I have used Trove for predominantly newspaper articles in biographies,
occasionally other encylopaedic articles. The ability to reference
publications by author using the Wikipedia citation has also been useful.
See for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawford_Pasco - having the
underscores and capitalisation in the citation fixed would be nice.
Paul Foord
On 7 August 2013 21:25, Gnangarra gnanga...@gmail.com wrote:
If the NLA page has the WP citation, currenlty its just
*Citation Details*
*Use the following url to begin from this point:*
*
http://www.nla.gov.au/amad/nla.oh-vn5811404/5-2
*
*Or this url to play only the portion of audio:*
*
http://www.nla.gov.au/amad/nla.oh-vn5811404/5-2~5-4
*I'd probably just use the trove link for ease of use...
On 7 August 2013 19:02, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote:
That's an interesting example Gnang - that link you gave is to an oral
history that's in the NLA collection and happens to be digitised and
online. Not all are, but this one is. Moreover, this one is part of a new
system the NLA has (to which all oral histories are progressively being
migrated) which includes a timecoded transcript and the ability to give a
stable URL for EACH part of the transcript - potentially providing a direct
citation to really interesting primary source footnotes!
The URL for the same item in the NLA catalogue is this:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.oh-vn5811404
So... given that, would you suggest that, in this example, it would be
appropriate for Trove to provide a WP citation OR to leave that citation to
the NLA catalogue itself? (Please say if I'm not being clear, it's a
complex question!).
-Liam
wittylama.com
Peace, love metadata
On 7 August 2013 10:56, Gnangarra gnanga...@gmail.com wrote:
as to where the citation needs to available its any where from which
editors draw information from Trove, including, newspapers, magazines,
audio(http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/163116758)
On 7 August 2013 18:33, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Mark, Nick, Gideon,
In response to your points thus far, (and others - please send me any
responses you have too!)
The general gist, if I can put it this way, is the current cite code
is working, don't fix it until it's broken. Which is good to hear :-) This
answers my question no.1, but I'd be interested in feedback about question
no.2 as well - which kinds of records in both the Trove and NLA search
results would be actually useful for having this citation code appear. For
example - here http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/2540625 is the NLA
catalogue reference for Harry Potter book 1. Clicking 'cite this' pulls up
a WP code as well. My educated guess is that this code (and the equivalent
in Trove) is neither useful for the NLA nor for WP. Am I right in this? Are
newspaper articles the ONLY time wikimedians will use this citation code,
or are there other cases that are beneficial (e.g. unique materials in the
NLA that have no ISBN)?
Mark, with regards to the formatting (underscores, capitalisation) this
is something that I believe Grahame has already submitted a comprehensive
series of bug reports for to the Trove team. The issue there is not so much
the citation system itself but Trove's record naming structure and, more
generally, the long list of higher priority bugs that are not as easily
manually worked-around.
As for the clipboard issue - this is a clear way of summarising my
primary concern, thanks for framing it so neatly. I've subsequently asked
it in those terms over on Mediawiki.org too.
Nick, thank you too. WRT some ability to make uploads of images more
direct might be cool - but as Gnang says, many of the files available in
Trove aren't actually from the NLA and also many are in copyright (so a
blanket system wouldn't be appropriate).
-Liam
wittylama.com
Peace, love metadata
On 7 August 2013 10:01, Nick Dowling nick_dowl...@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi Liam,
I've used Trove for quite a few articles. In response to your
questions:
1) Given that experienced Wikipedia editors are still mainly using
wiki code, and will probably do so for some time, the pre-filled wiki mark
up remains very useful.
2) I agree that this functionality is mainly useful for newspaper
articles and the like. Something to support uploads of images into Commons
would also be very useful, but would be less-used I suspect.
I hope that's helpful.
Regards,
Nick
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 12:07:17 +1000
From: liamwy...@gmail.com
To: wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wikimediaau-l] WP citations in NLA/Trove
As many of you know, the National Library and its Trove service
include a WP citation code in the cite this drop down in all search
results (along with permalink, and various standardised footnoting
styles). At the Library we are currently in the midst of a very broad tech
and database integration process
