On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 4:18 PM James Salsman wrote:
> > "Wikipedia should support any political movement that makes
> > people's lives better because they will then have more time to edit
> > Wikipedia," is an incredibly dubious line of reasoning. It would
> literally
> > cover anything in
> "Wikipedia should support any political movement that makes
> people's lives better because they will then have more time to edit
> Wikipedia," is an incredibly dubious line of reasoning. It would literally
> cover anything in politics
On the contrary, by definition, it would be restricted
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 1:21 PM wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:00 AM Bill Takatoshi
> wrote:
>
> > And again, I doubt even 5% of the long term editor base is opposed to
> > campaign finance reform
>
>
> I doubt even 5% of the long term editor base has any opinion on this
> “campaign finance
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:00 AM Bill Takatoshi
wrote:
> And again, I doubt even 5% of the long term editor base is opposed to
> campaign finance reform
I doubt even 5% of the long term editor base has any opinion on this
“campaign finance reform” (or, for the most part, know what that is). I
My point about NPOV was referring to article content, as the previous post
seemed to suggest that the WMF can and does try to influence articles
non-neutrally.
I don't understand your point about the Sustainability Initiative. To the
best of my knowledge, the Sustainability Initiative (which was
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 4:41 PM Yair Rand wrote:
>
> Neutral Point of View is a fundamental founding principle. Per the policy,
> NPOV "is non-negotiable, and the principles upon which it is based cannot
> be superseded by other policies or guidelines, nor by editor consensus." It
> may not be
@Smirkybec: Studying a certain country's history may, incidentally, make
readers think more highly of the country in question. That does not mean
that the goal of hosting the article is to make the country look good. It
also does not mean that "making the country look good" has become one of
the
Seeing as you decided to call me out specifically, that line of reasoning
falls apart when you note that WMF foundations funds and supports
initiatives that would been seen as supporting all of those examples you
gave:
- Wiki Loves Earth for animal sanctuaries, highlighting areas of natural
There's a tendency of people with an association with the Wikimedia
movement to see it as a hammer that can be swung at every nail. This is
embodied most perfectly in the e-mail by Rebecca O'Neil, who claims that if
WMF doesn't take a position on any issue (or every issue?), it is taking a
I totally agree with you, Shlomi.
Kind regards
Ziko
Am So., 26. Apr. 2020 um 17:02 Uhr schrieb Shlomi Fish <
shlo...@shlomifish.org>:
> Hi Rebecca and all,
>
> On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 17:11:55 +0100
> "Rebecca O'Neill" wrote:
>
> > Well said. Everything is political, and when the movement choses
"Is the Wikimedia movement political?"
For starters, some important points:
1. If you redefine a word to include "literally everything", you've defined
the word out of existence. The word becomes no longer useful for conveying
any information, and therefore, by any measure, you've simply made it
Very well put. S
On Sat., Apr. 25, 2020, 10:06 p.m. Gnangarra, wrote:
> Kaya
>
> From my perspective we have always been political, from the moment we
> started with the concept of Free Knowledge, Eduardo listed many of the
> aspects that go with it. We are doing so much more we want
Hi Rebecca and all,
On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 17:11:55 +0100
"Rebecca O'Neill" wrote:
> Well said. Everything is political, and when the movement choses not to
> speak out or state an opinion on something, then we are giving our support
> to the status quo.
>
> Believing yourself to be apolitical is
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 11:50 AM John Erling Blad wrote:
> It is said quite often that the Wikimedia-movement is apolitical.
I'm not sure I've seen anybody say that. I have seen people say that we
should avoid political activism or lobbying when it is not part of our core
mission, and that we
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Wikimedia-movement apolitical?
Greetings,
It is asked: "are we apolitical?" A spin-off question: "are we unbiased?"
On Wikipedia, we (are to) provide and serve knowledge/information, not any
particular view(s)
Thanks
Tito Dutta
On Sun, 26 Apr
Kaya
From my perspective we have always been political, from the moment we
started with the concept of Free Knowledge, Eduardo listed many of the
aspects that go with it. We are doing so much more we want
anyone/everyone to contribute regardless of social standing, we spend
millions on
Hi,
There isn't such a thing as just one politics, therefore, the subject line
question is really broad.
We are not apolitical about free knowledge, no doubt about that. On the
other hand, we as a movement can be or become apolitical in other political
fields. All this discussion, in my opinion,
Greetings,
It is asked: "are we apolitical?" A spin-off question: "are we unbiased?"
On Wikipedia, we (are to) provide and serve knowledge/information, not any
particular view(s)
Thanks
Tito Dutta
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 at 00:34, Chris Gates via Wikimedia-l <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
Agreed. There is no way to get around the fact that some people oppose our
message of free access to our projects for everyone, and the actions we
make in favor of that goal are often political.
However, there is a very large gap between publicly supporting such
policies as a less regulated
Absolutely agree with both. Everything we do in the wiki movement (as
everything we do in our whole life) has (also) a political meaning.
As we have certain goals and we take certain positions.
Camelia
--
*Camelia Boban*
*| Java EE Developer |*
*Affiliations Committee - **Wikimedia
Well said. Everything is political, and when the movement choses not to
speak out or state an opinion on something, then we are giving our support
to the status quo.
Believing yourself to be apolitical is as much a fantasy as being
completely objective, it is inherently impossible.
Rebecca
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