Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?
Thanks Arun for clarification. I can understand difficulty in getting registration. As society registration is done, Hope so membership criteria will improve, so more and more people can become part of movement. My query was just to make sure access is available to all irrespective of age and nationality barrier! :) Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune -- Forwarded message -- From: Arun Ramarathnam arunra...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 19:53:50 +0530 Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG? On Feb 2, 2013 7:22 PM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Why there is 18 age limit to become member of Wikimedia India Chapter? Dear Abhishek, I can take that query as one of the folks involved in preparing and debating the original MOA clauses of the chapter. The original intent was to keep membership criteria as open as possible - age, citizenship, etc. However the advise of the consultant who helped us with the society registration was to limit membership to adults and indian citizens based on their prior experience with getting these registrations through quickly. We were advised that we could later seek permissions for the above if the authorities so permitted. Not with standing these limitations it took the lot of meetings with authorities to get the formal registration through. I have attended many of these meetings to get due clearance. Hope that clarifies your query. Regards Arun -- Forwarded message -- From: Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com To: Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in Cc: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 19:21:39 +0530 Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG? Dear Srikanth, *When I mentioned it is easy to become a member, I meant for Indian citizens.* 100 Rupee is membership fee and whether its small amount or large amount is different point of view. Why there is 18 age limit to become member of Wikimedia India Chapter? Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune _ *Srikanth Ramakrishnan* srik.ramk at wikimedia.in wikimediaindia-l%40lists.wikimedia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BWikimediaindia-l%5D%20How%20to%20set%20up%20a%20SIG%3FIn-Reply-To=%3CCAKZFZLu1coq2ts46VsaN4_JOuRtqUUXNU0TNx%2BdRXk_4zw81RA%40mail.gmail.com%3E Due to legal restrictions only an Indian citizen can become a member of the Chapter. When I mentioned it is easy to become a member, I meant for Indian citizens. On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) smazeland at wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l wrote: * On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan ** srik.ramk at wikimedia.in https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l wrote: Becoming a member is pretty easy. It costs INR 100 to join and requires a** single form to be filled and sent across.** Actually, it isn't. As Bence is not an Indian citizen over 18 or an Indian** institution, he cannot be a member. Cheers!** --** Siebrand** ___** Wikimediaindia-l mailing list** Wikimediaindia-l at lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l** To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit** https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l* -- Srikanth Ramakrishnan Member of the Executive Committee Wikimedia Chapter [India] ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India needs your support: Our First Fundraiser
Nice initiative. It would be great to have 'in-kind' donations option along with monetary option. i.e If someone wants to donate projector,room,laptop etc in-kind, It may be easy for donor also as well as Chapter to receive it. This will also make sure Tax money is saved from both ends. Just two cents from my side. Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune -- Forwarded message -- From: Karthik Nadar karthik...@wikimedia.in To: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 21:19:57 +0530 Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India needs your support: Our First Fundraiser *Dear all,* * * *On the second anniversary of the Chapter, we made public our intention of running our first fundraiser. Going ahead with the first phase of this plan, we will be running a central site notice on the chapter website for a period of two calendar months starting 1 February, 2013. In the second phase of this plan, we aim to approach high networth individuals and corporates in the month of March 2013. This will be done using personal and professional networks of current and past EC members, staff, volunteers among others.* * Suggestions, help and support from the community on what we can do to ensure success of this fundraiser are welcome. Every drop counts :) Donations can be made by Online Bank Transfer (NEFT/RTGS) or by sending us a Cheque through snail mail. We are unable to accept card payments at this current time. Link to the donation page on our website: http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donate Thanking you, Executive Committee, Wikimedia India. *Reasoning* (From our public statement on 4 January, 2013) A lot of people may ask why the chapter needs a fundraiser when it has access to WMF funding. The answer is, we are still ineligible for FDC of WMF (we hope to be eligible for the second round of funding in 2013) and would need to rely on grants, spending of which is restricted by the WMF. Since formation, the chapter has relied heavily on the Executive Committee to take on the burden of running the show. In an ideal world, the EC would like to take on the role of guiding the chapter rather than actually be responsible for operations after two years of incorporation, which should be best done by professionals rather than volunteers in their spare time. The chapter has hired an employee (Sowmyan Tirumurti, our Executive Manager) as well as plans to lease its own office premises in Bangalore. We will need the help of those volunteers who are in a position to support us. It could be a small individual donation or in the form of a corporate donation from an institution. A small token of support from you could go a long way in helping us achieving our goals of furthering the movement in India.* * * * * -- Thanks and regards, Karthik Nadar, Secretary, Wikimedia India Chapter. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India needs your support: Our First Fundraiser
