Re: [Wikimediaau-l] QR code proposal
It took a long time to get St James' Church, Sydneyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_James%27_Church,_Sydneyup to FA status, but now that it is done, I am pretty sure that a QR code would be acceptable and appropriate, given that: a) St James' is a heritage building of some significance in Sydney and b) the Children's Chapelhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Chapel,_St_James%27_Church,_Sydneyin its crypt already has a QR code on its door. Whiteghost.ink On 4 February 2014 18:09, Janet Reid lucych...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 February 2014 17:31, Gnangarra gnanga...@gmail.com wrote: Dont write off Libraries as being unworthy of QR codes with our relationships with libraries they are good place to both start the research and to look for potential QR codes. True. Flinders Uni Library has Don Dunstan and John Bannon collections. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] QR code proposal
Hi, I made a couple of comments on the talk page of the proposal. I'd point out that obviously not every GA has an obvious location for a plaque, and obviously those ones wouldn't be a part of this programme. On the other hand, there are plenty of articles, like [[Banksia oligantha]], that could conceivably have multiple plaques across different botanic gardens, for instance. So long as we're not sticking to every Good Article must have a plaque!, then I think this is a very good idea that's definitely within the chapter's current capacity. Cheers, Craig On 3 February 2014 22:00, wikimediaau-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote: Message: 1 Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 12:00:40 +1100 From: Toby Hudson tob...@gmail.com To: Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com,Wikimedia Australia Chapter wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] QR code proposal Message-ID: cab2stcb5gfpgcgk0oet-pu_v-qxho9_4_7w_uqhniwu_gz+...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 But I do agree that it would be nice to work with smaller batches if the cost is not too much worse. Toby On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's a good idea. But then I took a quick look at the list of the GA articles for Australia. Yes, 500+ of them, but an awful lot don't seem to have an obvious place to put a plaque. http://tools.wmflabs.org/enwp10/cgi-bin/list2.fcgi?run=yesprojecta=Australiaquality=GA-Class Just starting with the first on the list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Fisher where would we put a plaque for him? He's got a couple of memorials in the UK (where he was born and died) and there is a bust of him in Ballarat (a city with which he does not appear to have been associated). I think we'd face a similar problem with many of the GAs being biographies. Also, in your Freopedia experience, how much time has to go into getting permission from the owner of the place where we want to put the plaque? Again, with Freopedia, you were on the ground and probably well-connected. But Australia-wide it's probably going to be cold-calling in a lot of situations. Did you contact people directly yourself or get introduced by a local historical society or ...? Also, are there any constraints on the number of plaques in a batch? How few could we start with? You mention 100 as a trial in the proposal. Is that the minimum? Or could we run with less? Kerry ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
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I think the initial aim is not the existing GA's but rather focusing on bringing additional articles up to a standard that would warrant a plaque. On 3 February 2014 20:08, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote: Hi, I made a couple of comments on the talk page of the proposal. I'd point out that obviously not every GA has an obvious location for a plaque, and obviously those ones wouldn't be a part of this programme. On the other hand, there are plenty of articles, like [[Banksia oligantha]], that could conceivably have multiple plaques across different botanic gardens, for instance. So long as we're not sticking to every Good Article must have a plaque!, then I think this is a very good idea that's definitely within the chapter's current capacity. Cheers, Craig On 3 February 2014 22:00, wikimediaau-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.orgwrote: Message: 1 Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 12:00:40 +1100 From: Toby Hudson tob...@gmail.com To: Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com,Wikimedia Australia Chapter wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] QR code proposal Message-ID: cab2stcb5gfpgcgk0oet-pu_v-qxho9_4_7w_uqhniwu_gz+...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 But I do agree that it would be nice to work with smaller batches if the cost is not too much worse. Toby On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's a good idea. But then I took a quick look at the list of the GA articles for Australia. Yes, 500+ of them, but an awful lot don't seem to have an obvious place to put a plaque. http://tools.wmflabs.org/enwp10/cgi-bin/list2.fcgi?run=yesprojecta=Australiaquality=GA-Class Just starting with the first on the list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Fisher where would we put a plaque for him? He's got a couple of memorials in the UK (where he was born and died) and there is a bust of him in Ballarat (a city with which he does not appear to have been associated). I think we'd face a similar problem with many of the GAs being biographies. Also, in your Freopedia experience, how much time has to go into getting permission from the owner of the place where we want to put the plaque? Again, with Freopedia, you were on the ground and probably well-connected. But Australia-wide it's probably going to be cold-calling in a lot of situations. Did you contact people directly yourself or get introduced by a local historical society or ...? Also, are there any constraints on the number of plaques in a batch? How few could we start with? You mention 100 as a trial in the proposal. Is that the minimum? Or could we run with less? Kerry ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] QR code proposal
