Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Presenting The India Chronicles
So I read it and then re-read it and for the most part, the journey has been well captured. At least for the period in time from when I have been associated with this wonderful community. There is something that struck me though. Now that the journey and the story has been captured in the written form, in many ways, this *will* form the back story to the Indian community and Wikimedia movement. I'm wondering how comfortable everyone is with that? Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Presenting The India Chronicles
There is something that struck me though. Now that the journey and the story has been captured in the written form, in many ways, this *will* form the back story to the Indian community and Wikimedia movement. I'm wondering how comfortable everyone is with that? It's difficult for anything to be *the* back story of the movement, much less this one. - Sundar That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted. - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture From: Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org To: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2011 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Presenting The India Chronicles So I read it and then re-read it and for the most part, the journey has been well captured. At least for the period in time from when I have been associated with this wonderful community. There is something that struck me though. Now that the journey and the story has been captured in the written form, in many ways, this *will* form the back story to the Indian community and Wikimedia movement. I'm wondering how comfortable everyone is with that? Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Presenting The India Chronicles
On 9 October 2011 15:36, BalaSundaraRaman sundarbe...@yahoo.com wrote: It's difficult for anything to be *the* back story of the movement, much less this one. I agree Sundar. What I meant was that this particular narrative is now the only one committed to paper (as it were) and will be crawled and indexed and searched and read and referenced and since it is the only narrative that is discoverable, outside the Community that is, it will tend towards being the default one in my opinion. Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Presenting The India Chronicles
I agree Sundar. What I meant was that this particular narrative is now the only one committed to paper (as it were) and will be crawled and indexed and searched and read and referenced and since it is the only narrative that is discoverable, outside the Community that is, it will tend towards being the default one in my opinion. Which is what I'm concerned about as well, Gautam. - Sundar That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted. - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture - Original Message - From: Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org To: BalaSundaraRaman sundarbe...@yahoo.com; Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2011 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Presenting The India Chronicles On 9 October 2011 15:36, BalaSundaraRaman sundarbe...@yahoo.com wrote: It's difficult for anything to be *the* back story of the movement, much less this one. I agree Sundar. What I meant was that this particular narrative is now the only one committed to paper (as it were) and will be crawled and indexed and searched and read and referenced and since it is the only narrative that is discoverable, outside the Community that is, it will tend towards being the default one in my opinion. Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Facilitators for Wiki Academy at LNCT-INDORE
Hi, We are looking for experienced Wikipedians from places preferably near to Indore for conducting Wiki Academy at LNCT. The sessions will be in English for one day on one of the weekends convenient to both LNCT and identified Facilitator. Necessary travel/stay expense will be reimbursed by LNCT. More information is available at http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wiki_Academy and the report of one of the events is available at http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wiki_Academy/Department_of_Public_Libraries,_Bangalore Kindly contact within 3 days with brief details of your experience in Wikipedia and/or conducting Wiki Academies/outreach events. Thanks Arjuna Rao Chavala President,Wikimedia India ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Presenting The India Chronicles
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 4:39 PM, BalaSundaraRaman sundarbe...@yahoo.comwrote: I agree Sundar. What I meant was that this particular narrative is now the only one committed to paper (as it were) and will be crawled and indexed and searched and read and referenced and since it is the only narrative that is discoverable, outside the Community that is, it will tend towards being the default one in my opinion. Which is what I'm concerned about as well, Gautam. - Sundar I think Tory did a great job and had her finger on the pulse, and I do see your larger point too. So I think one good way forward in general - and this doesn't hold only for wikipedia, but for history making in general - is for others to start documenting and writing histories too. Either of individual indic language wikipedias, or alternate views of the same thing. It's always good to have multiple accounts of the same period/s or phenomenon/s, seen through different eyes and lenses, if only to ensure that there is no one official history. In that spirit, I do think the first edition of the community newsletter (published in 2010), subsequent editions of the newsletter, and Gautam's article in Critical Point of View are also vital narratives of wikipedia in India, that tell parts of the story. Hopefully, these are easily accessible, online atleast. Which is my way of saying that I don't see Tory's narrative as the official one, and the others as unofficial. For me, they all tell parts of the story through their own lenses. Cheers Bishakha ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Presenting The India Chronicles
On 9 October 2011 21:57, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.com wrote: I think Tory did a great job and had her finger on the pulse I mostly agree with you, Bishakha. So I think one good way forward in general - and this doesn't hold only for wikipedia, but for history making in general - is for others to start documenting and writing histories too. Either of individual indic language wikipedias, or alternate views of the same thing. This is pretty much what I was referring to. That if there are individuals, groups or communities who feel this is not representative of their view, then please document your narrative. Else, it'll be lost and this is the only and dominant narrative we will have to rely upon. Which is my way of saying that I don't see Tory's narrative as the official one, and the others as unofficial. For me, they all tell parts of the story through their own lenses. It isn't so much about official and unofficial narratives - it's about dominance and if this is the only one then it is the dominant one. And dominance is about more than just the existence of a single narrative. Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Presenting The India Chronicles
On 9 October 2011 23:43, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.com wrote: And I think part of it is how we choose to see it and who/what we choose to hear - if I choose to see Tory's piece as dominant because it was commissioned by the Foundation, then that determines how much power I give it. If I decide it is an interesting chronicle of a moment in time, then it becomes 'a' version, not 'the' version. Two ways to look at this. One is from within the Community and one is from outside. For the former, we know of the existence of multiple narratives and this forms part of our organic history. For those outside and looking in, the source of this narrative and that it is the only easily discoverable one weight it accordingly. Also: want to second Hisham in suggesting that people add their comments on Tory's piece, since that too is the intention. +1 And this isn't meat to take anything away from Tory's work - which I think is well researched, well written and fairly presented. Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Presenting The India Chronicles
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 23:23, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote: On 9 October 2011 21:57, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.com wrote: I think Tory did a great job and had her finger on the pulse I mostly agree with you, Bishakha. Agree, It was a quite an elaborate one. So I think one good way forward in general - and this doesn't hold only for wikipedia, but for history making in general - is for others to start documenting and writing histories too. Either of individual indic language wikipedias, or alternate views of the same thing. This is pretty much what I was referring to. That if there are individuals, groups or communities who feel this is not representative of their view, then please document your narrative. Else, it'll be lost and this is the only and dominant narrative we will have to rely upon. I would treat her history just like a Wikipedia page having bunch of references.Gone are the days when people relied on one document to get narrative and am not sure if it would be worthier effort to keep documenting open communities which document itself periodically. Like we have the list archives, village pumps, millions of other publically crawl-able pages on internet that anyone who wants to know can always dig and get more. Wait for few more years, you will have history.li like paper.li which can digest and create personal accounts of history on subjects intelligently, automatically given the public sources. I hope we dont need Oral citations for this page ;) ;) , What say Aachal? -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
