 7 December 2014 at 12:46, Cristian Consonni 
wrote:

> 2014-12-07 11:23 GMT+01:00 Lodewijk :
> > Minor correction: this system in the Netherlands works the other way
> > around: donors can get back a part of their donation through their tax
> > reduction - it is not that the charity gets a bonus.
> >
> > Interestingly, the Wikimedia Foundation has obtained this status (ANBI)
> in
> > the Netherlands at the urging of the chapter several years ago
> (2010/2011).
> > However, for some reason the WMF chooses not to advertize this (not so
> > obvious) fact on the donation home page; which means that the donors are
> > unaware that they can donate and get this reduction of their taxes
> (indeed
> > up to 50% of the donation amount!). This is mindboggling to me - it
> should
> > be an easy fix.
>
> Strong +1.
> As an international movement who is fundraising globally this
> knowledge is (almost literally) gold.
>
> C
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the Netherlands; informing the donors

2014-12-07 Thread Cristian Consonni 
2014-12-07 11:23 GMT+01:00 Lodewijk :
> Minor correction: this system in the Netherlands works the other way
> around: donors can get back a part of their donation through their tax
> reduction - it is not that the charity gets a bonus.
>
> Interestingly, the Wikimedia Foundation has obtained this status (ANBI) in
> the Netherlands at the urging of the chapter several years ago (2010/2011).
> However, for some reason the WMF chooses not to advertize this (not so
> obvious) fact on the donation home page; which means that the donors are
> unaware that they can donate and get this reduction of their taxes (indeed
> up to 50% of the donation amount!). This is mindboggling to me - it should
> be an easy fix.

Strong +1.
As an international movement who is fundraising globally this
knowledge is (almost literally) gold.

C

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