Re: [Wikimediach-l] [Executive] WMCH International Working Group Meeting Protocol
Le 10/09/2012 14:31, Ilario Valdelli a écrit : > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Emmanuel Engelhart > mailto:emman...@engelhart.org>> wrote: > > > People who already work on that should join: > * Gabriel leads the WCA topic > * Manuel leads the Wikimedia conference topic > * I'm involved in the francophone part. > > We also have decided that if a topic like this one will become too big > and that the corresponding discussions bore the other members of the > International WG we will build a separate WG... But only at this moment. > > > What I am saying is exactly that these two topics are already big to > have different WGs. > > It means that I should know which is the mailing list *to be flooded*. We have a new created Mailing-list: https://intern.wikimedia.ch/lists/listinfo/international We are aware that our working group gathers pretty different topics. For this reason all messages are moderated and we invite members not flooding it. > I stopped to write in several mailing lists about that exactly because > these topics borrowed other members, but if you like I can give you at > least 10 or 20 mails per day :) This mailing list should not be the main place to work: this is the wiki. We should use the wiki to put the reports, information, projects on the wiki and use the Mailing list only to trigger people on important milestones/events. Emmanuel signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] [Executive] WMCH International Working Group Meeting Protocol
Ok, because also in this case there are different levels of conference. Wikimedia Conference is a conference of boards, the organizers invite mainly the board members and the discussions are mainly discussions between chapters and WMF. WikiCon or LinuxTag are "open" conferences. On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Manuel Schneider < manuel.schnei...@wikimedia.ch> wrote: > > > Am 10.09.2012 14:31, schrieb Ilario Valdelli: > > In addition I don't know what you mean with "Wikimedia conference > > topic", do you mean WikiCon or Wikimedia Conference > > (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2012)? > > In this context the Wikimedia Conference is meant. > > Projects like WikiCon or LinuxTag are also included but as "Chapter > cooperation". > > > /Manuel > -- > Regards > Manuel Schneider > > Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens > Wikimedia CH - Association for the advancement of free knowledge > www.wikimedia.ch > -- Ilario Valdelli Wikimedia CH Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera Switzerland - 8008 Zürich Tel: +41764821371 http://www.wikimedia.ch ___ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] [Executive] WMCH International Working Group Meeting Protocol
Am 10.09.2012 14:31, schrieb Ilario Valdelli: > In addition I don't know what you mean with "Wikimedia conference > topic", do you mean WikiCon or Wikimedia Conference > (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2012)? In this context the Wikimedia Conference is meant. Projects like WikiCon or LinuxTag are also included but as "Chapter cooperation". /Manuel -- Regards Manuel Schneider Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Wikimedia CH - Association for the advancement of free knowledge www.wikimedia.ch ___ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] [Executive] WMCH International Working Group Meeting Protocol
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Emmanuel Engelhart wrote: > > People who already work on that should join: > * Gabriel leads the WCA topic > * Manuel leads the Wikimedia conference topic > * I'm involved in the francophone part. > > We also have decided that if a topic like this one will become too big > and that the corresponding discussions bore the other members of the > International WG we will build a separate WG... But only at this moment. > > What I am saying is exactly that these two topics are already big to have different WGs. It means that I should know which is the mailing list *to be flooded*. I stopped to write in several mailing lists about that exactly because these topics borrowed other members, but if you like I can give you at least 10 or 20 mails per day :) In addition I don't know what you mean with "Wikimedia conference topic", do you mean WikiCon or Wikimedia Conference ( http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2012)? -- Ilario Valdelli Wikimedia CH Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera Switzerland - 8008 Zürich Tel: +41764821371 http://www.wikimedia.ch ___ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] [Executive] WMCH International Working Group Meeting Protocol
Hi Ilario Le 10/09/2012 13:02, Ilario Valdelli a écrit : > There are some important activities already in progress and some > important discussions still open, mainly in the fields of WCA and with > neighbouring chapters. We speak here of a discussion about the position of WMCH, not about the position of the neighbour chapters. I may be wrong, but as far as I know there is on WMCH side neither an open internal discussion nor an official position: http://members.wikimedia.ch/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=WCA > "International projects" may mean everything as it is the meaning of the > word GLAM. The scope of the International WG is now defined (read the meeting protocol) ; not "everything" may be an international WG project/topic. If you have a proposition to improve the scope definition, please make a proposition on the WG talk page. > It would be important to define the fields of the activity or > to know what is already done and what is already in charge of another > group at least to be respectful of the activities of the other parties > in order to don't lose the progress already done. Again, the fields of activity of the International Working Group is now defined. People who wants to work on those topics are invited to join the WG. If you think that one or other topic/project has a better place in an other WG, please let us now... but except the GLAM WG which has a little bit activity - no other WG was concretely started. I do think that for now the International WG is the best place to work - this might of course change in the future if other WG are also really active. > These activities may be identified mainly with: > > a) International relationships with neighbouring chapters (WM DE, WM IT, > WM FR, WM AT) > b) WCA > > The real problem is that these two tasks are done mainly in close > mailing lists (internal or chapters or regional like Iberocoop). International Working Group Mailing list will be closed an we officially ask to have the capacity to make wiki pages private (only readable/writable for members/wiki users). > In the first point there are important activities with Latin chapters > and some others with French chapters. For instance Wikimedia CH is > asking formally to be part of Iberoconf and it is already in the French > speaking Conference. There is nothing about that on the wiki, so for me its not clear what is the strategy, what are the timelines, the involved people, ...: * http://members.wikimedia.ch/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=Iberoconf * http://members.wikimedia.ch/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=francophone So, I invite people to join the IWG to work on that if they are interested in those topics and explain on the wiki what they concretly want to do. > When you had the meeting in Lausanne, I was in Mantua in the festival of > the literature with WM IT. It means that these kind of activities are > already done and the collaboration with some chapters is started some > years ago and it is managed day by day. Yes, this is the case fore many topics/projects... but now we have working groups and those topics will be formally moved to the Working groups. > I agree that there are a lot of potential collaborations not exploited > yet (I have been in contact with Silberwissen and they are open to have > a collaboration with WM CH), but the collaboration with some other > chapters like WM FR or WM IT is already a reality. > > Basically I would invite to separate the activities planned with > neighbourings or to manage them differently because it would be better > to involve who is already working in these fields in order to don't > generate overlapping or conflicts. People who already work on that should join: * Gabriel leads the WCA topic * Manuel leads the Wikimedia conference topic * I'm involved in the francophone part. We also have decided that if a topic like this one will become too big and that the corresponding discussions bore the other members of the International WG we will build a separate WG... But only at this moment. > The WCA is another important point and it's more connected with the > relation of WM CH with WMF. This topic is strongly linked to the role of the WMCH board... but we think there is no reason to avoid an internal discussion about that in the association. I invited people of the board to join the discussion that Gabriel will launched soon. > There is a complicated discussion started one year ago and it is mainly > managed within the board because this discussion happens frequently in > "closed" mailing lists, so it would be really difficult to follow and to > participate to the WCA discussion without an access to the chapters wiki > or to the chapters mailing list. We also do not want to have those discussions publicly, that's why we require somehow privacy for our working tools (wiki/ML). > Even if it would be important to involve more volunteers, this > discussion is more and more "close", so a workin
Re: [Wikimediach-l] [Executive] WMCH International Working Group Meeting Protocol
Hi Emmanuel, good results and I am happy that it has been really productive. Only some small comments. There are some important activities already in progress and some important discussions still open, mainly in the fields of WCA and with neighbouring chapters. "International projects" may mean everything as it is the meaning of the word GLAM. It would be important to define the fields of the activity or to know what is already done and what is already in charge of another group at least to be respectful of the activities of the other parties in order to don't lose the progress already done. These activities may be identified mainly with: a) International relationships with neighbouring chapters (WM DE, WM IT, WM FR, WM AT) b) WCA The real problem is that these two tasks are done mainly in close mailing lists (internal or chapters or regional like Iberocoop). In the first point there are important activities with Latin chapters and some others with French chapters. For instance Wikimedia CH is asking formally to be part of Iberoconf and it is already in the French speaking Conference. When you had the meeting in Lausanne, I was in Mantua in the festival of the literature with WM IT. It means that these kind of activities are already done and the collaboration with some chapters is started some years ago and it is managed day by day. I agree that there are a lot of potential collaborations not exploited yet (I have been in contact with Silberwissen and they are open to have a collaboration with WM CH), but the collaboration with some other chapters like WM FR or WM IT is already a reality. Basically I would invite to separate the activities planned with neighbourings or to manage them differently because it would be better to involve who is already working in these fields in order to don't generate overlapping or conflicts. The WCA is another important point and it's more connected with the relation of WM CH with WMF. There is a complicated discussion started one year ago and it is mainly managed within the board because this discussion happens frequently in "closed" mailing lists, so it would be really difficult to follow and to participate to the WCA discussion without an access to the chapters wiki or to the chapters mailing list. Even if it would be important to involve more volunteers, this discussion is more and more "close", so a working group risks to don't have the tools to work on this task. I hope that it may be helpful. Regards On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Emmanuel Engelhart wrote: > Hi > > We have had last Saturday our first International Working group meeting > in Lausanne. You may find all the details about the meeting, *including > the protocol*, there: > http://members.wikimedia.ch/Working_groups/International/Launch_meeting > > As moderator, I think this meeting was pretty successful: > * 8 people, all of them motivated to make concrete projects > * Scope of the working group was defined > * Many future projects listed (small abstract+member commitment) > * Tools and ways of working discussed and written > * Clear next steps > > Please, take 10 minutes to read the wiki page and give us your feedback. > > Best regards > Emmanuel > > > > ___ > Executive mailing list > execut...@wikimedia.ch > https://intern.wikimedia.ch/lists/listinfo/executive > -- Ilario Valdelli Wikimedia CH Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera Switzerland - 8008 Zürich Tel: +41764821371 http://www.wikimedia.ch ___ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
