Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Photographer on call register
For photographers it would be a combination of self nominated and community identified applicants, realising that the person would firstly want to be available. Then it would be upto the committee to establish what experience the photographer has and what level of trust setting conditions accordingly. This trust of the photographer along with their level of experience would the would be critical as we could get some requests which require a judgement call. example 1 7th Avenue Bridge in Maylands was recently earmarked for demolition and replacement, the person who asked for photos has written a number of FA so knows what is notable, as an experienced photographer I also recongised it met basic notability in being 100+ years old so despite the article being a stub at the time it was an opportunity that had to be taken as priority, photographing the replacement bridge which was opened last week can wait until someone is in the area and takes some photos with no immediate urgency no need to use community funds. example 2 An editor working on a banksia article, has already gone taken it through GA is now working on taking it to FA, as part of that the article requires additional plant structure photos, there is a necessity so this would also be worth spending funds. example 3 new editor starts work on an article about the Bassendean Bridge, yes it notable hears about the program requests photographs, photographer checks theres no image available on Commons but the experienced editor knows to look on Trove and sources a PD image this is sufficient for the time being no need to spend funds. Though the photographer may also notice that this editor has written a couple of new articles recently and expand 1 or two more also about subjects in the same area and choose to get both value for money by spending the day in Bassendean taking photos for each article and other general shots recognising that this would also be an opportunity to reach out to the new editor in a productive collaborative way fostering their continued involvement so money well spent on $10 train fare. All three examples highlights the level of trust the program would be placing on the photographer when they volunteer to be part of the program,... Realising that this was just a mear thought a day ago I think it still needs to be kicked around with a few scenarios thought talked though by the community, maybe even seek out someone to be a guinea pig for a couple of months and see what issues could have been missed before we even consider writing up a policy and asking the committee voting on it On 8 May 2015 at 18:07, Craig Franklin craig.frank...@wikimedia.org.au wrote: Sounds good to me also. The devil will of course be in the detail in how we select which photographers and articles are eligible. What sort of thing do you envision the photographer having to write for the activity? Some stories might be quite interesting, but I also think a lot would just be I went to place X and took a picture of banksia Y, which doesn't add a lot of value. This is only a really minor issue though. General question then, what should be the next step in getting this off the ground? Some sort of official write-up of a policy that we can vote on? Cheers, Craig 2015-05-07 13:59 GMT+10:00 Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@wikimedia.org.au: Sounds good. -- *From:* Gnangarra [mailto:gnanga...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, 7 May 2015 1:51 PM *To:* Kerry Raymond *Cc:* Wikimedia Australia committee; Wikimedia-au *Subject:* Re: Photographer on call register how I see the process working 1. photographer applies to the committe to be listed, 1. committee approves the individual and a budget based on a number of factors, locality, available transport, experience, past reporting 2. committee sets conditions for request, GA or FA content, how far, maximum individual action costs, transport type etc 1. editor request a photo 2. photographer takes, uploads photos 3. submits reciepts to treasurer for payment Its not for outside groups, large projects nor really new editors as some involvement with a past record of success is required before preapproving people to spend WMAu funds, the aim is for experienced individuals to collaborate more effectively. Given that its community funds with oversight but individual making specific decisions on spending would like to think that such trust is vested primarily in members of the WMAU community. As an example User:Casliber is writing another FA on a banksia but lacks a selection of photographs, he know this banksia is common within 100km of Perth there are two registered photographers in Perth Cas contacts one to get a variety of shots to get them the person needs to catch train, fare cost $16.90 return. The photographer decides that the request fits all of the conditions so goes and takes the photos
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Photographer on call register
The Volunteer support program http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Program:Volunteer_support_program is there for more complex or larger requests, if we have people in these fields incurring costs for others then WMAu is available to help, we can include other skills within the register as well the idea is to break the small cost which feel too trivial for some but are a burden for others from creating collaboration barriers. It'd also consolidate and simplify the reporting necessary for activities using member funds with these small amounts On 7 May 2015 at 10:39, Leigh Blackall leighblack...@gmail.com wrote: Good idea. I would like to one day see this extended to producers of other media as well. Video, animation, audio.. Which are especially useful in the projects beyond Wikipedia. Wikinews, Books, Species, Versity... On 7 May 2015 12:31 pm, Gnangarra gnanga...@gmail.com wrote: Just throwing a thought out there to discuss WMAu has for the last few years run an equipment support program where by photographers can get an incentive to provide photographs through funds to help with the purchase of new/updated equipment. A number of people including myself have availed ourselves of the assistance, What I was thinking about is could we encourage greater collaboration through a register of local photographers who would be willing to fulfill requests for specific images. WMAu could support this program by enabling the photographers to have an approved yearly budget say $100 each to cover transport costs for such requests, with out the need to go to the committee for small costs. These photographers could also be accredited WMAu photographers who could apply for access to events under a media accreditation like was organised for the Avalon airshow. Thoughts on what you like to see -- G ideon Vice President Wikimedia Australia WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l -- GN. Vice President Wikimedia Australia WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Photographer on call register
how I see the process working 1. photographer applies to the committe to be listed, 1. committee approves the individual and a budget based on a number of factors, locality, available transport, experience, past reporting 2. committee sets conditions for request, GA or FA content, how far, maximum individual action costs, transport type etc 2. editor request a photo 3. photographer takes, uploads photos 4. submits reciepts to treasurer for payment Its not for outside groups, large projects nor really new editors as some involvement with a past record of success is required before preapproving people to spend WMAu funds, the aim is for experienced individuals to collaborate more effectively. Given that its community funds with oversight but individual making specific decisions on spending would like to think that such trust is vested primarily in members of the WMAU community. As an example User:Casliber is writing another FA on a banksia but lacks a selection of photographs, he know this banksia is common within 100km of Perth there are two registered photographers in Perth Cas contacts one to get a variety of shots to get them the person needs to catch train, fare cost $16.90 return. The photographer decides that the request fits all of the conditions so goes and takes the photos uploads them to commons Cas uses them in the article. Photographer submits the reciepts to the treasurer and get reimbursed $16.90, the photographer then writes a paragraph on an activity page explaining what took place the article for which the images were requested and a link to the images taken. Then either at the end of the period placed on the individual rpogram or when the photographer requires additional funding due to the number of requests the report is formally accepted into the committee minutes. Past practices would be an indicator for future needs, say we have 3 people approved in Perth but no request then the next allocated funds could be reduced or the number of approved people reduced, say there is a demand in Brisbane where there is one photographer spending their allocation every two months then a larger allocation could be given or effort put into identifying additional photographers to spread the work load. On 7 May 2015 at 11:10, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@wikimedia.org.au wrote: It sounds like a good plan. I can see how it would be useful to some of our existing photographers. Also it might provide a way to engage with local photography societies. Would the requests be sent to WMAU and be forwarded to a suitably local registered photographers or would registered photographers just pick from articles in an agreed local subcategory of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_requested_photographs_in_Australia or some other process? Kerry -- *From:* Gnangarra [mailto:gnanga...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, 7 May 2015 12:31 PM *To:* Wikimedia Australia committee; Wikimedia-au *Subject:* Photographer on call register Just throwing a thought out there to discuss WMAu has for the last few years run an equipment support program where by photographers can get an incentive to provide photographs through funds to help with the purchase of new/updated equipment. A number of people including myself have availed ourselves of the assistance, What I was thinking about is could we encourage greater collaboration through a register of local photographers who would be willing to fulfill requests for specific images. WMAu could support this program by enabling the photographers to have an approved yearly budget say $100 each to cover transport costs for such requests, with out the need to go to the committee for small costs. These photographers could also be accredited WMAu photographers who could apply for access to events under a media accreditation like was organised for the Avalon airshow. Thoughts on what you like to see -- G ideon Vice President Wikimedia Australia WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com -- GN. Vice President Wikimedia Australia WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