I agree that's the main aim longer term, because it incentivises editing, but I think the April kickoff batch will almost all be existing GAs, because of the short lead time. But there's still big value in the kickoff batch, because it will show editors the potential, we can start collecting statistics, we can start showing off top Australian content etc. On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 11:33 PM, Gnangarra gnanga...@gmail.com wrote: I think the initial aim is not the existing GA's but rather focusing on bringing additional articles up to a standard that would warrant a plaque. On 3 February 2014 20:08, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.netwrote: Hi, I made a couple of comments on the talk page of the proposal. I'd point out that obviously not every GA has an obvious location for a plaque, and obviously those ones wouldn't be a part of this programme. On the other hand, there are plenty of articles, like [[Banksia oligantha]], that could conceivably have multiple plaques across different botanic gardens, for instance. So long as we're not sticking to every Good Article must have a plaque!, then I think this is a very good idea that's definitely within the chapter's current capacity. Cheers, Craig On 3 February 2014 22:00, wikimediaau-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.orgwrote: Message: 1 Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 12:00:40 +1100 From: Toby Hudson tob...@gmail.com To: Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com,Wikimedia Australia Chapter wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] QR code proposal Message-ID: cab2stcb5gfpgcgk0oet-pu_v-qxho9_4_7w_uqhniwu_gz+...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 But I do agree that it would be nice to work with smaller batches if the cost is not too much worse. Toby On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's a good idea. But then I took a quick look at the list of the GA articles for Australia. Yes, 500+ of them, but an awful lot don't seem to have an obvious place to put a plaque. http://tools.wmflabs.org/enwp10/cgi-bin/list2.fcgi?run=yesprojecta=Australiaquality=GA-Class Just starting with the first on the list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Fisher where would we put a plaque for him? He's got a couple of memorials in the UK (where he was born and died) and there is a bust of him in Ballarat (a city with which he does not appear to have been associated). I think we'd face a similar problem with many of the GAs being biographies. Also, in your Freopedia experience, how much time has to go into getting permission from the owner of the place where we want to put the plaque? Again, with Freopedia, you were on the ground and probably well-connected. But Australia-wide it's probably going to be cold-calling in a lot of situations. Did you contact people directly yourself or get introduced by a local historical society or ...? Also, are there any constraints on the number of plaques in a batch? How few could we start with? You mention 100 as a trial in the proposal. Is that the minimum? Or could we run with less? Kerry ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] QR code proposal
All true, but, from an operational perspective, it's much more time-efficient to approach 1 organisation in relation to many plaques than vice versa. It think there's at least 3 variations here. 1. WMAU celebrates existing GAs by organising plaques where possible. 2. WMAU organises for plaques at willing locations and then tries to motivate its members or WP contributors for generally to upgrade the corresponding articles (as required). 3. Passionate editor (might or might not be WMAU member) either has a GA article or is motivated to work toward one. WMAU organises plaque. Operationally, 1 is the easiest as it can be done with only WMAU resources (time and effort). 2 may need assistance of folks outside of WMAU. 3 is critically dependent on folks outside WMAU. Both 2 and 3 need communication out to Australian editors, which is an area of weakness for us operationally. Engaging outside WMAU increases risk. 1 and 3 are most exposed to the risk that the article doesn't have a location and that the owner does not give permission for the plaque. That risk is reduced with 2 as you start with locations most likely to be willing to multiple plaques, but increases risk that the articles aren't good enough, which is reduced with 1 and 2. If we are trying to impress WMF in a future FDC application, we need to have projects that are successfully implemented and produce nice metrics. That means we need to consider how to reduce implementation risk. Waiting for hundreds of passionate editors to do something we want them to do ... that's something we can't control ... It's ok to use the strategy but I don't think we can rely on it to give us 100 (or whatever) plaques in 12 months. I'd prefer to see strategies 1 or 2 employed to target the 100 plaques and see any from strategy 3 as bonus extras (or reducing the need to get as many from strategy 1 and 2). Sent from my iPad On 3 Feb 2014, at 10:58 am, Toby Hudson tob...@gmail.com wrote: Wait wait ... approach the old Parliament and look to QR code every PM article ... that is a whole separate proposal, it's effectively a mini-wiki-town idea. Maybe ok, but that's quite different to the GA one, mainly because it centralizes the inspiration and motivation: WMAU says prime ministers are important - you volunteer editors should improve the articles about our prime ministers instead of If your passion is for prime ministers (or anything else that can be related to a place), getting an article up to scratch can result in a 'prize' of seeing the article promoted in the real world We don't need to contrive a plaque place for every existing good article, we can be selective about which will be most effective with plaques. Having scanned the list, I think we could find plenty which would have an effective location to kickstart the project and start getting statistically-valid metrics. Toby On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, that is what I was thinking. It may be easier to first find the willing places and then upgrade the articles if necessary. And it would be useful to kill multiple birds with one stone. Because the Museum of Democracy at old Parliament House has a permanent exhibition on the prime ministers: http://moadoph.gov.au/exhibitions/prime-ministers-of-australia-exhibition/ they might not be amenable to QR plaques (but I guess you never know until you ask), but on closer inspection, Ballarat Gardens might indeed be the place to try: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Ministers_Avenue because it appears they have busts of all the PMs and (I would imagine) no easy way to display information about them, so perhaps an ideal opportunity for QR plaques! Kerry From: Gnangarra [mailto:gnanga...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 3 February 2014 9:53 AM To: Kerry Raymond; Wikimedia Australia Chapter Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] QR code proposal The aim is to improve the number of articles of a reasonable standard, there are many articles that need very little to get them past GA its just encouraging someone to make that effort. Yes bios are harder to find suitable places thats why the focus is towards heritage buildings, places, statues etc many of which are in public type ownership which are easier to get permissions from. Taking the Andrew Fisher article, we could approach the old Parliament and look to QR code every PM article as they have a hall with limited information on each Most people responded happily to a written request. running with less increase the cost, the smaller the batch the higher the costs. On 3 February 2014 07:31, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote: I think it’s a good idea. But then I took a quick look at the list of the GA articles for Australia. Yes, 500+ of them, but an awful lot don’t seem to have
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] QR code proposal
volunteer editors should improve the articles about our prime ministers instead of If your passion is for prime ministers (or anything else that can be related to a place), getting an article up to scratch can result in a 'prize' of seeing the article promoted in the real world We don't need to contrive a plaque place for every existing good article, we can be selective about which will be most effective with plaques. Having scanned the list, I think we could find plenty which would have an effective location to kickstart the project and start getting statistically-valid metrics. Toby On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.comwrote: Yes, that is what I was thinking. It may be easier to first find the willing places and then upgrade the articles if necessary. And it would be useful to kill multiple birds with one stone. Because the Museum of Democracy at old Parliament House has a permanent exhibition on the prime ministers: http://moadoph.gov.au/exhibitions/prime-ministers-of-australia-exhibition/ they might not be amenable to QR plaques (but I guess you never know until you ask), but on closer inspection, Ballarat Gardens might indeed be the place to try: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Ministers_Avenue because it appears they have busts of all the PMs and (I would imagine) no easy way to display information about them, so perhaps an ideal opportunity for QR plaques! Kerry -- *From:* Gnangarra [mailto:gnanga...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, 3 February 2014 9:53 AM *To:* Kerry Raymond; Wikimedia Australia Chapter *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaau-l] QR code proposal The aim is to improve the number of articles of a reasonable standard, there are many articles that need very little to get them past GA its just encouraging someone to make that effort. Yes bios are harder to find suitable places thats why the focus is towards heritage buildings, places, statues etc many of which are in public type ownership which are easier to get permissions from. Taking the Andrew Fisher article, we could approach the old Parliament and look to QR code every PM article as they have a hall with limited information on each Most people responded happily to a written request. running with less increase the cost, the smaller the batch the higher the costs. On 3 February 2014 07:31, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's a good idea. But then I took a quick look at the list of the GA articles for Australia. Yes, 500+ of them, but an awful lot don't seem to have an obvious place to put a plaque. http://tools.wmflabs.org/enwp10/cgi-bin/list2.fcgi?run=yesprojecta=Australiaquality=GA-Class Just starting with the first on the list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Fisher where would we put a plaque for him? He's got a couple of memorials in the UK (where he was born and died) and there is a bust of him in Ballarat (a city with which he does not appear to have been associated). I think we'd face a similar problem with many of the GAs being biographies. Also, in your Freopedia experience, how much time has to go into getting permission from the owner of the place where we want to put the plaque? Again, with Freopedia, you were on the ground and probably well-connected. But Australia-wide it's probably going to be cold-calling in a lot of situations. Did you contact people directly yourself or get introduced by a local historical society or ...? Also, are there any constraints on the number of plaques in a batch? How few could we start with? You mention 100 as a trial in the proposal. Is that the minimum? Or could we run with less? Kerry -- *From:* wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Gnangarra *Sent:* Sunday, 2 February 2014 7:25 PM *To:* Wikimedia-au *Subject:* [Wikimediaau-l] QR code proposal Hi Everyone During todays iirc discussion its was suggested that WMAU would create QR codes of articles which achieve GA status. This would enable everyone to participate in the WikiTown format without creating a full project, this will work especially well for places where you have a connection and can assist in gaining permission to install the plaque. The proposal is at http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal:QR_codes_GA_articles Please join the discussion Gideon ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l
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On 4 February 2014 16:33, Toby Hudson tob...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Janet, nice to meet you, No, there's no documentation yet apart from this proposal http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal:QR_codes_GA_articles I'm not quite sure that libraries are the target audience or stakeholder for this project though. The most common example in the trial phase would be to try to attach a plaque to a building for which we already had a good article, and as far as I know there are no Australian library articles at that level. In the continuous phase, anyone able to edit Wikipedia about an Australian place could undertake the challenge to get an article up to good level. For a library patron the most important thing to learn would be how to edit and how to edit well. Once the article is at Good Article level, it's again a matter of getting permission to install a plaque and asking WMAU to print it. I am not thinking of libraries as the subject but as the means. Community libraries often have local history collections. In SA all the public libraries are run through local councils. Local councils would probably like to have good articles and links through QR library community editing could be a way to do that. University Libraries similarly are situated in entities which could have sites and interest in being connected through QR the libraries are a service on site which can help people edit. This course looks like it would be great to train librarians to show others how to make good articles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:School_of_Open_course/February_2014 That could be followed by editing days and maybe some could be QR'd ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
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any thing can be QR coded its a matter of find a valid association to an article, JS Battye library in Perth would be associated with , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Battye or even https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J_S_Battye_Library additionally as its contained within the State library there is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Library_Building or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Library_of_Western_Australia add to that there a number of busts in the Library itself which could be QR coded along with each of the meeting rooms which are named for regions of WA. The same would be the case in Sydney with the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Library_of_New_South_Wales which though currently a C class article looks sufficient to be given a run at GA... then there Mitchell, Dixson, and Macquarie outside theres the Flinders statue and his cat behind. State library of SA itself then theres Mortlock, Jervios or even John Jefferson Bray who despite having an article isnt even linked(oops) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jefferson_Bray I know this an easy exercise for me having done it with Freo, when an article is written every time you create a blue you create a potential QR code link as well. Dont write off Libraries as being unworthy of QR codes with our relationships with libraries they are good place to both start the research and to look for potential QR codes. Every library has a foundation stone and/or an official opening, there is a plaque you can QR codes these to show why the people there are given such an honor, even the lowly politican that turns up to every door opening is notable On 4 February 2014 14:15, Janet Reid lucych...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 February 2014 16:33, Toby Hudson tob...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Janet, nice to meet you, No, there's no documentation yet apart from this proposal http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal:QR_codes_GA_articles I'm not quite sure that libraries are the target audience or stakeholder for this project though. The most common example in the trial phase would be to try to attach a plaque to a building for which we already had a good article, and as far as I know there are no Australian library articles at that level. In the continuous phase, anyone able to edit Wikipedia about an Australian place could undertake the challenge to get an article up to good level. For a library patron the most important thing to learn would be how to edit and how to edit well. Once the article is at Good Article level, it's again a matter of getting permission to install a plaque and asking WMAU to print it. I am not thinking of libraries as the subject but as the means. Community libraries often have local history collections. In SA all the public libraries are run through local councils. Local councils would probably like to have good articles and links through QR library community editing could be a way to do that. University Libraries similarly are situated in entities which could have sites and interest in being connected through QR the libraries are a service on site which can help people edit. This course looks like it would be great to train librarians to show others how to make good articles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:School_of_Open_course/February_2014 That could be followed by editing days and maybe some could be QR'd ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
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On 4 February 2014 17:31, Gnangarra gnanga...@gmail.com wrote: Dont write off Libraries as being unworthy of QR codes with our relationships with libraries they are good place to both start the research and to look for potential QR codes. True. Flinders Uni Library has Don Dunstan and John Bannon collections. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
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I think it's a good idea. But then I took a quick look at the list of the GA articles for Australia. Yes, 500+ of them, but an awful lot don't seem to have an obvious place to put a plaque. http://tools.wmflabs.org/enwp10/cgi-bin/list2.fcgi?run=yes http://tools.wmflabs.org/enwp10/cgi-bin/list2.fcgi?run=yesprojecta=Austral iaquality=GA-Class projecta=Australiaquality=GA-Class Just starting with the first on the list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Fisher where would we put a plaque for him? He's got a couple of memorials in the UK (where he was born and died) and there is a bust of him in Ballarat (a city with which he does not appear to have been associated). I think we'd face a similar problem with many of the GAs being biographies. Also, in your Freopedia experience, how much time has to go into getting permission from the owner of the place where we want to put the plaque? Again, with Freopedia, you were on the ground and probably well-connected. But Australia-wide it's probably going to be cold-calling in a lot of situations. Did you contact people directly yourself or get introduced by a local historical society or .? Also, are there any constraints on the number of plaques in a batch? How few could we start with? You mention 100 as a trial in the proposal. Is that the minimum? Or could we run with less? Kerry _ From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Gnangarra Sent: Sunday, 2 February 2014 7:25 PM To: Wikimedia-au Subject: [Wikimediaau-l] QR code proposal Hi Everyone During todays iirc discussion its was suggested that WMAU would create QR codes of articles which achieve GA status. This would enable everyone to participate in the WikiTown format without creating a full project, this will work especially well for places where you have a connection and can assist in gaining permission to install the plaque. The proposal is at http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal:QR_codes_GA_articles Please join the discussion Gideon ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
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The aim is to improve the number of articles of a reasonable standard, there are many articles that need very little to get them past GA its just encouraging someone to make that effort. Yes bios are harder to find suitable places thats why the focus is towards heritage buildings, places, statues etc many of which are in public type ownership which are easier to get permissions from. Taking the Andrew Fisher article, we could approach the old Parliament and look to QR code every PM article as they have a hall with limited information on each Most people responded happily to a written request. running with less increase the cost, the smaller the batch the higher the costs. On 3 February 2014 07:31, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's a good idea. But then I took a quick look at the list of the GA articles for Australia. Yes, 500+ of them, but an awful lot don't seem to have an obvious place to put a plaque. http://tools.wmflabs.org/enwp10/cgi-bin/list2.fcgi?run=yesprojecta=Australiaquality=GA-Class Just starting with the first on the list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Fisher where would we put a plaque for him? He's got a couple of memorials in the UK (where he was born and died) and there is a bust of him in Ballarat (a city with which he does not appear to have been associated). I think we'd face a similar problem with many of the GAs being biographies. Also, in your Freopedia experience, how much time has to go into getting permission from the owner of the place where we want to put the plaque? Again, with Freopedia, you