Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Moderation policy on WikimediaIndia-l
Sundar, Having a house of representative system will help managing things better. You are looking a great number of projects and people - if everything goes well - in the general body, and it would be absolutely chaotic when it comes to discussions. 99% you will not see most people for doing something and will have more action thrillers afterwards. It will be as problematic on management of the chapter. Administrative council can act as the advisory board for the EC and they can be the main link between communities for day to day things and will ensure the community participation going forward. This also adds accountability and transparency between chapter and communities. Since wikimedia.in is hosted on some ones private hosting and thoughts are going around about moving to foundation's hosting, I would rather open this in meta. What do you say? Regards, Jyothis. http://www.Jyothis.net http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jyothis http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jyothis I am the first customer of http://www.netdotnet.com woods are lovely dark and deep, but i have promises to keep and miles to go before i sleep and lines to go before I press sleep completion date = (start date + ((estimated effort x 3.1415926) / resources) + ((total coffee breaks x 0.25) / 24)) + Effort in meetings On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:55 AM, BalaSundaraRaman sundarbe...@yahoo.comwrote: Jyotis, (This is my personal view.) I concur with the broad idea behind points 3-7 though specifics need to be worked out to suit the legal entity that the chapter is. In fact, some of these have been addressed in the MoA, I think. However, what is the additional role that you envisage for the administrative council given that a general body of members exists? Also, I suggest that a separate page be opened in wikimedia.in wiki to discuss this. - Sundar Some thoughts around this: 1. Local Representation:All local wikis should elect a respected member of their community for a period of a year (or two) and form an administrative council for the chapter. This could be per language basis or per project basis, based on their community size. I would not exclude English, but would limit the participation to one member in council. for the rest of projects - It could be probably like for every project that has more than 50 (this is just a number, we can look at the real world situations) active people (not including bots) - we can allocate one member per project to the council. other wise, one member per language projects would be enuf. this is just to ensure that we have enuf coverage per project and per language depending on the size of people. 2. Formation of EC: From the administrative council, the EC can be elected in for a term. This election should be by the chapter members / local language wikimedians. 3. Limit on Term in EC: It may also be worth enforcing that no project gets more than one (or at the most 2) consecutive term in EC (if we have enuf representations to fill in all slots). This will ensure that all projects gets it share of EC terms over the years. 4. Communication: A Monthly or quarterly report of the chapter activities should be published by the EC and admin council. Individual representatives are and should be responsible for communication between chapter and projects. Should there be a reason to replace the member by the local community, such a provision should be provided. 5. Removal of member: Inactivity and lose of trust by the general public should be considered as a reason for removal as usual. On the other hand, if the rest of the administrative council members feels against one member, chapter should be able to request for replacement citing proper reasons for it. 6. Funds and Grants: All funds and grants from chapter account probably can be openly discussed and approved on the foundation wiki or meta wiki (like the foundation grant process) 7. Audit and Annual report: End of every financial year, an audit committee for the financial and functional aspects of the chapter's actions should be formed from the administrative council and audit results should be made public along with the annual reports. We can go on like this, but I would leave it open to further discussions. That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted. - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Moderation policy on WikimediaIndia-l
Achal, Good points. Thank you. To have additional mods, it is fairly a simple process to add them in mailman. I would suggest that atleast as a start, we can ask people here to nominate themselves for the positions and we can pick two. Would be great if they are already familiar with the work. *Please note* that it is not a title, but a daily work that comes your way. About the chapter issues, I dont think we need to say more that what Tinu and many others have already mentioned about. While not counting out the efforts that were made by the existing EC on building this out, Transparency is the primary issue that echoes thru. It is probably worth remembering that chapter is just a support system and has no control over the projects or its actions. It is neither an administrative power nor a place for people who just want to have a title on their business card or get their expenses covered. Chapter will be answerable to every single paisa spent to the community and community should stand up and demand for the clarity and visibility on things. If the chapter cannot do it, trust me, it will not last for ever. Probably the interim EC should not have re-elected themselves behind closed doors. Instead, they should have probably opened the memberships and conducted the election for the first official EC. However, my vision about the future of EC is slightly different from what we have now. Unlike many other chapters around the world, Indic chapter have a unique challenge: Many different language Wikimedia projects, ranging from highly active to dead, (and more on the way) rolls up under its umbrella. To deal with this, we can probably take a page out of our democracy itself and consider building a representative assembly style administration system for our future. Some thoughts around this: 1. *Local Representation:*All local wikis should elect a respected member of their community for a period of a year (or two) and form an administrative council for the chapter. This could be per language basis or per project basis, based on their community size. I would not exclude English, but would limit the participation to one member in council. for the rest of projects - It could be probably like for every project that has more than 50 (this is just a number, we can look at the real world situations) active people (not including bots) - we can allocate one member per project to the council. other wise, one member per language projects would be enuf. this is just to ensure that we have enuf coverage per project and per language depending on the size of people. 