Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India chapter
On Sunday 30 January 2011 11:56 AM, jayanta nath wrote: Nos of edit is not criteria. The chapter created as society so there must be voting system. So not worry!! Then what was the criteria? On Sunday 30 January 2011 01:03 PM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar wrote: Can you please put up your ideas and give some examples so that people here will get some more clarity. As you mentioned, things are fair but not enough please put up your ideas so that things will be enough and more I feel I am keeping myself here without any bruises, even against chapter members, challenging their credibility and ability. For me it is good; but for a community it is bad. That explains a lot. :-( (BTW where is president and some other members of chapter? are they members of this list?) I rmember I asked about chapter's future plans in one of the other threads, but still no answer. Is there any basic ideas about future activities? Where I can find them? May I know, whether asking idea is the basic idea? :) (I dont think it is bad, but a chapter need atleast basic line up. don't give MoA link, I've seen it many times :D) For eg, in commons many images originated from India are deleted or waiting to get deleted, just because no source available saying it is in PD. Chapter can initiate a project to find PD images from India. Any member can find many such issues, if they are wiki-rooted. I didn't said I am an 'idea'(l) man. I tried to say, lack of openness of chapter, non-supportive character and credibility doubts of members of chapter. (I got one more, I think.) For now I said enough. I don't want to start this from very beginning again. I hope chapter will take appropriate measures to erase any doubts of users. Thank you. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India chapter
I rmember I asked about chapter's future plans in one of the other threads, but still no answer. Is there any basic ideas about future activities? Where I can find them? Praveen, http://wikimedia.in/wiki/Main_Page is the place where chapter activities are discussed. By the way, the chapter doesn't mean just the EC, it'll include all volunteer members once membership can be opened. Please also remember that the chapter has come into existence only on Jan 3, 2011 and we have had only one meeting so far. We've tried to communicate as often as possible with the wider community through this list and the wiki, but more can be done certainly. Following is a list of activities (compiled by ArunRam for an internal discussion) of the chapter prior to registration (which itself turned out to be a huge exercise): * We have a open mailing list people can write to. It has started to work well. As an example we received an email from community this morning. * The EC members are now responding to queries or comments that come up on the Foundation and India list. * The Wikimedia. in is up and running. You may have noticed EC members beginning to encourage community to use this organize their events. * We have an established internal wiki where our meeting minutes are published, EC project plans drawn, contact repositories being built. * As a team we have learnt to work with each other and understand our complementary skills, we have evolved mechanisms for decision making, rapid actions and dealing with conflict openly and objectively. (To me these are important steps that make effective teams) * The EC team is paying attention to the OTRS lists. Anirudh is taking the lead here. * The EC has been engaging and met community in some cities (Bangalore, Delhi, Mumbai). With grant support form Barry we will be able to do more face to face meetings to build traction. * Sundar and Arjuna are engaging with Google. I am engaging with CDAC. HPN with Knowledge commission. Anirudh and Srinivas are bootstrapping communities in Ahmedabad and Indore. * Arjuna and Anirudh participated and manned stalls at Foss.in along with community (Arun Ganesh). * The EC members have now taken it on them to participate and speak at external forums to spread the word about wikipedia and wikimedia: Gautam spoke at a conference, Arjuna spoke at a international conference in Delhi on localisation, Srinivas spoke at a conference in Bangalore, I spoke at a conference in Bhopal organised by the MP government. * Chapter teams attended meeting with Barry when he was in India and attended a few meetings with Eric and Danese. HPN and I were present for the Jimmy visit. * Gautam and I have been persistently following up with regular follow-up visits to the registrar to close out the Chapter registration. Yes, it has been painfully slow due to government bureaucracy. * Chapter EC members have also actively helped run meetups and academies in cities - Bangalore, Kannada meetup (held recently), Delhi meetup 2. The many Academies that Arjuna has helped with. Individual chapter members co-ordinated many of the hugely successful WP Ten celebratory events across the country recently. BLR (Arun, Gautam, HPN, Arjuna, Srinivas and me), Indore (Srinivas), Delhi (Anirudh), Mysore (HPN), Because of the delay in registration, we have not put these activities under official chapter functions so far. There are so many other examples of such activities of individual members. See http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sundar and Anirudh's participation in the movement roles' project for example. That said, I agree that we should have better and more frequent communications in the future. Hopefully, we can all do that with more support from community members. - Sundar That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted. - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture - Original Message From: praveenp me.prav...