were on the ground and probably well-connected. But Australia-wide it's probably going to be cold-calling in a lot of situations. Did you contact people directly yourself or get introduced by a local historical society or ...? Also, are there any constraints on the number of plaques in a batch? How few could we start with? You mention 100 as a trial in the proposal. Is that the minimum? Or could we run with less? Kerry -- *From:* wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Gnangarra *Sent:* Sunday, 2 February 2014 7:25 PM *To:* Wikimedia-au *Subject:* [Wikimediaau-l] QR code proposal Hi Everyone During todays iirc discussion its was suggested that WMAU would create QR codes of articles which achieve GA status. This would enable everyone to participate in the WikiTown format without creating a full project, this will work especially well for places where you have a connection and can assist in gaining permission to install the plaque. The proposal is at http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal:QR_codes_GA_articles Please join the discussion Gideon ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] QR code proposal
Yes, that is what I was thinking. It may be easier to first find the willing places and then upgrade the articles if necessary. And it would be useful to kill multiple birds with one stone. Because the Museum of Democracy at old Parliament House has a permanent exhibition on the prime ministers: http://moadoph.gov.au/exhibitions/prime-ministers-of-australia-exhibition/ they might not be amenable to QR plaques (but I guess you never know until you ask), but on closer inspection, Ballarat Gardens might indeed be the place to try: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Ministers_Avenue because it appears they have busts of all the PMs and (I would imagine) no easy way to display information about them, so perhaps an ideal opportunity for QR plaques! Kerry _ From: Gnangarra [mailto:gnanga...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 3 February 2014 9:53 AM To: Kerry Raymond; Wikimedia Australia Chapter Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] QR code proposal The aim is to improve the number of articles of a reasonable standard, there are many articles that need very little to get them past GA its just encouraging someone to make that effort. Yes bios are harder to find suitable places thats why the focus is towards heritage buildings, places, statues etc many of which are in public type ownership which are easier to get permissions from. Taking the Andrew Fisher article, we could approach the old Parliament and look to QR code every PM article as they have a hall with limited information on each Most people responded happily to a written request. running with less increase the cost, the smaller the batch the higher the costs. On 3 February 2014 07:31, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's a good idea. But then I took a quick look at the list of the GA articles for Australia. Yes, 500+ of them, but an awful lot don't seem to have an obvious place to put a plaque. http://tools.wmflabs.org/enwp10/cgi-bin/list2.fcgi?run=yes http://tools.wmflabs.org/enwp10/cgi-bin/list2.fcgi?run=yesprojecta=Austral iaquality=GA-Class projecta=Australiaquality=GA-Class Just starting with the first on the list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Fisher where would we put a plaque for him? He's got a couple of memorials in the UK (where he was born and died) and there is a bust of him in Ballarat (a city with which he does not appear to have been associated). I think we'd face a similar problem with many of the GAs being biographies. Also, in your Freopedia experience, how much time has to go into getting permission from the owner of the place where we want to put the plaque? Again, with Freopedia, you were on the ground and probably well-connected. But Australia-wide it's probably going to be cold-calling in a lot of situations. Did you contact people directly yourself or get introduced by a local historical society or .? Also, are there any constraints on the number of plaques in a batch? How few could we start with? You mention 100 as a trial in the proposal. Is that the minimum? Or could we run with less? Kerry _ From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Gnangarra Sent: Sunday, 2 February 2014 7:25 PM To: Wikimedia-au Subject: [Wikimediaau-l] QR code proposal Hi Everyone During todays iirc discussion its was suggested that WMAU would create QR codes of articles which achieve GA status. This would enable everyone to participate in the WikiTown format without creating a full project, this will work especially well for places where you have a connection and can assist in gaining permission to install the plaque. The proposal is at http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal:QR_codes_GA_articles Please join the discussion Gideon ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] QR code proposal
Find places to be part to larger scale coding is actually a longer journey as it involves a greater level of unknown especially in the article quality process, getting an individual place who can see the article and understand what we are linking to requires a lot less time input. The wole purpose here is to spread this around the country and from that get engagement for the longer term as we make contact On 3 February 2014 08:28, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, that is what I was thinking. It may be easier to first find the willing places and then upgrade the articles if necessary. And it would be useful to kill multiple birds with one stone. Because the Museum of Democracy at old Parliament House has a permanent exhibition on the prime ministers: http://moadoph.gov.au/exhibitions/prime-ministers-of-australia-exhibition/ they might not be amenable to QR plaques (but I guess you never know until you ask), but on closer inspection, Ballarat Gardens might indeed be the place to try: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Ministers_Avenue because it appears they have busts of all the PMs and (I would imagine) no easy way to display information about them, so perhaps an ideal opportunity for QR plaques! Kerry -- *From:* Gnangarra [mailto:gnanga...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, 3 February 2014 9:53 AM *To:* Kerry Raymond; Wikimedia Australia Chapter *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaau-l] QR code proposal The aim is to improve the number of articles of a reasonable standard, there are many articles that need very little to get them past GA its just encouraging someone to make that effort. Yes bios are harder to find suitable places thats why the focus is towards heritage buildings, places, statues etc many of which are in public type ownership which are easier to get permissions from. Taking the Andrew Fisher article, we could approach the old Parliament and look to QR code every PM article as they have a hall with limited information on each Most people responded happily to a written request. running with less increase the cost, the smaller the batch the higher the costs. On 3 February 2014 07:31, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's a good idea. But then I took a quick look at the list of the GA articles for Australia. Yes, 500+ of them, but an awful lot don't seem to have an obvious place to put a plaque. http://tools.wmflabs.org/enwp10/cgi-bin/list2.fcgi?run=yesprojecta=Australiaquality=GA-Class Just starting with the first on the list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Fisher where would we put a plaque for him? He's got a couple of memorials in the UK (where he was born and died) and there is a bust of him in Ballarat (a city with which he does not appear to have been associated). I think we'd face a similar problem with many of the GAs being biographies. Also, in your Freopedia experience, how much time has to go into getting permission from the owner of the place where we want to put the plaque? Again, with Freopedia, you were on the ground and probably well-connected. But Australia-wide it's probably going to be cold-calling in a lot of situations. Did you contact people directly yourself or get introduced by a local historical society or ...? Also, are there any constraints on the number of plaques in a batch? How few could we start with? You mention 100 as a trial in the proposal. Is that the minimum? Or could we run with less? Kerry -- *From:* wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Gnangarra *Sent:* Sunday, 2 February 2014 7:25 PM *To:* Wikimedia-au *Subject:* [Wikimediaau-l] QR code proposal Hi Everyone During todays iirc discussion its was suggested that WMAU would create QR codes of articles which achieve GA status. This would enable everyone to participate in the WikiTown format without creating a full project, this will work especially well for places where you have a connection and can assist in gaining permission to install the plaque. The proposal is at http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal:QR_codes_GA_articles Please join the discussion Gideon ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] QR code proposal
But I do agree that it would be nice to work with smaller batches if the cost is not too much worse. Toby On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.comwrote: I think it's a good idea. But then I took a quick look at the list of the GA articles for Australia. Yes, 500+ of them, but an awful lot don't seem to have an obvious place to put a plaque. http://tools.wmflabs.org/enwp10/cgi-bin/list2.fcgi?run=yesprojecta=Australiaquality=GA-Class Just starting with the first on the list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Fisher where would we put a plaque for him? He's got a couple of memorials in the UK (where he was born and died) and there is a bust of him in Ballarat (a city with which he does not appear to have been associated). I think we'd face a similar problem with many of the GAs being biographies. Also, in your Freopedia experience, how much time has to go into getting permission from the owner of the place where we want to put the plaque? Again, with Freopedia, you were on the ground and probably well-connected. But Australia-wide it's probably going to be cold-calling in a lot of situations. Did you contact people directly yourself or get introduced by a local historical society or ...? Also, are there any constraints on the number of plaques in a batch? How few could we start with? You mention 100 as a trial in the proposal. Is that the minimum? Or could we run with less? Kerry -- *From:* wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Gnangarra *Sent:* Sunday, 2 February 2014 7:25 PM *To:* Wikimedia-au *Subject:* [Wikimediaau-l] QR code proposal Hi Everyone During todays iirc discussion its was suggested that WMAU would create QR codes of articles which achieve GA status. This would enable everyone to participate in the WikiTown format without creating a full project, this will work especially well for places where you have a connection and can assist in gaining permission to install the plaque. The proposal is at http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal:QR_codes_GA_articles Please join the discussion Gideon ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
