Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Family History related Australian biographies on Wikipedia
s-on editing. If not, I think give up >> now on teaching them how to edit and just give them a talk on Wikipedia >> instead. It’s hard enough to teach them to contribute with a computer in >> front of them; I doubt you can do it with slides alone. >> >> >> >> A family history group is an older group of people (so are local history >> groups). You will also have some people whose idea of “basic computer >> skills” and yours will be very different. A lot of older people send and >> receive email and use Google to search the web and write newsletters for >> their golf club in Microsoft word without managing to learn how to do >> something like copy-and-paste. It’s hard to make a citation without some >> copy-and-paste, particularly copying the URL for web citations. Don’t >> expect them to know what a URL is either (try “web address” while pointing >> to it on the screen in the browser). Many are not accustomed to using >> multiple applications/windows at the same time, so having the Wikipedia >> article open for editing in one window and the source material in another >> may be a new experience for them. >> >> >> >> With any group, you will have issues with copying material from other >> websites and wanting to upload photos of unknown provenance. Most do not >> understand copyright at all. Some will not have had a level of education >> where they were expected to use citations and won’t know what they are and >> why they matter. Even those with university degrees may be completely >> unfamiliar with inline citation, being accustomed to just listing their >> sources at the end without linking them to the claims (particularly true >> for those in the humanities). >> >> >> >> What I tend to suggest when I get asked to do a “short intro” to >> Wikipedia is now offer two sessions. The first one is just a talk about >> Wikipedia aimed at reading Wikipedia with realistic expectations based on >> knowing how it all works. Then have a second hands-on session for those >> interested to want to learn to edit; this will be a much smaller group than >> the first talk and you have got a lot of the learning curve about Wikipedia >> out of the way and can focus on the skills development. If you can have >> multiple sessions to teach the hands-on stuff, even better. Practice is >> important. >> >> >> >> I have some slidepacks for general talks and edit training (source >> editor) available if you want to use them as a starting point. I don’t yet >> have a slide pack for the VE yet although I will be creating one in the >> next week or so, as I have to deliver VE training on 8 Feb. Let me know if >> I can help. >> >> >> >> Kerry >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Wikimediaau-l [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On >> Behalf Of *Paul Foord >> *Sent:* Sunday, 24 January 2016 2:36 PM >> *To:* Wikimedia-au >> *Subject:* [Wikimediaau-l] Family History related Australian biographies >> on Wikipedia >> >> >> >> Hi all >> >> >> >> At a meeting of the Genealogy SA Research and Development Committee I >> offered to provide a session on writing biographies for Wikipedia. >> >> Triggers for this were: >> >> - my experience finding obituaries and other sources in Trove that >> appeared to justify an article, or allowed significant expansion of a stub. >> Often for politicians and sportspeople there is already a stub that can be >> filled out. >> >> - finding that a number of the articles apparently written by family >> historians were not encyclopedic in their selection of information nor well >> presented. >> >> >> >> It looks like there will be a 1.5 hour session: >> >> - an intro to WP >> >> - familiarisation with Wikiproject Biography (WP:Notability) >> >> - WP:RS >> >> - Using hardcopy and online resources, (WP:Citing sources) >> >> >> >> Any thoughts, comments, offers to work on the project. Is anybody else >> already doing something along these lines? >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> Paul Foord >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Wikimediaau-l mailing list >> Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l >> >> > > ___ > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l > > -- -- Leigh Blackall <http://about.me/leighblackall> +61(0)404561009 ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Family History related Australian biographies on Wikipedia
in the browser). Many are not accustomed to using > multiple applications/windows at the same time, so having the Wikipedia > article open for editing in one window and the source material in another > may be a new experience for them. > > > > With any group, you will have issues with copying material from other > websites and wanting to upload photos of unknown provenance. Most do not > understand copyright at all. Some will not have had a level of education > where they were expected to use citations and won’t know what they are and > why they matter. Even those with university degrees may be completely > unfamiliar with inline citation, being accustomed to just listing their > sources at the end without linking them to the claims (particularly true > for those in the humanities). > > > > What I tend to suggest when I get asked to do a “short intro” to Wikipedia > is now offer two sessions. The first one is just a talk about Wikipedia > aimed at reading Wikipedia with realistic expectations based on knowing how > it all works. Then have a second hands-on session for those interested to > want to learn to edit; this will be a much smaller group than the first > talk and you have got a lot of the learning curve about Wikipedia out of > the way and can focus on the skills development. If you can have multiple > sessions to teach the hands-on stuff, even better. Practice is important. > > > > I have some slidepacks for general talks and edit training (source editor) > available if you want to use them as a starting point. I don’t yet have a > slide pack for the VE yet although I will be creating one in the next week > or so, as I have to deliver VE training on 8 Feb. Let me know if I can help. > > > > Kerry > > > > > > *From:* Wikimediaau-l [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On > Behalf Of *Paul Foord > *Sent:* Sunday, 24 January 2016 2:36 PM > *To:* Wikimedia-au > *Subject:* [Wikimediaau-l] Family History related Australian biographies > on Wikipedia > > > > Hi all > > > > At a meeting of the Genealogy SA Research and Development Committee I > offered to provide a session on writing biographies for Wikipedia. > > Triggers for this were: > > - my experience finding obituaries and other sources in Trove that > appeared to justify an article, or allowed significant expansion of a stub. > Often for politicians and sportspeople there is already a stub that can be > filled out. > > - finding that a number of the articles apparently written by family > historians were not encyclopedic in their selection of information nor well > presented. > > > > It looks like there will be a 1.5 hour session: > > - an intro to WP > > - familiarisation with Wikiproject Biography (WP:Notability) > > - WP:RS > > - Using hardcopy and online resources, (WP:Citing sources) > > > > Any thoughts, comments, offers to work on the project. Is anybody else > already doing something along these lines? > > > > Regards > > > > Paul Foord > > > > > > ___ > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l > > ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Family History related Australian biographies on Wikipedia
). What I tend to suggest when I get asked to do a “short intro” to Wikipedia is now offer two sessions. The first one is just a talk about Wikipedia aimed at reading Wikipedia with realistic expectations based on knowing how it all works. Then have a second hands-on session for those interested to want to learn to edit; this will be a much smaller group than the first talk and you have got a lot of the learning curve about Wikipedia out of the way and can focus on the skills development. If you can have multiple sessions to teach the hands-on stuff, even better. Practice is important. I have some slidepacks for general talks and edit training (source editor) available if you want to use them as a starting point. I don’t yet have a slide pack for the VE yet although I will be creating one in the next week or so, as I have to deliver VE training on 8 Feb. Let me know if I can help. Kerry From: Wikimediaau-l [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Paul Foord Sent: Sunday, 24 January 2016 2:36 PM To: Wikimedia-au Subject: [Wikimediaau-l] Family History related Australian biographies on Wikipedia Hi all At a meeting of the Genealogy SA Research and Development Committee I offered to provide a session on writing biographies for Wikipedia. Triggers for this were: - my experience finding obituaries and other sources in Trove that appeared to justify an article, or allowed significant expansion of a stub. Often for politicians and sportspeople there is already a stub that can be filled out. - finding that a number of the articles apparently written by family historians were not encyclopedic in their selection of information nor well presented. It looks like there will be a 1.5 hour session: - an intro to WP - familiarisation with Wikiproject Biography (WP:Notability) - WP:RS - Using hardcopy and online resources, (WP:Citing sources) Any thoughts, comments, offers to work on the project. Is anybody else already doing something along these lines? Regards Paul Foord ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Family History related Australian biographies on Wikipedia
Hi Paul This sounds like a great initiative WMAU committee isnt aware of any co-ordinated project along these lines the nearest would be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiTown/Toodyaypedia/stage_II_worksheet which was done as part of the Toodyaypedia project. For some people they might actually like the idea of a QR code to share the person story. The biggest issue will be getting the followup support they will need I suggest you introduce them to WP:AWNB as place to get quick answers and just to be careful they should be aware of COI . Let us know when your talking and we will be on the watch for new editors. On 24 January 2016 at 12:36, Paul Foord wrote: > Hi all > > At a meeting of the Genealogy SA Research and Development Committee I > offered to provide a session on writing biographies for Wikipedia. > > Triggers for this were: > - my experience finding obituaries and other sources in Trove that > appeared to justify an article, or allowed significant expansion of a stub. > Often for politicians and sportspeople there is already a stub that can be > filled out. > - finding that a number of the articles apparently written by family > historians were not encyclopedic in their selection of information nor well > presented. > > It looks like there will be a 1.5 hour session: > - an intro to WP > - familiarisation with Wikiproject Biography (WP:Notability) > - WP:RS > - Using hardcopy and online resources, (WP:Citing sources) > > Any thoughts, comments, offers to work on the project. Is anybody else > already doing something along these lines? > > Regards > > Paul Foord > > > > ___ > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l > > -- GN. President Wikimedia Australia WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
[Wikimediaau-l] Family History related Australian biographies on Wikipedia
Hi all At a meeting of the Genealogy SA Research and Development Committee I offered to provide a session on writing biographies for Wikipedia. Triggers for this were: - my experience finding obituaries and other sources in Trove that appeared to justify an article, or allowed significant expansion of a stub. Often for politicians and sportspeople there is already a stub that can be filled out. - finding that a number of the articles apparently written by family historians were not encyclopedic in their selection of information nor well presented. It looks like there will be a 1.5 hour session: - an intro to WP - familiarisation with Wikiproject Biography (WP:Notability) - WP:RS - Using hardcopy and online resources, (WP:Citing sources) Any thoughts, comments, offers to work on the project. Is anybody else already doing something along these lines? Regards Paul Foord ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