@gmail.com To: Discussion list on Indian language projects of Wikimedia. wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sun, January 30, 2011 3:36:41 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India chapter On Sunday 30 January 2011 11:56 AM, jayanta nath wrote: Nos of edit is not criteria. The chapter created as society so there must be voting system. So not worry!! Then what was the criteria? On Sunday 30 January 2011 01:03 PM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar wrote: Can you please put up your ideas and give some examples so that people here will get some more clarity. As you mentioned, things are fair but not enough please put up your ideas so that things will be enough and more I feel I am keeping myself here without any bruises, even against chapter members,
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [WikiX-l] 10 Wikipedia @ Bikaner ( India)
Great job by folks in Bikaner. I believe it was the Srishti Sethi Supriya Chaudhary, students from Rajasthan who came to Bangalore and attended both FOSS.in Bangalore Wikimeetup23http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Bangalore/Bangalore23. Nice to see more woman Wikipedians coming forward. ( This should make Bishakha happy too :) ) Regards Tinu Cherian On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Apurva Tripathi alonemay...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Everyone, One more event in India conducted at Engineering College Bikaner. The snaps will be uploaded soon. About 40-50 guys joined it. It was awesome to be there. I travelled about 120 miles for attending the event. It started with the introduction to Open Source. Then a simple introduction to Wikipedia by Sristhi Sethi. Some facts about Wikimedia foundation from Supriya. One another guy ( I don't know his name but that was the best part) asked some questions about Wikimedia Foundation and distributed some goodies. A video message from Jimmy Wales. Editing Tutorial about Wikipedia and Wiki commons by Apurva Tripathi. A discussion about deletion policy of Wikipedia . Then finally a signature campaign. It was great to be there. A new chapter of Wikipedia began at Bikaner. The one more thing I would like to admit that we really missed the T-shirts. Is there any way to ask for T-shirts so they can be distributed to organizers and participants? Apurva Tripathi ___ WikiX-l mailing list wiki...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikix-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India chapter
Praveen, Forgot to answer one of your questions: Nos of edit is not criteria. The chapter created as society so there must be voting system. So not worry!! Then what was the criteria? While there's no hard criteria that I can give, http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Guidelines_for_future_chapters#Contributor_involvement gives the guidelines: As specified in the requirements, involvement of contributors to the Wikimedia projects is essential to the grounding of a chapter. However, it is crucial that each chapter remains an entity separate from the Wikimedia projects. Chapters are independent organisations that group users of the Wikimedia projects, regardless of their number of edits or roles within the projects, as well as friends and supporters of those projects. Founding a chapter with all the admins in the projects, or only active contributors is the wrong way to go. It is possible that people who are not active contributors will be interested in the real life commitment to the Wikimedia movement that chapters enable, while others who are active contributors will not see the necessity for a chapter. Make sure the balance is kept between who is part of the chapter and who is not. The Wikimedia projects are not the chapter's playground and the chapter should never confer to its members a position of specific power within a Wikimedia project. I think there was a discussion on this earlier and Achal or someone gave a history of how the people came together for this. If anyone can locate the thread on the list archives, please share. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_India_chapter#Background_and_Progress captures parts of it (and the earlier unsuccessful attempts). - Sundar That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted. - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture - Original Message From: praveenp me.prav...@gmail.com To: Discussion list on Indian language projects of Wikimedia. wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sun, January 30, 2011 3:36:41 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India chapter On Sunday 30 January 2011 11:56 AM, jayanta nath wrote: Nos of edit is not criteria. The chapter created as society so there must be voting system. So not worry!! Then what was the criteria? On Sunday 30 January 2011 01:03 PM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar wrote: Can you please put up your ideas and give some examples so that people here will get some more clarity. As you mentioned, things are fair but not enough please put up your ideas so that things will be enough and more I feel I am keeping myself here without any bruises, even against chapter members, challenging their credibility and ability. For me it is good; but for a community it is bad. That explains a lot. :-( (BTW where is president and some other members of chapter? are they members of this list?) I rmember I asked about chapter's future plans in one of the other threads, but still no answer. Is there any basic ideas about future activities? Where I can find them? May I know, whether asking idea is the basic idea? :) (I dont think it is bad, but a chapter need atleast basic line up. don't give MoA link, I've seen it many times :D) For eg, in commons many images originated from India are deleted or waiting to get deleted, just because no source available saying it is in PD. Chapter can initiate a project to find PD images from India. Any member can find many such issues, if they are wiki-rooted. I didn't said I am an 'idea'(l) man. I tried to say, lack of openness of chapter, non-supportive character and credibility doubts of members of chapter. (I got one more, I think.) For now I said enough. I don't want to start this from very beginning again. I hope chapter will take appropriate measures to erase any doubts of users. Thank you. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Photos from Wikipedia meetup, Mangalore - Jan 29, 2011
Wikipedia Meetup, Mangalore #1 at St. Aloysius, Mangalore. I had been invited to give a talk on Sampada at Catholic Press Association, Mangalore. Since I was in the town, we had called for a Wikipedia meetup on Saturday afternoon at St. Aloysius. We had some great time discussing Wikipedia, Konkani and Tulu along with Kannada figuring most in the discussions. Photos are here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hpnadig/sets/72157625942734564/ Cheers, -- Hari Prasad Nadig http://hpnadig.net | http://twitter.com/hpnadig http://flickr.com/hpnadig ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-IN-Exec] Photos from Wikipedia meetup, Mangalore - Jan 29, 2011
Thanks for sharing this. I didn't realize there were such a large Catholic institution at Mangalore. Excellent pictures. regards Arun On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Hari Prasad Nadig hpna...@gmail.comwrote: Wikipedia Meetup, Mangalore #1 at St. Aloysius, Mangalore. I had been invited to give a talk on Sampada at Catholic Press Association, Mangalore. Since I was in the town, we had called for a Wikipedia meetup on Saturday afternoon at St. Aloysius. We had some great time discussing Wikipedia, Konkani and Tulu along with Kannada figuring most in the discussions. Photos are here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hpnadig/sets/72157625942734564/ Cheers, -- Hari Prasad Nadig http://hpnadig.net | http://twitter.com/hpnadig http://flickr.com/hpnadig ___ Wikimedia-IN-Exec mailing list wikimedia-in-e...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-exec ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Developers list for India specific discussions
Hi everyone, During the weeks running up to Wikipedia 10 event, there was a talk on requesting a developers list for India specific discussions. The need for an India specific developers list is quite obvious considering that we have several Indian language projects on Wikimedia, each needing specific attention in terms of technology to improve contributions and community. Considering that there is growing interest in India about Wikimedia, about mediawiki - platform that runs Wikipedia and related projects; taking into account that there is a growing community of developers interested to contribute, develop on India specific projects, an India specific list of developers seems to be a necessity. The initial request for a mailing list was made in December: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26436 However, there hasn't been consensus yet. There was discussion on whether this would create unnecessary fragmentation. Here's inviting thoughts, opinions. Or support, if we can gather some for creation of this mailing list. -- Hari Prasad Nadig http://hpnadig.net | http://twitter.com/hpnadig http://flickr.com/hpnadig ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Developers list for India specific discussions
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Hari Prasad Nadig hpna...@gmail.comwrote: Hi everyone, During the weeks running up to Wikipedia 10 event, there was a talk on requesting a developers list for India specific discussions. The need for an India specific developers list is quite obvious considering that we have several Indian language projects on Wikimedia, each needing specific attention in terms of technology to improve contributions and community. Considering that there is growing interest in India about Wikimedia, about mediawiki - platform that runs Wikipedia and related projects; taking into account that there is a growing community of developers interested to contribute, develop on India specific projects, an India specific list of developers seems to be a necessity. The initial request for a mailing list was made in December: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26436 However, there hasn't been consensus yet. There was discussion on whether this would create unnecessary fragmentation. Here's inviting thoughts, opinions. Or support, if we can gather some for creation of this mailing list. Good idea. It will be useful. Cheers Arjun ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Updating the logo of Indian Language Wikipedias