Hello Abhishek, thank you for your suggestion. The 'in-kind' donation idea, while good actually has a small glitch. Anything that comes to the Chapter would be considered an asset and be kept in a certain place physically. Moving it out to a different place becomes a problem. Anyway, thanks for the suggestion. Do spread the word about our fundraiser though. On 2/7/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Nice initiative. It would be great to have 'in-kind' donations option along with monetary option. i.e If someone wants to donate projector,room,laptop etc in-kind, It may be easy for donor also as well as Chapter to receive it. This will also make sure Tax money is saved from both ends. Just two cents from my side. Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune -- Forwarded message -- From: Karthik Nadar karthik...@wikimedia.in To: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 21:19:57 +0530 Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India needs your support: Our First Fundraiser *Dear all,* * * *On the second anniversary of the Chapter, we made public our intention of running our first fundraiser. Going ahead with the first phase of this plan, we will be running a central site notice on the chapter website for a period of two calendar months starting 1 February, 2013. In the second phase of this plan, we aim to approach high networth individuals and corporates in the month of March 2013. This will be done using personal and professional networks of current and past EC members, staff, volunteers among others.* * Suggestions, help and support from the community on what we can do to ensure success of this fundraiser are welcome. Every drop counts :) Donations can be made by Online Bank Transfer (NEFT/RTGS) or by sending us a Cheque through snail mail. We are unable to accept card payments at this current time. Link to the donation page on our website: http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donate Thanking you, Executive Committee, Wikimedia India. *Reasoning* (From our public statement on 4 January, 2013) A lot of people may ask why the chapter needs a fundraiser when it has access to WMF funding. The answer is, we are still ineligible for FDC of WMF (we hope to be eligible for the second round of funding in 2013) and would need to rely on grants, spending of which is restricted by the WMF. Since formation, the chapter has relied heavily on the Executive Committee to take on the burden of running the show. In an ideal world, the EC would like to take on the role of guiding the chapter rather than actually be responsible for operations after two years of incorporation, which should be best done by professionals rather than volunteers in their spare time. The chapter has hired an employee (Sowmyan Tirumurti, our Executive Manager) as well as plans to lease its own office premises in Bangalore. We will need the help of those volunteers who are in a position to support us. It could be a small individual donation or in the form of a corporate donation from an institution. A small token of support from you could go a long way in helping us achieving our goals of furthering the movement in India.* * * * * -- Thanks and regards, Karthik Nadar, Secretary, Wikimedia India Chapter. -- Srikanth Ramakrishnan Member of the Executive Committee Wikimedia Chapter [India] Donate to the Wikimedia India Chapter todayhttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donations ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?
While the age restriction might be modifiable, I'm not too sure yet, will have to check with the Karnataka Registrar of Societies, the Nationality of members has to be Indian as set down by the Ministry of Home Affairs, Goverment of India. On 2/7/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Arun for clarification. I can understand difficulty in getting registration. As society registration is done, Hope so membership criteria will improve, so more and more people can become part of movement. My query was just to make sure access is available to all irrespective of age and nationality barrier! :) Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune -- Forwarded message -- From: Arun Ramarathnam arunra...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 19:53:50 +0530 Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG? On Feb 2, 2013 7:22 PM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Why there is 18 age limit to become member of Wikimedia India Chapter? Dear Abhishek, I can take that query as one of the folks involved in preparing and debating the original MOA clauses of the chapter. The original intent was to keep membership criteria as open as possible - age, citizenship, etc. However the advise of the consultant who helped us with the society registration was to limit membership to adults and indian citizens based on their prior experience with getting these registrations through quickly. We were advised that we could later seek permissions for the above if the authorities so permitted. Not with standing these limitations it took the lot of meetings with authorities to get the formal registration through. I have attended many of these meetings to get due clearance. Hope that clarifies your query. Regards Arun -- Forwarded message -- From: Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com To: Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in Cc: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 19:21:39 +0530 Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG? Dear Srikanth, *When I mentioned it is easy to become a member, I meant for Indian citizens.* 100 Rupee is membership fee and whether its small amount or large amount is different point of view. Why there is 18 age limit to become member of Wikimedia India Chapter? Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune _ *Srikanth Ramakrishnan* srik.ramk at wikimedia.in wikimediaindia-l%40lists.wikimedia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BWikimediaindia-l%5D%20How%20to%20set%20up%20a%20SIG%3FIn-Reply-To=%3CCAKZFZLu1coq2ts46VsaN4_JOuRtqUUXNU0TNx%2BdRXk_4zw81RA%40mail.gmail.com%3E Due to legal restrictions only an Indian citizen can become a member of the Chapter. When I mentioned it is easy to become a member, I meant for Indian citizens. On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) smazeland at wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l wrote: * On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan ** srik.ramk at wikimedia.in https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l wrote: Becoming a member is pretty easy. It costs INR 100 to join and requires a** single form to be filled and sent across.** Actually, it isn't. As Bence is not an Indian citizen over 18 or an Indian** institution, he cannot be a member. Cheers!** --** Siebrand** ___** Wikimediaindia-l mailing list** Wikimediaindia-l at lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l** To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit** https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l* -- Srikanth Ramakrishnan Member of the Executive Committee Wikimedia Chapter [India] -- Srikanth Ramakrishnan Member of the Executive Committee Wikimedia Chapter [India] Donate to the Wikimedia India Chapter todayhttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donations ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?
