Re: [Wikimedia-l] Not all pixels are created equals: introducing brand new Wikimedia France's metrics

[Seb35]

Le Thu, 02 Apr 2015 01:26:07 +0200, Pine W  a écrit:

Dear Pierre-Selim,

I look forward to discussing this new metric at the Wikimedia Conference.

I might even take photographs of the deliberations and upload them to
Commons in order to improve my personal pixel metric.

Have you figured out a way to translate pixels into multiple languages?


Just walk accross streets or countries and show the pixels to different  
native speakers: you have translated the pixels. Be aware not to lost some  
pixels during the translation.


~ Seb35


I hope you will document the new pixel metric, and the methods for
measuring it, in the Learning Patterns Library.

Regards,
Pine
On Apr 1, 2015 12:59 PM, "Pierre-Selim"  wrote:


Dear movement fellows,

Impact is crucial for our movement, and although metrics will always be
imperfect, we must strive to reinvent ourselves and always come up with  
new
innovative ways of  measuring what we bring to the Wikimedia projects,  
to

free knowledge, and to human society.

Measuring impact regarding collections of media holds its own challenges
and although we have been focusing on this for a while now, much work  
still

lies ahead.

We were inspired by the “bytes added” metric, one of the pinnacles of
written content expansion measurement, which goes beyond mere edit  
count.

The same reasoning holds true for media:a puny upload count cannot come
close to the real awesomeness.

This is why, as we appreciate that size matters, Wikimedia France  
quality

commitee is proud to introduce its brand new set of metrics: the pixel
count and the quality pixel count − since quality is of firstmost
importance.

You may query the Pixel count metric for your FDC reports as part of our
wm-metrics webapp [1]

Furthermore, an implementation of these new metrics will also ship with  
our

new new (teasing!) product [2]

As of April 1st 2015 Wikimedia France has supported the upload on  
Wikimedia

Commons of:

   - 1 229 694 933 639 pixels [3]


   - among those pixels, 22 407 932 851 are quality pixels (18,223512%)  
[4]



This is only the beginning: next step is the measurement of cute pixels,
encyclopedic pixels and amazing pixels.

Confident in the relevance of these new indicators, we would be  
delighted

and honored to see the Pixel count integrated in the Global Metrics.

As always we welcome feedback, hugs and pull requests.

Sincerely,
For the quality committee of Wikimedia France
Caroline, Jean-Fred, Pierre-Selim and Petit Tigre

[1] https://tools.wmflabs.org/wm-metrics/fdc
[2]

https://github.com/Commonists/MediaCollectionDB/commit/4c2ab42f83e894c9dd317038ad025abdeb946f6e
[3] http://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/2882
[4] http://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/2886



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Not all pixels are created equals: introducing brand new Wikimedia France's metrics

[Pine W]

Dear Pierre-Selim,

I look forward to discussing this new metric at the Wikimedia Conference.

I might even take photographs of the deliberations and upload them to
Commons in order to improve my personal pixel metric.

Have you figured out a way to translate pixels into multiple languages?

I hope you will document the new pixel metric, and the methods for
measuring it, in the Learning Patterns Library.

Regards,
Pine
On Apr 1, 2015 12:59 PM, "Pierre-Selim"  wrote:

> Dear movement fellows,
>
> Impact is crucial for our movement, and although metrics will always be
> imperfect, we must strive to reinvent ourselves and always come up with new
> innovative ways of  measuring what we bring to the Wikimedia projects, to
> free knowledge, and to human society.
>
> Measuring impact regarding collections of media holds its own challenges
> and although we have been focusing on this for a while now, much work still
> lies ahead.
>
> We were inspired by the “bytes added” metric, one of the pinnacles of
> written content expansion measurement, which goes beyond mere edit count.
> The same reasoning holds true for media:a puny upload count cannot come
> close to the real awesomeness.
>
> This is why, as we appreciate that size matters, Wikimedia France quality
> commitee is proud to introduce its brand new set of metrics: the pixel
> count and the quality pixel count − since quality is of firstmost
> importance.
>
> You may query the Pixel count metric for your FDC reports as part of our
> wm-metrics webapp [1]
>
> Furthermore, an implementation of these new metrics will also ship with our
> new new (teasing!) product [2]
>
> As of April 1st 2015 Wikimedia France has supported the upload on Wikimedia
> Commons of:
>
>- 1 229 694 933 639 pixels [3]
>
>
>- among those pixels, 22 407 932 851 are quality pixels (18,223512%) [4]
>
>
> This is only the beginning: next step is the measurement of cute pixels,
> encyclopedic pixels and amazing pixels.
>
> Confident in the relevance of these new indicators, we would be delighted
> and honored to see the Pixel count integrated in the Global Metrics.
>
> As always we welcome feedback, hugs and pull requests.
>
> Sincerely,
> For the quality committee of Wikimedia France
> Caroline, Jean-Fred, Pierre-Selim and Petit Tigre
>
> [1] https://tools.wmflabs.org/wm-metrics/fdc
> [2]
>
> https://github.com/Commonists/MediaCollectionDB/commit/4c2ab42f83e894c9dd317038ad025abdeb946f6e
> [3] http://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/2882
> [4] http://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/2886
>
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Not all pixels are created equals: introducing brand new Wikimedia France's metrics

[rupert THURNER]

Lol j aime pierre selim!!
On Apr 1, 2015 11:52 PM, "Katherine Casey" 
wrote:

> Everybody always tries to get rid of the content pixels because they beat
> up the other pixels, but I tell you what, if you don't give those content
> creator pixels what they want they're going to take their RGB and go home
> and THEN where will your silly little projects be without any content
> pixels, hmm?
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Aleksey Bilogur  >
> wrote:
>
> > I love today.
> > On Apr 1, 2015 5:28 PM, "quiddity"  wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Marc A. Pelletier 
> > > wrote:
> > > > On 15-04-01 03:58 PM, Pierre-Selim wrote:
> > > >> This is only the beginning: next step is the measurement of cute
> > pixels,
> > > >> encyclopedic pixels and amazing pixels.
> > > >
> > > > That metric is all wrong, because it presumes that all pixels are
> > > > equally valuable.  Surely, you should be also assigning weights to
> > > > pixels depending on how much information they carry - background
> pixels
> > > > out of the FOV aren't worth as much!
> > > >
> > >
> > > I assume you mean "assigning *mass*" to the pixels. Weight is so
> > > Earth-centric!
> > >
> > > I would like to join the kawaii-pixel WikiProject. Please let me know
> > > when we start debating the relative merits of various color models,
> > > and naming conventions, and kawaii-challenged accessibility tools.
> > > Thanks!
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Not all pixels are created equals: introducing brand new Wikimedia France's metrics

[Katherine Casey]

Everybody always tries to get rid of the content pixels because they beat
up the other pixels, but I tell you what, if you don't give those content
creator pixels what they want they're going to take their RGB and go home
and THEN where will your silly little projects be without any content
pixels, hmm?

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Aleksey Bilogur 
wrote:

> I love today.
> On Apr 1, 2015 5:28 PM, "quiddity"  wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Marc A. Pelletier 
> > wrote:
> > > On 15-04-01 03:58 PM, Pierre-Selim wrote:
> > >> This is only the beginning: next step is the measurement of cute
> pixels,
> > >> encyclopedic pixels and amazing pixels.
> > >
> > > That metric is all wrong, because it presumes that all pixels are
> > > equally valuable.  Surely, you should be also assigning weights to
> > > pixels depending on how much information they carry - background pixels
> > > out of the FOV aren't worth as much!
> > >
> >
> > I assume you mean "assigning *mass*" to the pixels. Weight is so
> > Earth-centric!
> >
> > I would like to join the kawaii-pixel WikiProject. Please let me know
> > when we start debating the relative merits of various color models,
> > and naming conventions, and kawaii-challenged accessibility tools.
> > Thanks!
> >
> > -- quiddity
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Not all pixels are created equals: introducing brand new Wikimedia France's metrics