Dear Indic language wikipedians, As many of you know the default skin of wikipedias (including that of all Indic language wikipedias) is moved to the new Vector skin some time back. Please see the below mail that I sent to this list regrading this on *2010 July 1*. As some of you know, along with this update, the logo of wikipedia is also updated. The current logo is available herehttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia/2.0. But even though almost 6 months had passed after this major update, only Bengali http://bn.wikipedia.org, Malayalam http://ml.wikipedia.org, Urduhttp://ur.wikipedia.org, and Telugu http://te.wikipedia.org wiki communities had took initiatives to update the logo. The logo update is still pending for the following Indian language wikis. - Assamese - http://as.wikipedia.org - Bhojpuri - http://bh.wikipedia.org - Bishnupriya Manipuri - http://bpy.wikipedia.org/ - Divehi - http://dv.wikipedia.org - Gujarati - http://gu.wikipedia.org - Hindi - http://hi.wikipedia.org - Kannada - http://kn.wikipedia.org/ - Kashmiri - http://ks.wikipedia.org/ - Marathi - http://mr.wikipedia.org - Nepali - http://ne.wikipedia.org - Oriya - http://or.wikipedia.org - Pali - http://pi.wikipedia.org - Punjabi - http://pa.wikipedia.org - Sanskrit - http://sa.wikipedia.org - Sindhi - http://sd.wikipedia.org - Tamil - http://ta.wikipedia.org Carry Bass (User:Bastique http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Bastique) has took initiative to create the new logo for some of the Indian language wikis. But for languages like Kannada, Oriya, and so on even that is pending. Even if the new logo is created a bug needs to be filed by the respective wiki community to change the logo. So for most of the Indian wikis both these tasks are pending now. I request the respective language communities to take initiatives to create the new logo and file a bug for this update. The guidelines for creating the new logo is listed at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikimedia_official_marks/Word_mark_creation Please write to me if any of the language communities require any type of support regarding this. Regards Shiju Alex -- Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 06:43:08 +0200 From: shijualexonl...@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Updating the default skin of Indian Language Wikipedias Hi All, As some of you already know, *Usability Teamhttp://usability.wikimedia.org * is driving the task of updating the default skin of all WikiMedia Foundation wikis to a skin called *Vector*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vector. English Wikipedia and some other big wikis have already moved to *Vector skin* some time back. Apart from the UI, the logo of Wikipedia is also updated http://blog.wikimedia.org/2010/wikipedia-in-3d/. Yesterday (2010 June 30) at 10:30 PM IST, some other wikis (that have carried out the formalities required for the UI change) are also moved to the new UI. Among this, 3 Indian Language Wikipedias are also there. Following are those Indian Language wikipedias: - Malayalam - http://ml.wikipedia.org - Bengali - http://bn.wikipedia.org - Telugu - http://te.wikipedia.org Please note the new default skin and the new logo that are appearing on these wikis. (You may need to clear the cache to see the changes. ) Now to move your language wiki to Vector, you have to perform the following two major operations: 1. Update the logo of your wiki 2. Localize the Vector skin system messages Logo update For some languages, logo is already updated. See the list here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia/2.0 If your wiki's logo is missing from this list, then you need to create the new logo based on the instructions listed on this page. http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikimedia_official_marks/About_the_official_Marks Localizing the Vector skin System messages For the current update, you need to localize the Vector skin system messages. To localize the system messages, use Translate wiki - http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Main_Page The current Localization statistics of Vector skin system messages is available here. http://translatewiki.net/wiki/User:GerardM/usability-stats You can see that many Indian languages (for example, Tamil) are missing from this list. The reason is, none of the Vector skin system messages are localized for those languages. Even for the big Languages like Hindi and Marathi the percentage of localized messages is very low. So I request the respective Indian Language Wikipedia communities to take required initiative to switch over to the new Skin. Usability team is planning for next set of switch over by the end of July. So you have almost one month to finish these tasks. Once you finish the above tasks you need to: - Let the community know about this upcoming update (Use the village pump, Site Notice, Mailing list, and so on) -
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Photos from Wikipedia meetup, Mangalore - Jan 29, 2011
Good to know, HPN. - Sundar That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted. - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture From: Hari Prasad Nadig hpna...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia India List wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org; Kannada Wikipedia Discussion List wikik...@wikipedia.org wikik...@lists.wikimedia.org; Executive Committee, Wikimedia India wikimedia-in-e...@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Mon, January 31, 2011 8:14:38 AM Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Photos from Wikipedia meetup, Mangalore - Jan 29, 2011 Wikipedia Meetup, Mangalore #1 at St. Aloysius, Mangalore. I had been invited to give a talk on Sampada at Catholic Press Association, Mangalore. Since I was in the town, we had called for a Wikipedia meetup on Saturday afternoon at St. Aloysius. We had some great time discussing Wikipedia, Konkani and Tulu along with Kannada figuring most in the discussions. Photos are here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hpnadig/sets/72157625942734564/ Cheers, -- Hari Prasad Nadig http://hpnadig.net | http://twitter.com/hpnadig http://flickr.com/hpnadig ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