Hello, 2013/2/8 Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in: While the age restriction might be modifiable, I'm not too sure yet, will have to check with the Karnataka Registrar of Societies, the Nationality of members has to be Indian as set down by the Ministry of Home Affairs, Goverment of India. Are you really sure about that? I am very surprised. Most NGO in India accepted membership from foreign residents / expatriates. I would register to Wikimedia India if possible. Regards, Yann ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India needs your support: Our First Fundraiser
Dear Srikanth, It different than asset concept. Its about making process cashless. For example, Chapter needs xyz amount to manage Travel (For Board meetings,attending events etc), This can be zeroed down by having 'in-kind' Airline or Travel/Hospitality partner. i.e instead of providing money to they will offer service/tickets directly, and this gives them tax exemption under Corporate Social Responsibility (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_corporate_social_responsibility_in_India) By providing cashless service - In return they get branding and exemption from Government of India. For company - its easy to provide service as compared to money, If they provide money - then they have to pay tax. So could you please provide Chapters requirements for next one year? So we can find donors easily? What are Chapters plans after receiving donations? If this is crystal clear - then its easy to attract more corporates and individuals to donate. This is real glitch - There is separate WMF Fundraiser every year, where Jimmy Wales makes appeal for donation. People might get confused, Many Indians donate directly to WMF. Is it fair to ask them to do same again? From third person, it looks like - WMF runs donation campaign, then asks regional chapters to raise money on their own instead of supporting them. Is there any kind of rejection from WMF to support Chapter activities financially? or Chapters proposed budget is beyond WMF approval? Already we have few volunteers to spread Wikimedia mission in India. Instead of spending volunteers precious energy on raising donations, Its better to devote same energy to fulfill Wikimedia mission? Just curiosity question : Before announcement - Was there any public discussion about having 'separate' donation campaign? Who proposed and approved idea? Clarification about Chapters expected budget and 'exact' financial requirements will enable easy donations. Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune *On 2/7/13, Srikanth Ramakrishnan* srik.ramk at wikimedia.in wikimediaindia-l%40lists.wikimedia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BWikimediaindia-l%5D%20Wikimedia%20India%20needs%20your%20support%3A%20Our%0A%09First%20FundraiserIn-Reply-To=%3CCAKZFZLvZcF12UFJxgut5K9Tw5x%3DV_CG5bqdQ_KzUMTbtpPkjfA%40mail.gmail.com%3E wrote : Hello Abhishek, thank you for your suggestion. The 'in-kind' donation idea, while good actually has a small glitch. Anything that comes to the Chapter would be considered an asset and be kept in a certain place physically. Moving it out to a different place becomes a problem. Anyway, thanks for the suggestion. Do spread the word about our fundraiser though. On 2/7/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawanshi at gmail.com https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l wrote: * Nice initiative. It would be great to have 'in-kind' donations option along with monetary** option. i.e If someone wants to donate projector,room,laptop etc in-kind, It may be** easy for donor also as well as Chapter to receive it. This will also make** sure Tax money is saved from both ends. Just two cents from my side. Regards,** Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune -- Forwarded message --** From: Karthik Nadar karthikndr at wikimedia.in https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l** To: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l at lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l** Cc:** Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 21:19:57 +0530** Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India needs your support: Our First** Fundraiser** *Dear all,*** *** *** *On the second anniversary of the Chapter, we made public our intention of** running our first fundraiser. Going ahead with the first phase of this** plan, we will be running a central site notice on the chapter website for a** period of two calendar months starting 1 February, 2013. In the second** phase of this plan, we aim to approach high networth individuals and** corporates in the month of March 2013. This will be done using personal and** professional networks of current and past EC members, staff, volunteers** among others.*** *** Suggestions, help and support from the community on what we can do to** ensure success of this fundraiser are welcome. Every drop counts :) Donations can be made by Online Bank Transfer (NEFT/RTGS) or by sending us** a Cheque through snail mail. We are unable to accept card payments at this** current time. Link to the donation page on our website:** http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donate Thanking you,** Executive Committee,** Wikimedia India. *Reasoning* (From our public statement on 4 January, 2013) A lot of people may ask why the chapter needs a fundraiser when it has** access to WMF funding. The answer is, we are still ineligible for FDC of** WMF (we hope to be eligible for the second round of
