Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

That's the nice thing about the Internet: What Wikipedia doesn't want, some people will host, and what they don't want, some other people will host. Everyone has standards; the standards just differ from project to project. On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Mike Dupont wrote: > well i can give yo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

well i can give you copies of the scripts, the articles are still on archive org, I dont want to host them, mike On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Kim Bruning wrote: > > Better would be to keep those articles, and also (at some point) to preserve > TVTropes. > > sincerely, > Kim Bruning >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

Better would be to keep those articles, and also (at some point) to preserve TVTropes. sincerely, Kim Bruning On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 06:17:57PM +, Mike Dupont wrote: > well i decided to delete them, and other articles dealing with peoples > personal lives. > I dont want to de

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

well i decided to delete them, and other articles dealing with peoples personal lives. I dont want to deal with stuff like that, mike On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Mike Dupont wrote: > Well you think i should delete them from the speedydeletion wikia? > http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: > On 27/06/2012 12:10 AM, Anthony wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Kim Bruning >>  wrote: >>> >>> The SOPA strike was necessary for us to retain neutrality. >> >> Figuratively speaking, or do you think it actually made a whit o

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

Well you think i should delete them from the speedydeletion wikia? http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/index.php?search=rape&fulltext=Search mike On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Kim Bruning wrote: > > Wow, thank goodness we never had advertising. The TV-Tropes wiki has been > forced to censor

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

* Andreas Kolbe wrote: >On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:10 PM, David Gerard wrote: >> This is pretty much completely wrong, as you'd know if you'd read the >> links at the beginning. The pages were already marked "don't put ads >> here". Google objected to their presence on the site at all. The pages >>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:10 PM, David Gerard wrote: > On 27 June 2012 16:02, David Richfield wrote: > > > This must be the most misleading mailing list title I've seen in a > > long time. Almost all of these tropes are untouched: > > > http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SexualHarassmen

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On 27 June 2012 16:30, David Richfield wrote: > Wow, they moved fast!  I read the blog post and then went to check, > and found the supposedly deleted articles up, less than a full day > after the original mailing list email, so I assumed there had to be > some mistake.  How long were the article

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 5:10 PM, David Gerard wrote: > On 27 June 2012 16:02, David Richfield wrote: > >> This must be the most misleading mailing list title I've seen in a >> long time.  Almost all of these tropes are untouched: >> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SexualHarassmentAndRa

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On 27 June 2012 16:02, David Richfield wrote: > This must be the most misleading mailing list title I've seen in a > long time.  Almost all of these tropes are untouched: > http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SexualHarassmentAndRapeTropes?from=Main.RapeTropes > - it seems they just had a p

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

This must be the most misleading mailing list title I've seen in a long time. Almost all of these tropes are untouched: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SexualHarassmentAndRapeTropes?from=Main.RapeTropes - it seems they just had a problem with Google withdrawing ad revenue because they h

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On 27 June 2012 05:59, geni wrote: > On 27 June 2012 05:15, Andreas Kolbe wrote: >> I was actually thinking of the board, or just Jimbo himself, rather than >> any wider group of luminaries (or actual Wikipedia editors). If Google >> wanted something, I am sure they would speak in person to the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 5:39 AM, Theo10011 wrote: > So, a chain of events during a 4 month period can not be incidental. What > you neglect to mention that there was an annual fundraiser during the end > of the year, this was not the first grant Google made to Wikimedia, in > fact, it might not e

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On 27/06/2012 12:10 AM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Kim Bruning wrote: The SOPA strike was necessary for us to retain neutrality. Figuratively speaking, or do you think it actually made a whit of difference? I'm pretty sure it had an effect; if only that of increased medi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Tim Starling wrote: > > Actually, the SOPA blackout notice was developed and deployed by WMF > staff. Point of clarification: Developed and deployed, yes - but at the request of the English Wikipedia community, in the form of the RFC that was run. Staff devel

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On 27/06/12 06:46, Nathan wrote: > It's simple. The WMF didn't do anything. The English Wikipedia did. That > project effectively changed the content of the entire encyclopedia for > political reasons. Actually, the SOPA blackout notice was developed and deployed by WMF staff.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On 27 June 2012 05:15, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Perhaps so. :)) (But clearly, so have you.) The difference being that I've been following Wikipedia criticism for much longer to the point where I can just view it as a rather repetitive soap opera. > I was actually thinking of the board, or just Jim

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > I was actually thinking of the board, or just Jimbo himself, rather than > any wider group of luminaries (or actual Wikipedia editors). If Google > wanted something, I am sure they would speak in person to the people they > have had personal

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:24 PM, geni wrote: > On 26 June 2012 21:38, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > Are you not being a bit naive here? Seriously, if Google wanted > something, > > and were willing to pay Wikimedia another half million dollars for it, > > they'd talk to Jimbo and other WMF luminarie

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Kim Bruning wrote: > The SOPA strike was necessary for us to retain neutrality. Figuratively speaking, or do you think it actually made a whit of difference? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