[Aleksey Bilogur]

I love today.
On Apr 1, 2015 5:28 PM, "quiddity"  wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Marc A. Pelletier 
> wrote:
> > On 15-04-01 03:58 PM, Pierre-Selim wrote:
> >> This is only the beginning: next step is the measurement of cute pixels,
> >> encyclopedic pixels and amazing pixels.
> >
> > That metric is all wrong, because it presumes that all pixels are
> > equally valuable.  Surely, you should be also assigning weights to
> > pixels depending on how much information they carry - background pixels
> > out of the FOV aren't worth as much!
> >
>
> I assume you mean "assigning *mass*" to the pixels. Weight is so
> Earth-centric!
>
> I would like to join the kawaii-pixel WikiProject. Please let me know
> when we start debating the relative merits of various color models,
> and naming conventions, and kawaii-challenged accessibility tools.
> Thanks!
>
> -- quiddity
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Not all pixels are created equals: introducing brand new Wikimedia France's metrics

[quiddity]

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Marc A. Pelletier  wrote:
> On 15-04-01 03:58 PM, Pierre-Selim wrote:
>> This is only the beginning: next step is the measurement of cute pixels,
>> encyclopedic pixels and amazing pixels.
>
> That metric is all wrong, because it presumes that all pixels are
> equally valuable.  Surely, you should be also assigning weights to
> pixels depending on how much information they carry - background pixels
> out of the FOV aren't worth as much!
>

I assume you mean "assigning *mass*" to the pixels. Weight is so Earth-centric!

I would like to join the kawaii-pixel WikiProject. Please let me know
when we start debating the relative merits of various color models,
and naming conventions, and kawaii-challenged accessibility tools.
Thanks!

-- quiddity

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Not all pixels are created equals: introducing brand new Wikimedia France's metrics

[Chris Keating]

I give this project FF out of a possible FF.

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Christophe Henner <
christophe.hen...@gmail.com> wrote:

> They are not free pixels.
>
> Only real free pixels deserve to be counted.
> Le 1 avr. 2015 23:00, "Andrea Zanni"  a écrit :
>
> > As always, every tool is developed thinking about Wikipedia and Commons,
> > never all the other sister projects!
> > What about those poor pixels?
> > Are they different from Commons pixels??!?!!1!
> >
> > Luckily, today the WMF said otherwise:
> > see the "Sister projects" news here
> >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-04-01/News_and_notes
> >
> > Aubrey
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 10:12 PM, Pierre-Selim 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > 2015-04-01 22:09 GMT+02:00 Marc A. Pelletier :
> > >
> > > > On 15-04-01 03:58 PM, Pierre-Selim wrote:
> > > > > This is only the beginning: next step is the measurement of cute
> > > pixels,
> > > > > encyclopedic pixels and amazing pixels.
> > > >
> > > > That metric is all wrong, because it presumes that all pixels are
> > > > equally valuable.  Surely, you should be also assigning weights to
> > > > pixels depending on how much information they carry - background
> pixels
> > > > out of the FOV aren't worth as much!
> > > >
> > > > Also, some historic pixels may be worth several newer ones.  Pixel
> > > > valuation is an art as much as it is a science.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Thank you for your valuable input, we will think about it for next
> > > iterations.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > -- Marc
> > > >
> > > > Ouais bon, poisson d'avril?  :-)
> > > >
> > >
> > > :-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Not all pixels are created equals: introducing brand new Wikimedia France's metrics

[Christophe Henner]

They are not free pixels.

Only real free pixels deserve to be counted.
Le 1 avr. 2015 23:00, "Andrea Zanni"  a écrit :

> As always, every tool is developed thinking about Wikipedia and Commons,
> never all the other sister projects!
> What about those poor pixels?
> Are they different from Commons pixels??!?!!1!
>
> Luckily, today the WMF said otherwise:
> see the "Sister projects" news here
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-04-01/News_and_notes
>
> Aubrey
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 10:12 PM, Pierre-Selim 
> wrote:
>
> > 2015-04-01 22:09 GMT+02:00 Marc A. Pelletier :
> >
> > > On 15-04-01 03:58 PM, Pierre-Selim wrote:
> > > > This is only the beginning: next step is the measurement of cute
> > pixels,
> > > > encyclopedic pixels and amazing pixels.
> > >
> > > That metric is all wrong, because it presumes that all pixels are
> > > equally valuable.  Surely, you should be also assigning weights to
> > > pixels depending on how much information they carry - background pixels
> > > out of the FOV aren't worth as much!
> > >
> > > Also, some historic pixels may be worth several newer ones.  Pixel
> > > valuation is an art as much as it is a science.
> > >
> >
> > Thank you for your valuable input, we will think about it for next
> > iterations.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > -- Marc
> > >
> > > Ouais bon, poisson d'avril?  :-)
> > >
> >
> > :-)
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Not all pixels are created equals: introducing brand new Wikimedia France's metrics

[Andrea Zanni]

As always, every tool is developed thinking about Wikipedia and Commons,
never all the other sister projects!
What about those poor pixels?
Are they different from Commons pixels??!?!!1!

Luckily, today the WMF said otherwise:
see the "Sister projects" news here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-04-01/News_and_notes

Aubrey


On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 10:12 PM, Pierre-Selim 
wrote:

> 2015-04-01 22:09 GMT+02:00 Marc A. Pelletier :
>
> > On 15-04-01 03:58 PM, Pierre-Selim wrote:
> > > This is only the beginning: next step is the measurement of cute
> pixels,
> > > encyclopedic pixels and amazing pixels.
> >
> > That metric is all wrong, because it presumes that all pixels are
> > equally valuable.  Surely, you should be also assigning weights to
> > pixels depending on how much information they carry - background pixels
> > out of the FOV aren't worth as much!
> >
> > Also, some historic pixels may be worth several newer ones.  Pixel
> > valuation is an art as much as it is a science.
> >
>
> Thank you for your valuable input, we will think about it for next
> iterations.
>
>
> >
> > -- Marc
> >
> > Ouais bon, poisson d'avril?  :-)
> >
>
> :-)
>
>
>
> >
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Not all pixels are created equals: introducing brand new Wikimedia France's metrics

[Pierre-Selim]

2015-04-01 22:09 GMT+02:00 Marc A. Pelletier :

> On 15-04-01 03:58 PM, Pierre-Selim wrote:
> > This is only the beginning: next step is the measurement of cute pixels,
> > encyclopedic pixels and amazing pixels.
>
> That metric is all wrong, because it presumes that all pixels are
> equally valuable.  Surely, you should be also assigning weights to
> pixels depending on how much information they carry - background pixels
> out of the FOV aren't worth as much!
>
> Also, some historic pixels may be worth several newer ones.  Pixel
> valuation is an art as much as it is a science.
>

Thank you for your valuable input, we will think about it for next
iterations.


>
> -- Marc
>
> Ouais bon, poisson d'avril?  :-)
>

:-)



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Not all pixels are created equals: introducing brand new Wikimedia France's metrics

[Marc A. Pelletier]

On 15-04-01 03:58 PM, Pierre-Selim wrote:
> This is only the beginning: next step is the measurement of cute pixels,
> encyclopedic pixels and amazing pixels.

That metric is all wrong, because it presumes that all pixels are
equally valuable.  Surely, you should be also assigning weights to
pixels depending on how much information they carry - background pixels
out of the FOV aren't worth as much!

Also, some historic pixels may be worth several newer ones.  Pixel
valuation is an art as much as it is a science.


-- Marc

Ouais bon, poisson d'avril?  :-)



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