Re: [Wikimediaau-l] schools - a post-glam movement ;-)
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 8:28 AM, private musingsthepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I just created this page; http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Schools with the intention of encouraging all those interested in liaising with educators / schools directly to jump in and whip up a few project pages formalising what we might do / info. we can share etc. etc. (it's a wiki process, of course, so please get involved!) Liam's a constant source of inspiration to me, and I've recently been involved in correspondance with a few other wiki folk all over the globe about furthering the 'glam' approach to include schools - ie. talking with them about what schools' needs for wiki projects are, how we're currently doing at meeting them, how we as a project (wikimedia, not just wikipedia) fit in to their programmes etc. I've spoken at medium length to one head teacher and one head of department on a personal level which has further convinced me that it would be both fun and useful for a cadre of volunteers to consider preparing a few talks / workshops etc. etc. to take to schools in the vicinity of wherever volunteers happen to be! - This project is intended to get that ball rolling :-) Whilst the mailing list is a fantastic platform for sharing news - it's probably not quite as good as a wiki for actual development work, so please consider just diving in at http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Schools or http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Talk:Schools - my vague, and quite likely to shift, intention is for this to be in shape to follow 'GLAM' - so we'd be looking offer some workshops to schools by September... help! best, Peter, PM. ps. an online donation service would still be a 'good thing' :-) pps. I'd like to offer teachers the opportunity to edit the wmau pages related to schools work - would that be cool? ppps. I also just put the fantastic wikisource book http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/A_specimen_of_the_botany_of_New_Holland as our 'featured content' - check it out! Maybe we could discuss what content we have on the wiki and how it ties in with their teaching curriculms or what has to be improved. The collection feature would be a great help there because we could on mini collections that are tailored for the courses and such. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] schools - a post-glam movement ;-)
Don't forget that we have DET employees, teachers and other educators amongst our own numbers either (including at least one board member). Given they've got a solid understanding of Wiki as well they're probably the best starting point before we start approaching the wider community - one of the strengths of Liam's approach to these organisations, it must be remembered, was that he had a fair degree of background knowledge from his own professional experience so he was able to speak some if not all of their language when communicating with them. Also, schools don't have equal access to online resources - the school I worked at in 2007 (a large state high school) you had to book the lab at least a week in advance and could only get it for an hour, and there was no net access in the classrooms. As such, the resource plan would have to consider how they might be used by teachers - i.e. trying to ensure maximum uptake and that we actually have a useful product. I'm happy to help from the WA side, although I am of the firm belief that *Wikipedia* (as opposed to other Wiki-based delivery methods) as such is not the most useful avenue to do this. In my field, the articles are far too technical / high-level for the high school students to understand (or in some cases even me, and I have a degree minor in the stuff!) and often have concepts in them which are not within the various Australian curricula. (I say various as I think the national curriculum will end up failing due to state-federal rivalries - it will end up as a bunch of state curricula trying to achieve core points agreed federally). cheers Andrew 2009/6/20 K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 8:28 AM, private musingsthepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I just created this page; http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Schools with the intention of encouraging all those interested in liaising with educators / schools directly to jump in and whip up a few project pages formalising what we might do / info. we can share etc. etc. (it's a wiki process, of course, so please get involved!) Liam's a constant source of inspiration to me, and I've recently been involved in correspondance with a few other wiki folk all over the globe about furthering the 'glam' approach to include schools - ie. talking with them about what schools' needs for wiki projects are, how we're currently doing at meeting them, how we as a project (wikimedia, not just wikipedia) fit in to their programmes etc. I've spoken at medium length to one head teacher and one head of department on a personal level which has further convinced me that it would be both fun and useful for a cadre of volunteers to consider preparing a few talks / workshops etc. etc. to take to schools in the vicinity of wherever volunteers happen to be! - This project is intended to get that ball rolling :-) Whilst the mailing list is a fantastic platform for sharing news - it's probably not quite as good as a wiki for actual development work, so please consider just diving in at http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Schools or http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Talk:Schools - my vague, and quite likely to shift, intention is for this to be in shape to follow 'GLAM' - so we'd be looking offer some workshops to schools by September... help! best, Peter, PM. ps. an online donation service would still be a 'good thing' :-) pps. I'd like to offer teachers the opportunity to edit the wmau pages related to schools work - would that be cool? ppps. I also just put the fantastic wikisource book http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/A_specimen_of_the_botany_of_New_Holland as our 'featured content' - check it out! Maybe we could discuss what content we have on the wiki and how it ties in with their teaching curriculms or what has to be improved. The collection feature would be a great help there because we could on mini collections that are tailored for the courses and such. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] schools - a post-glam movement ;-)
Also worth pointing out you need teachers with curriculum experience developing the stuff. I don't know how many curricula people have viewed but since the 90s they are less prescriptive and contain lots of eduspeak and gobbledygook and *assume* a lot of content. Also it's no longer sufficient just to teach something, teachers have to mentally be able to tick off all the boxes on all these criteria that are supposed to be met by the package. 2009/6/20 Andrew orderinchao...@gmail.com Don't forget that we have DET employees, teachers and other educators amongst our own numbers either (including at least one board member). Given they've got a solid understanding of Wiki as well they're probably the best starting point before we start approaching the wider community - one of the strengths of Liam's approach to these organisations, it must be remembered, was that he had a fair degree of background knowledge from his own professional experience so he was able to speak some if not all of their language when communicating with them. Also, schools don't have equal access to online resources - the school I worked at in 2007 (a large state high school) you had to book the lab at least a week in advance and could only get it for an hour, and there was no net access in the classrooms. As such, the resource plan would have to consider how they might be used by teachers - i.e. trying to ensure maximum uptake and that we actually have a useful product. I'm happy to help from the WA side, although I am of the firm belief that *Wikipedia* (as opposed to other Wiki-based delivery methods) as such is not the most useful avenue to do this. In my field, the articles are far too technical / high-level for the high school students to understand (or in some cases even me, and I have a degree minor in the stuff!) and often have concepts in them which are not within the various Australian curricula. (I say various as I think the national curriculum will end up failing due to state-federal rivalries - it will end up as a bunch of state curricula trying to achieve core points agreed federally). cheers Andrew 2009/6/20 K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 8:28 AM, private musingsthepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I just created this page; http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Schools with the intention of encouraging all those interested in liaising with educators / schools directly to jump in and whip up a few project pages formalising what we might do / info. we can share etc. etc. (it's a wiki process, of course, so please get involved!) Liam's a constant source of inspiration to me, and I've recently been involved in correspondance with a few other wiki folk all over the globe about furthering the 'glam' approach to include schools - ie. talking with them about what schools' needs for wiki projects are, how we're currently doing at meeting them, how we as a project (wikimedia, not just wikipedia) fit in to their programmes etc. I've spoken at medium length to one head teacher and one head of department on a personal level which has further convinced me that it would be both fun and useful for a cadre of volunteers to consider preparing a few talks / workshops etc. etc. to take to schools in the vicinity of wherever volunteers happen to be! - This project is intended to get that ball rolling :-) Whilst the mailing list is a fantastic platform for sharing news - it's probably not quite as good as a wiki for actual development work, so please consider just diving in at http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Schools or http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Talk:Schools - my vague, and quite likely to shift, intention is for this to be in shape to follow 'GLAM' - so we'd be looking offer some workshops to schools by September... help! best, Peter, PM. ps. an online donation service would still be a 'good thing' :-) pps. I'd like to offer teachers the opportunity to edit the wmau pages related to schools work - would that be cool? ppps. I also just put the fantastic wikisource book http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/A_specimen_of_the_botany_of_New_Hollandas our 'featured content' - check it out! Maybe we could discuss what content we have on the wiki and how it ties in with their teaching curriculms or what has to be improved. The collection feature would be a great help there because we could on mini collections that are tailored for the courses and such. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