2. *Formation of EC:* From the administrative council, the EC can be elected in for a term. This election should be by the chapter members / local language wikimedians. 3. *Limit on Term in EC:* It may also be worth enforcing that no project gets more than one (or at the most 2) consecutive term in EC (if we have enuf representations to fill in all slots). This will ensure that all projects gets it share of EC terms over the years. 4. *Communication: *A Monthly or quarterly report of the chapter activities should be published by the EC and admin council. Individual representatives are and should be responsible for communication between chapter and projects. Should there be a reason to replace the member by the local community, such a provision should be provided. 5. *Removal of member: *Inactivity and lose of trust by the general public should be considered as a reason for removal as usual. On the other hand, if the rest of the administrative council members feels against one member, chapter should be able to request for replacement citing proper reasons for it. 6. *Funds and Grants: *All funds and grants from chapter account probably can be openly discussed and approved on the foundation wiki or meta wiki (like the foundation grant process) 7. *Audit and Annual report:* End of every financial year, an audit committee for the financial and functional aspects of the chapter's actions should be formed from the administrative council and audit results should be made public along with the annual reports. We can go on like this, but I would leave it open to further discussions. Thanks. Regards, Jyothis. http://www.Jyothis.net http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jyothis http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jyothis I am the first customer of http://www.netdotnet.com woods are lovely dark and deep, but i have promises to keep and miles to go before i sleep and lines to go before I press sleep completion date = (start date + ((estimated effort x 3.1415926) / resources) + ((total coffee breaks x 0.25) / 24)) + Effort in meetings ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Moderation policy on WikimediaIndia-l
Hari, Couldnt help asking, but could you please point out whom are you referring as trolls here and who attacked you (or any member of EC) personally? As far as I see this, community members raised multiple concerns here and other threads about transparency in EC's actions and we, as community members, would expect the EC to clarify things, rather than coming around and calling them trolls and marking it as personal attacks. Such a line of defense is not expected from a person sitting in the secretary post of the current EC. Just to add, you very well know that the concerns that we see here is not something new and has that has been around the time the formation plans were announced. I hope you remember the conversation even we had and the discussions that happened right at the out set in mailing lists. Sorry to say this, but I dont think there was any serious efforts came from forming group to reach out to the communities to fixi things up. Atleast not to my knowledge and I may be wrong. No one has said that the list mods has not done there job. If the community feels that the current mods are getting swamped and more mods are needed, I would assume that it is up to them, as it is their list. just my opinion, rest of my fellow community members may disagree and correct me if I am wrong. Regards, Jyothis. http://www.Jyothis.net http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jyothis http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jyothis I am the first customer of http://www.netdotnet.com woods are lovely dark and deep, but i have promises to keep and miles to go before i sleep and lines to go before I press sleep completion date = (start date + ((estimated effort x 3.1415926) / resources) + ((total coffee breaks x 0.25) / 24)) + Effort in meetings On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Hari Prasad Nadig hpna...@gmail.comwrote: Dear Achal, The below email seems to be trying to address too many things. I'll try to answer some of those. I appreciate your continued interest in the Chapter activity, considering that you were the one who started this out by putting together the initial team. It is probably unfair to say that the chapter hasn't communicated much on time in just the last one month right after it has got registered legally, when the information that flowed right from the time the EC was formed (by you) haven't gone out appropriately and on time. This has been more or less the case for almost two years from there. The leadership has changed in last month. Is that why only the last month's updates are being targeted? And the attack on EC has been either overreactions, emails from trolls and personal attacks. Like many observed on the list, it has been everything else but civil. I personally feel that some etiquette has to be maintained on this list. Be it when you're sending the entire mail digests copied while responding back, or when people are sending bulky attachments or bulky HTML email (and when that gets filtered out by the spam filter and put into moderation - blame the mods who've been looking after this list for like 6 years now!) This also applies to those who've been writing making personal attacks on a public mailing list. I do not see why we should be pushing for more admins on this mailing list when the present admins are active and have maintained this list for all these years. However, since both of the mods who've been helping out as community members here have now ended up in the Executive Committee, I feel that we should probably add two more people. Like Delphine said, moderating lists is more of janitor work. We'd be more happy if people (who aren't trolls) volunteer for this. I'd personally prefer someone outside the Indian Wikimedia community or the Chapter to also be on the moderator list among the two we add. That would probably help where otherwise people have been just jumping into presumptions about moderation when just the Indians are involved. From my own experience, the spam filter's doings have been attributed to us many a times and distrust has prevailed since then. We *do not* selectively moderate emails on this open list. It is deeply saddening when you read the kind of emails coming in during last couple of weeks, and seeing the appalling interest of few in continuing it rather than putting up a note pointing out to the etiquette. - HPN ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India chapter
