Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia websites is not accessible almost everywhere in Iran

[Amir Ladsgroup]

A quick update: It's back but still unavailable in some ISPs.

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 10:24 PM Denny Vrandecic 
wrote:

> Oh, thanks for the report. IP blocks suck more than DNS meddling...
>
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Amir Ladsgroup 
> wrote:
>
> > It seems IP of WMF wikis is being blocked so AFAIK it doesn't really
> depend
> > on domain name.
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 9:32 PM Denny Vrandecic <
> dvrande...@wikimedia.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > IIRC we used to have the alternative URL
> > >
> > > https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikinews/fa/wiki/
> > >
> > > in order to access
> > >
> > > https://fa.wikinews.org/wiki
> > >
> > > but it seems that these were turned into redirects, probably when the
> > https
> > > switch happened.
> > >
> > > Would it be an idea to not make them redirects but return the content
> on
> > > the wikimedia domain, or, even better, on the wikipedia domain (and
> maybe
> > > any of our domains) as well?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Denny
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Mardetanha <
> mardetanha.w...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Not all WMF websites are blocked in Iran, Till now commons is blocked
> > and
> > > > Fawikinews (starting this evening), as far as I contacted local
> > > > authorities, they didn't confirm the block, they only said it might
> > > > technical issue, I am still try to get more information to see what
> is
> > > > happening
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mardetanha
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Amir Ladsgroup  >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > It had started with Wikimedia Commons and then
> upload.wikimedia.org
> > > (so
> > > > no
> > > > > images) and now Persian Wikinews and I just realized except a few
> > > number
> > > > of
> > > > > ISPs all WM websites are blocked everywhere. Obviously analytics
> can
> > > give
> > > > > more details.
> > > > >
> > > > > I talked with legal team in Wikimania and asked them for a direct
> > talk
> > > or
> > > > > any kind of negotiation with Iranian government to make things
> easier
> > > but
> > > > > It's going worse. they lifted block on CNN once Rouhani had
> interview
> > > > with
> > > > > them two years ago.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any ideas?
> > > > >
> > > > > Best
> > > > > ___
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia websites is not accessible almost everywhere in Iran

[Amir Ladsgroup]

It seems IP of WMF wikis is being blocked so AFAIK it doesn't really depend
on domain name.

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 9:32 PM Denny Vrandecic 
wrote:

> IIRC we used to have the alternative URL
>
> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikinews/fa/wiki/
>
> in order to access
>
> https://fa.wikinews.org/wiki
>
> but it seems that these were turned into redirects, probably when the https
> switch happened.
>
> Would it be an idea to not make them redirects but return the content on
> the wikimedia domain, or, even better, on the wikipedia domain (and maybe
> any of our domains) as well?
>
> Cheers,
> Denny
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Mardetanha 
> wrote:
>
> > Not all WMF websites are blocked in Iran, Till now commons is blocked and
> > Fawikinews (starting this evening), as far as I contacted local
> > authorities, they didn't confirm the block, they only said it might
> > technical issue, I am still try to get more information to see what is
> > happening
> >
> >
> > Mardetanha
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Amir Ladsgroup 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > It had started with Wikimedia Commons and then upload.wikimedia.org
> (so
> > no
> > > images) and now Persian Wikinews and I just realized except a few
> number
> > of
> > > ISPs all WM websites are blocked everywhere. Obviously analytics can
> give
> > > more details.
> > >
> > > I talked with legal team in Wikimania and asked them for a direct talk
> or
> > > any kind of negotiation with Iranian government to make things easier
> but
> > > It's going worse. they lifted block on CNN once Rouhani had interview
> > with
> > > them two years ago.
> > >
> > > Any ideas?
> > >
> > > Best
> > > ___
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia websites is not accessible almost everywhere in Iran

[Denny Vrandecic]

Oh, thanks for the report. IP blocks suck more than DNS meddling...

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Amir Ladsgroup 
wrote:

> It seems IP of WMF wikis is being blocked so AFAIK it doesn't really depend
> on domain name.
>
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 9:32 PM Denny Vrandecic 
> wrote:
>
> > IIRC we used to have the alternative URL
> >
> > https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikinews/fa/wiki/
> >
> > in order to access
> >
> > https://fa.wikinews.org/wiki
> >
> > but it seems that these were turned into redirects, probably when the
> https
> > switch happened.
> >
> > Would it be an idea to not make them redirects but return the content on
> > the wikimedia domain, or, even better, on the wikipedia domain (and maybe
> > any of our domains) as well?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Denny
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Mardetanha 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Not all WMF websites are blocked in Iran, Till now commons is blocked
> and
> > > Fawikinews (starting this evening), as far as I contacted local
> > > authorities, they didn't confirm the block, they only said it might
> > > technical issue, I am still try to get more information to see what is
> > > happening
> > >
> > >
> > > Mardetanha
> > >
> > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Amir Ladsgroup 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > It had started with Wikimedia Commons and then upload.wikimedia.org
> > (so
> > > no
> > > > images) and now Persian Wikinews and I just realized except a few
> > number
> > > of
> > > > ISPs all WM websites are blocked everywhere. Obviously analytics can
> > give
> > > > more details.
> > > >
> > > > I talked with legal team in Wikimania and asked them for a direct
> talk
> > or
> > > > any kind of negotiation with Iranian government to make things easier
> > but
> > > > It's going worse. they lifted block on CNN once Rouhani had interview
> > > with
> > > > them two years ago.
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas?
> > > >
> > > > Best
> > > > ___
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia websites is not accessible almost everywhere in Iran

[Denny Vrandecic]

IIRC we used to have the alternative URL

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikinews/fa/wiki/

in order to access

https://fa.wikinews.org/wiki

but it seems that these were turned into redirects, probably when the https
switch happened.

Would it be an idea to not make them redirects but return the content on
the wikimedia domain, or, even better, on the wikipedia domain (and maybe
any of our domains) as well?

Cheers,
Denny




On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Mardetanha 
wrote:

> Not all WMF websites are blocked in Iran, Till now commons is blocked and
> Fawikinews (starting this evening), as far as I contacted local
> authorities, they didn't confirm the block, they only said it might
> technical issue, I am still try to get more information to see what is
> happening
>
>
> Mardetanha
>
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Amir Ladsgroup 
> wrote:
>
> > It had started with Wikimedia Commons and then upload.wikimedia.org (so
> no
> > images) and now Persian Wikinews and I just realized except a few number
> of
> > ISPs all WM websites are blocked everywhere. Obviously analytics can give
> > more details.
> >
> > I talked with legal team in Wikimania and asked them for a direct talk or
> > any kind of negotiation with Iranian government to make things easier but
> > It's going worse. they lifted block on CNN once Rouhani had interview
> with
> > them two years ago.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Best
> > ___
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia websites is not accessible almost everywhere in Iran

[Amir Ladsgroup]

Block depends on so many factors, depends on ISP you can see wide range of
behavior, for me nothing is blocked since my ISP is IPM. This behavior is
changing and that's worrying to me. Wikipedia was accessible using Irancell
in Tehran but right now it's not. More worrying, upload.wikimedia.org is
blocked so without proxy there is no image (except images in cache)
anywhere in any wiki. People in Shiraz don't have access to any WMF wiki at
all but as I said we need to check more deeply into this matter and start
talking to the government or anyone useful ASAP. I will talk to some people
tomorrow in a conference I will attend.

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 9:27 PM Mardetanha 
wrote:

> Not all WMF websites are blocked in Iran, Till now commons is blocked and
> Fawikinews (starting this evening), as far as I contacted local
> authorities, they didn't confirm the block, they only said it might
> technical issue, I am still try to get more information to see what is
> happening
>
>
> Mardetanha
>
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Amir Ladsgroup 
> wrote:
>
> > It had started with Wikimedia Commons and then upload.wikimedia.org (so
> no
> > images) and now Persian Wikinews and I just realized except a few number
> of
> > ISPs all WM websites are blocked everywhere. Obviously analytics can give
> > more details.
> >
> > I talked with legal team in Wikimania and asked them for a direct talk or
> > any kind of negotiation with Iranian government to make things easier but
> > It's going worse. they lifted block on CNN once Rouhani had interview
> with
> > them two years ago.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Best
> > ___
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia websites is not accessible almost everywhere in Iran

[Leila Zia]

Hi Amir,

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Amir Ladsgroup 
wrote:

> It had started with Wikimedia Commons and then upload.wikimedia.org (so no
> images) and now Persian Wikinews


What error do you get when you try to upload a picture? If you share couple
of screen-shots, those can help, too.

Re Wikinews, can you get to Wikinews and the images inside articles don't
get uploaded or you cannot get to Wikinews at all? If the latter, what is
the error you're getting?


> and I just realized except a few number of
> ISPs all WM websites are blocked everywhere. Obviously analytics can give
> more details.
>

There is an effort to collect more information about which ISPs work and
which ones don't (note that in some ISPs, the bad_connection_error happens
only at certain times during the day so you may want to check the ISPs
you're checking in different times of the day if that is the error you
see.). If you have more information, you can add them in the corresponding
tea-house discussion
.
I have an eye on that page.

Best,
Leila


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia websites is not accessible almost everywhere in Iran

[Mardetanha]

Not all WMF websites are blocked in Iran, Till now commons is blocked and
Fawikinews (starting this evening), as far as I contacted local
authorities, they didn't confirm the block, they only said it might
technical issue, I am still try to get more information to see what is
happening


Mardetanha

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Amir Ladsgroup  wrote:

> It had started with Wikimedia Commons and then upload.wikimedia.org (so no
> images) and now Persian Wikinews and I just realized except a few number of
> ISPs all WM websites are blocked everywhere. Obviously analytics can give
> more details.
>
> I talked with legal team in Wikimania and asked them for a direct talk or
> any kind of negotiation with Iranian government to make things easier but
> It's going worse. they lifted block on CNN once Rouhani had interview with
> them two years ago.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Best
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