Kim Bruning wrote: > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 09:07:02PM +0100, Andreas Kolbe wrote: >> I've always been against ads, but as far as I am concerned, the illusion of >> an NPOV project ended with the SOPA strike, and Jimbo's current exploits >> around O'Dwyer (who I agree should not be extradited, but

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: > * Nathan wrote: > >It's simple. The WMF didn't do anything. The English Wikipedia did. That > >project effectively changed the content of the entire encyclopedia for > >political reasons. That is the condicio sine qua non for abandoning >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

* Nathan wrote: >It's simple. The WMF didn't do anything. The English Wikipedia did. That >project effectively changed the content of the entire encyclopedia for >political reasons. That is the condicio sine qua non for abandoning >neutrality. You might say it was done for great reasons, and that i

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On 26 June 2012 21:38, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Are you not being a bit naive here? Seriously, if Google wanted something, > and were willing to pay Wikimedia another half million dollars for it, > they'd talk to Jimbo and other WMF luminaries behind closed doors. You've been hanging out on wikiped

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Nathan wrote: > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Todd Allen wrote: > > > I've never understood why that was considered non-neutral. WMF, as an > > entity, can have viewpoints, especially as relates to the organization > > itself. The WMF, for example, is not neut

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Well, there is a slashdot report. Let's see how much Google get pilloried > for their actions with regard to TV Tropes. My prediction: not much. > Oops, that slashdot report is from November 2010, and refers to the last time Google put TV T

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Todd Allen wrote: > I've never understood why that was considered non-neutral. WMF, as an > entity, can have viewpoints, especially as relates to the organization > itself. The WMF, for example, is not neutral on the question of > whether or not people should make

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Todd Allen wrote: > > Besides, the ones putting pressure on TV Tropes, and who made them take > the > > pages down, are Google. > > > > That is the same Google who are a major financial contributor to > Wikimedia. > > True. But if Google told WMF "Change Foo and B

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 09:07:02PM +0100, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > I've always been against ads, but as far as I am concerned, the illusion of > an NPOV project ended with the SOPA strike, and Jimbo's current exploits > around O'Dwyer (who I agree should not be extradited, but doh, that is not > t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:22 PM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: > On 26/06/2012 2:02 PM, Kim Bruning wrote: >> >> Wow, thank goodness we never had advertising. The TV-Tropes wiki has been >> forced to censor a >> number of pages due to advertiser pressure. >> > > And thus is the wisdom of eschewing adve

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Todd Allen wrote: > >> Perhaps the next time someone brings up the "WMF should accept ads!" >> bit, we can point back to this thread to explain why when we respond >> "That would be the end of neutrality," we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 08:41:04PM +0100, geni wrote: > On 26 June 2012 19:02, Kim Bruning wrote: > > In the mean time, the discussed tropes *do* exist in our culture and in our > > movies. It > > somehow feels soviet. :-/ > > A significant chunk of them would probably fail [[WP:V]]. Actually fo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Todd Allen wrote: > Perhaps the next time someone brings up the "WMF should accept ads!" > bit, we can point back to this thread to explain why when we respond > "That would be the end of neutrality," we are not exaggerating. > I've always been against ads, but

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On 26/06/2012 3:59 PM, Nathan wrote: Someone else will just cleverly point out the differences between Wikipedia and TVTropes, which are many. Using a wiki platform does not make comparisons between the two apples to apples. No, but that's besides the point. The point is simple: if you rely

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Todd Allen wrote: > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Marc A. Pelletier > wrote: > > On 26/06/2012 2:02 PM, Kim Bruning wrote: > >> > >> Wow, thank goodness we never had advertising. The TV-Tropes wiki has > been > >> forced to censor a > >> number of pages due to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: > On 26/06/2012 2:02 PM, Kim Bruning wrote: >> >> Wow, thank goodness we never had advertising. The TV-Tropes wiki has been >> forced to censor a >> number of pages due to advertiser pressure. >> > > And thus is the wisdom of eschewing adve

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On 26 June 2012 20:30, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > As far as I can make out, the problem was that they could no longer keep up > with moderating these pages, and that the content turned creepier and > creepier. Its more complicated than that. Apart from anything else TVTropes have been drifting in th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On 26 June 2012 19:02, Kim Bruning wrote: > In the mean time, the discussed tropes *do* exist in our culture and in our > movies. It > somehow feels soviet. :-/ A significant chunk of them would probably fail [[WP:V]]. Actually for the most part I just feel sorry for the people who are meant to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

As far as I can make out, the problem was that they could no longer keep up with moderating these pages, and that the content turned creepier and creepier. ---o0o--- @ Marq FJA Eddie tends to be a little abrupt in his explanations. The gist of it is that rape (much like sex and other similar to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On 26/06/2012 2:02 PM, Kim Bruning wrote: Wow, thank goodness we never had advertising. The TV-Tropes wiki has been forced to censor a number of pages due to advertiser pressure. And thus is the wisdom of eschewing advertizement and sponsorship highlighted for all too see. I've always suppo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 08:02:55PM +0200, Kim Bruning wrote: > > Wow, thank goodness we never had advertising. The TV-Tropes wiki has been > forced to censor a > number of pages due to advertiser pressure. The wiki-community is apparantly working on it: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki