Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] [X-POST] Universal Language Selector(ULS) Deployment - Phase 1
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Peter Coombe thewub.w...@googlemail.comwrote: What is the rationale for moving ULS from the personal toolbar to the interlanguage links on some sites? I find this change odd: * makes location and appearance of ULS inconsistent between sites * personal toolbar seems the conventional place for per-account settings and tools * features it is replacing like WebFonts live in the personal toolbar * interlanguage links are something rather different, taking the user to a wholly different site Thanks for asking, Peter. The options we considered are described in detail at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Universal_Language_Selector/Design#Location_for_the_selector . When we tested the top-right position for language settings, it generated confusion for users on wikis with inter-language links. The top-right area was a new language-related area and they expected content language to be changed from there. We were never really satisfied with the UI elements that WebFonts and Narayam added, so those are implemented in Universal Language Selector. In short, depending on the context, language selection may have different purposes: * For contexts where the language of content can be modified, the language list will be shown by default, and the trigger will contain a list of likely languages. * For contexts where the content language cannot be modified, the settings view is provided instead as default. Since inter-language links are not being initially replaced by the language selector for monolingual wikis such as Wikipedia, the Universal Language selector will not be used to change content language. Cheers! Siebrand ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: Language Engineering office hour on 2013-06-12 at 17:00 UTC/10:00 PDT
FYI -- Forwarded message -- From: Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) smazel...@wikimedia.org Date: Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 5:05 PM Subject: Language Engineering office hour on 2013-06-12 at 17:00 UTC/10:00 PDT To: MediaWiki Tech list wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org, Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org, MediaWiki internationalisation mediawiki-i...@lists.wikimedia.org Event Details # Date: 2013-06-12 # Time: 1700-1800 UTC, 1000-1100 PDT #IRC channel: #wikimedia-office on irc.freenode.net The Wikimedia Language Engineering team [1] invites everyone to join the team’s monthly office hour on June 12, 2013 (Wednesday) at 1700 UTC/1000 PDT in #wikimedia-office. During this session we would be talking about some our recent activities and updates from the ongoing projects. The provisional agenda is outlined below. See you all at the IRC office hour! Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Language Engineering Wikimedia Foundation Agenda # Introductions # Universal Language Selector - Phase 1 deployment was on Tuesday 2013-06-11 [2,3,4] # Universal Language Selector - Phase 2 and later # Q/A - We shall be taking questions during the session. Questions can also be sent to siebrand at wikimedia dot org before the event, and will be addressed during the office hour. [1] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Language_Engineering_team [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Universal_Language_Selector [3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Universal_Language_Selector/FAQ [4] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Universal_Language_Selector/Design -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Language Engineering Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
That is enough, I guess. Please take a breath, and rethink why you are on this mailing list of the Wikimedia India Community. If you don't want to be part of the community, please unsubscribe. If your intention is to offend others, please unsubscribe, because you are not being helpful. If your intention is to discuss, and not act, please leave; you are not being helpful. Put your feet where your mouth is so to speak. It saves you and the subscribers a lot of headaches. Cheers! Siebrand ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: Becoming a member is pretty easy. It costs INR 100 to join and requires a single form to be filled and sent across. Actually, it isn't. As Bence is not an Indian citizen over 18 or an Indian institution, he cannot be a member. Cheers! -- Siebrand ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Report on WebFonts deployment available
Dear all, A report on the recent WebFonts deployment to 39 Indic language wikis at Wikimedia is available. Please read it at http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-i18n/2011-December/000359.html. It's rather lengthy; there was a lot to be said. I'm trying to take away the technical discussion from this list, because I think it should really be a global discussion in the right forum. By all means, please continue discussions on one of the following two mailing lists. I'm looking forward to your input. For those interested in MediaWiki development within Wikimedia, please subscribe to wikitech-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l For those interested in (technical) language support development in MediaWiki, please subscribe to mediawiki-i18n: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-i18n Cheers! -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pune hackathon scheduled 10-12 February 2012
Hi Srikanth, On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Forgive me for this silly question, but will there be any session on adapting WebFonts on the mobile site? Why would that be a silly question? We have only just announced the event, as soon as possible, without have a detailed schedule or topic overview. Nothing potentially relevant is off the table beforehand, though, so please stay tuned! In about an hour we have the WMF internal kickoff, and I hope we will be able to communicate some topics before the year ends. No guarantees though, because I'll probably not be the project manager of the hackathon ;). -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Input methods extension Narayam enabled on Wikimedia Commons and more on input methods and web fonts
Dear all, As requested at the Wikimedia Hackathon in Mumbai last weekend by Srikanth, and also in bug 32619[1], *Narayam* was just *enabled* on *Wikimedia Commons *. I hope you find it useful. During the hackathon we had a lot of help in adding more key mappings to Narayam[2], and we are right now at the Red Hat offices in Pune working together with their localisation team for Indic languages to verify and get feedback for more Indic languages. The recent work may be deployed next Monday (28/11), but it could also be delayed a week. The complete Wikimedia Localisation team is travelling home this weekend, and we haven't reviewed all the code yet, hence the possible delay. Another *exciting feature* we are planning on deploying and enabling on many Indic language projects to increase accessibility, and that we would like to have your feedback[3] on is *WebFonts*[4]. Many languages do not have proper fonts easily available to users. This may be because the operating systems do not ship these fonts, the script has fonts but users don't know from where they will get them from or how to install them in their system. Another reason is because the user is reading the wiki from a shared computer without these fonts. Sometimes it may be because the user does not know how to configure the operating system for a language or the user does not have enough permissions to do this. Because of all these reasons, providing the content in certain languages is problematic. WebFonts sends the fonts with the data and therefore we expect that everybody can see the text correctly. You can also read more about it in the sheets of my talk at WikiConference India 2011[5]. Gerard Meijssen will soon post a note in all targeted Wikimedia wikis requesting your feedback. [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32619 [2] http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2011/11/typing-made-easier-for-six-languages.html [3] http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2011/11/webfonts-are-ready-for-your-comments.html [4] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WebFonts [5] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WCI_2011_Language_Support_in_Wikipedia.pdf -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Upload the presentations
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Ramesh N G rames...@gmail.com wrote: those who presented during WCI 2011, please upload their presentations to the below category in commons Done! https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WCI_2011_Language_Support_in_Wikipedia.pdf https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WCI_2011_MediaWiki_Translation_Sprint.pdf -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Translation sprint in Pune on 26 Novermber?
Dear Indian Wikimedians, and those from near Pune in particular, In November the complete localisation team of the Wikimedia Foundation (I, Niklas, Amir, Gerard, Santhosh and Alolita) will be in India for the Wiki Conference India, the Mumbai hackathon and a team meeting. Our schedule allows for an event in Pune on Saturday 26 November 2011, if the Pune community thinks this is a good idea. We would like it to be a localisation sprint, in which we gather as many people as possible from the Wikimedia community, but maybe also from other open source translation communities, to work on the translation of MediaWiki and MediaWiki extensions used by Wikimedia for a few hours, and have some nice chats while doing that. We would of course need a venue with a decent internet connection, enough power, and participants would need to bring equipment that allows for them to work online in translatewiki.net or offline with a gettext editor. Is this something that is doable? -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Translation sprint in Pune on 26 Novermber?
(I tried sending this 8 or so hours ago, but it looks like it didn't get through - apologies if it somehow ends up twice) Dear Indian Wikimedians, and those from near Pune in particular, In November the complete localisation team of the Wikimedia Foundation (I, Niklas, Amir, Gerard, Santhosh and Alolita) will be in India for the Wiki Conference India, the Mumbai hackathon and a team meeting. Our schedule allows for an event in Pune on Saturday 26 November 2011, if the Pune community thinks this is a good idea. We would like it to be a localisation sprint, in which we gather as many people as possible from the Wikimedia community, but maybe also from other open source translation communities, to work on the translation of MediaWiki and MediaWiki extensions used by Wikimedia for a few hours, and have some nice chats while doing that. We would of course need a venue with a decent internet connection, enough power, and participants would need to bring equipment that allows for them to work online in translatewiki.net or offline with a gettext editor. Is this something that is doable? -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Internationalisation bug triage notes
Please find below the notes for the internationalisation triage bug triage held on Wednesday, September 14, 13:00UTC in #wikimedia-dev on Freenode IRC. 9 people participated in the triage. Two of the participants were new to MediaWiki. I'm very happy that the triage attracted new potential MediaWiki developers! The triage was to have have two sections, each taking about 30 minutes. We ended up with a first half of about 55 minutes and a second half Of about 20 minutes. Next week's triage is on WikiBooks http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bug_management/Triage == Message documentation and message related coding == https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16026 -- MediaWiki:Revision-info should accept wikimarkup * Volunteered by Amir. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16111 -- MediaWiki:Cascadeprotected and MediaWiki:Cascadedprotectedwarning should take the same parameters * Volunteered by Amir. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16175 -- Clean up the rendering of messages displayed at the top of the edit window * Volunteered by Amir. May be a difficult one, as these messages are used a lot in Wikimedia projects. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17148 -- The warning about editing a semi-protected page can display an irrelevant edit summary * Volunteered by Brian Wolff https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17865 -- Mismatched input syntax for Cite error messages * Some discussion. Cite is seen as scary! No one to take this yet. Please give this some TLC. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28557 -- Message documentation for Extension:AddMediaWizard needed * Volunteered by Blucal. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25608 -- MediaWiki:Fundraiserstats-tab-ytd should not contain (USD) * Goes to fundraising triage. A concern was voiced that i18n does not appear to get the attention it needs. The Localisation team will get in contact with the fundraising developers when they are in San Francisco in two weeks to discuss.. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29357 -- CategoryTree should have built-in localizable support for pretty Categorytree-member-num * Amir volunteered for this. Brian is prepared to help him out where needed. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29927 -- CentralAuth using wrong Language on Special:MergeAccount 123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012 * Akshayagarwal volunteered for this, and has committed changes in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/97168 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30729 -- Not all numbers are localised in AbuseFilter * srikanthlogic has volunteered for this with Brian Wolff as mentor. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29170 -- [[MediaWiki:Enotif body]] needs GENDER support * Some discussion, but nothing final. == Harder issues and discussion == https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28428 -- Allow saving pages with LRM and RLM in titles, showing a warning and requiring a user right https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28411 -- titles of articles with LTR titles in RTL wikis may be displayed incorrectly in categories and special pages * It looks like a schema change is not needed, and that the page_props table can and should be used. Use batches where needed; integrate that in Linker, LinkBatch and probably Title as well. Ambitious according to Roan. Roan agrees that having displaytitle as a page_ field makes more sense *conceptually*. In practice, he prefers page_props because that avoids a schema change and is still cheap. Niklas indicated the discussion gave him ideas on how to work towards resolving these issues. The other announced issues were not discussed. Thanks to everyone participating. Looking forward to the results! -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Narayam input methods updated
Dear all, The Wikimedia Localisation team and volunteer Junaidp have taken an important hurdle towards better support for Indic languages. After a rocky start with the Narayam[1] extension on the Tamil language Wikipedia, today a new version of Narayam was deployed on several wikis in Indic languages and added to ta.wikisource and ta.wikibooks[2]. It also features a new interface. Please give it a try and provide feedback[3] in feature requests, bug reports. Praise is allowed to go to this list ;). We expect to be adding many more keyboard mappings in the near future. If you are particularly looking forward to one, please do not hesitate to make a request for it or submit a patch you get it even quicker[3]. -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand [1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Narayam [2] mlwikiquote, mlwikibooks, mlwiktionary, mlwikisource, mlwiki, tawikibooks, tawikisource, sawiki, sawikibooks, sawikisource, sawiktionary [3] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=MediaWiki%20extensions(choose component Narayam) ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