What is the problem in file uploads? Not enabled in LocalSettings.php again? Who ever managing this MW installation might want to spend some time reading the Manual for MW. Here is how you enablehttp://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads File uploads. At the minimum, please read thru the LocalSettings.php to see what useful items can be enabled / ask others in mailing lists / IRC / use googlehttp://www.google.com/search?aq=fsourceid=chromeie=UTF-8q=mediawiki+enable+file+upload . *## To enable image uploads, make sure the 'images' directory* *## is writable, then set this to true:* *$wgEnableUploads = true;* Regards, Jyothis. http://www.Jyothis.net http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jyothis http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jyothis I am the first customer of http://www.netdotnet.com woods are lovely dark and deep, but i have promises to keep and miles to go before i sleep and lines to go before I press sleep completion date = (start date + ((estimated effort x 3.1415926) / resources) + ((total coffee breaks x 0.25) / 24)) + Effort in meetings On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 5:43 AM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.comwrote: Enabling the use of images on Commons is just a small configuration away. I am sure and know that there are competent people who can help you with that. Enabling Commons images for a MediaWiki installation is very simple. I thought many in the list know about this. Malayalam wikimedians have implemented this feature in their community website ( http://mlwiki.in/wiki/) sometime back. To enable commons in our private wiki, just add the below code in the * LocalSettings.php* file *$wgUseInstantCommons = true; * This feature is called *InstantCommons*, and many of us are using it. See more details at - http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Reusing_content_outside_Wikimedia#InstantCommons - http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/InstantCommons On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, Enabling the use of images on Commons is just a small configuration away. I am sure and know that there are competent people who can help you with that. Thanks, GerardM On 1 February 2011 07:59, BalaSundaraRaman sundarbe...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you, Sue. Once the technical issue of file upload (pointed out by Tinu) is resolved by moving to Wikimedia servers, we'll certainly add mugshots of the EC members. - Sundar That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted. - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture - Original Message From: Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org To: Discussion list on Indian language projects of Wikimedia. wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tue, February 1, 2011 5:44:17 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India chapter On 30 January 2011 03:04, BalaSundaraRaman sundarbe...@yahoo.com wrote: Following is a list of activities (compiled by ArunRam for an internal discussion) of the chapter prior to registration (which itself turned out to be a huge exercise): Hi Sundar, Thanks so much for sending that list, and thanks to ArunRam for creating it -- I found it really useful. I don't spend a lot of time on this mailing list, or on the Indian chapter wiki, and it helped me feel caught up :-) Here's a small suggestion, which you should ignore if you like. Personally, I'd love if the chapter would post photos of its Executive Committee members on the site here: http://wikimedia.in/wiki/Executive_Committee_Members. I think I've probably met half of the Executive Committee members over the years, but it'd be easier for me to mentally keep faces attached to names if there were images on the wiki. Feel free to ignore that, if it'd be a hassle. Thanks, Sue -- Sue Gardner Executive Director Wikimedia Foundation 415 839 6885 office 415 816 9967 cell Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India chapter
Tinu, That would work, but depends upon how you wish to move (completely managed Vs just availing space and bandwidth, but server managed by chapter) to the foundation servers. if chapter staff is going manage the installation (and not foundation), someone still needs to set it up correctly. Regards, Jyothis. http://www.Jyothis.net http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jyothis http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jyothis I am the first customer of http://www.netdotnet.com woods are lovely dark and deep, but i have promises to keep and miles to go before i sleep and lines to go before I press sleep completion date = (start date + ((estimated effort x 3.1415926) / resources) + ((total coffee breaks x 0.25) / 24)) + Effort in meetings On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 11:00 AM, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Jyothis, AFAIK, this MW is privately hosted by a chapter exec com member on his personal webhosting, as of now. Enabling file uploading is costlier, hence probably. My suggestion is to move it to the Wikimedia servers ( like some other chapters), so that we needn't worry of server space, bandwidth security ( at least until the chapter is rich enough to do so) ... Regards Tinu Cherian On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Jyothis Edathoot j...@jyothis.net wrote: What is the problem in file uploads? Not enabled in LocalSettings.php again? Who ever managing this MW installation might want to spend some time reading the Manual for MW. