I have used Trove for predominantly newspaper articles in biographies,
occasionally other encylopaedic articles. The ability to reference
publications by author using the Wikipedia citation has also been useful.
See for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawford_Pasco - having the
underscores and capitalisation in the citation fixed would be nice.
Paul Foord


On 7 August 2013 21:25, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote:

> If the NLA page has the WP citation, currenlty its just
> *Citation Details*
>
> *Use the following url to begin from this point:*
> *
> http://www.nla.gov.au/amad/nla.oh-vn5811404/5-2
>
> *
>
> *Or this url to play only the portion of audio:*
> *
> http://www.nla.gov.au/amad/nla.oh-vn5811404/5-2~5-4
>
> *I'd probably just use the trove link for ease of use...
>
> On 7 August 2013 19:02, Liam Wyatt <liamwy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That's an interesting example Gnang - that link you gave is to an oral
>> history that's in the NLA collection and happens to be digitised and
>> online. Not all are, but this one is. Moreover, this one is part of a new
>> system the NLA has (to which all oral histories are progressively being
>> migrated) which includes a timecoded transcript and the ability to give a
>> stable URL for EACH part of the transcript - potentially providing a direct
>> citation to really interesting primary source footnotes!
>>
>> The URL for the same item in the NLA catalogue is this:
>> http://nla.gov.au/nla.oh-vn5811404
>>
>> So... given that, would you suggest that, in this example, it would be
>> appropriate for Trove to provide a WP citation OR to leave that citation to
>> the NLA catalogue itself? (Please say if I'm not being clear, it's a
>> complex question!).
>>
>> -Liam
>>
>>
>> wittylama.com
>> Peace, love & metadata
>>
>>
>> On 7 August 2013 10:56, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> as to where the citation needs to available its any where from which
>>> editors draw information from Trove, including, newspapers, magazines,
>>> audio(http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/163116758)
>>>
>>> On 7 August 2013 18:33, Liam Wyatt <liamwy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Mark, Nick, Gideon,
>>>>
>>>> In response to your points thus far, (and others - please send me any
>>>> responses you have too!)
>>>>
>>>> The general gist, if I can put it this way, is "the current cite code
>>>> is working, don't fix it until it's broken". Which is good to hear :-) This
>>>> answers my question no.1, but I'd be interested in feedback about question
>>>> no.2 as well - which kinds of records in both the Trove and NLA search
>>>> results would be actually useful for having this citation code appear. For
>>>> example - here http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/2540625 is the NLA
>>>> catalogue reference for Harry Potter book 1. Clicking 'cite this' pulls up
>>>> a WP code as well. My educated guess is that this code (and the equivalent
>>>> in Trove) is neither useful for the NLA nor for WP. Am I right in this? Are
>>>> newspaper articles the ONLY time wikimedians will use this citation code,
>>>> or are there other cases that are beneficial (e.g. unique materials in the
>>>> NLA that have no ISBN)?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mark, with regards to the formatting (underscores, capitalisation) this
>>>> is something that I believe Grahame has already submitted a comprehensive
>>>> series of bug reports for to the Trove team. The issue there is not so much
>>>> the citation system itself but Trove's record naming structure and, more
>>>> generally, the long list of higher priority bugs that are not as easily
>>>> manually worked-around.
>>>> As for the clipboard issue - this is a clear way of summarising my
>>>> primary concern, thanks for framing it so neatly. I've subsequently asked
>>>> it in those terms over on Mediawiki.org too.
>>>>
>>>> Nick, thank you too. WRT some ability to make uploads of images more
>>>> direct might be cool - but as Gnang says, many of the files available in
>>>> Trove aren't actually from the NLA and also many are in copyright (so a
>>>> blanket system wouldn't be appropriate).
>>>>
>>>> -Liam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> wittylama.com
>>>> Peace, love & metadata
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7 August 2013 10:01, Nick Dowling <nick_dowl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Liam,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've used Trove for quite a few articles. In response to your
>>>>> questions:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Given that experienced Wikipedia editors are still mainly using
>>>>> wiki code, and will probably do so for some time, the pre-filled wiki mark
>>>>> up remains very useful.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) I agree that this functionality is mainly useful for newspaper
>>>>> articles and the like. Something to support uploads of images into Commons
>>>>> would also be very useful, but would be less-used I suspect.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope that's helpful.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Nick
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 12:07:17 +1000
>>>>> From: liamwy...@gmail.com
>>>>> To: wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>>>>> Subject: [Wikimediaau-l] WP citations in NLA/Trove
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As many of you know, the National Library and its Trove service
>>>>> include a WP citation code in the "cite this" drop down in all search
>>>>> results (along with permalink, and various standardised footnoting
>>>>> styles). At the Library we are currently in the midst of a very broad tech
>>>>> and database integration process - part of which is revisiting what kinds
>>>>> of citations are useful where. I'm going to a meeting next week to discuss
>>>>> where the WP citation sits within this and I'd really appreciate some
>>>>> feedback:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) What effect does the Visual Editor have on the provision of this
>>>>> kind of code. Is it even useful anymore to provide pre-filled wiki markup?
>>>>> 2) Which kinds of results are useful to have this service provided,
>>>>> and which are irrelevant? I believe the best use-case is for individual
>>>>> newspaper articles within Trove. However, I believe that there is 
>>>>> little/no
>>>>> value in providing this service for individual book results in the NLA 
>>>>> catalogue
>>>>> search (because WP just wants the ISBN, not the fact that it's in any
>>>>> individual library's collection). However - what about manuscripts, music
>>>>> scores, unpublished collections of personal papers, digitised maps.... Is
>>>>> it useful to have this service provided in those circumstances?
>>>>>
>>>>> -Liam / Wittylama
>>>>> (In this case I'm asking from my professional capacity as employee of
>>>>> the NLA)
>>>>>
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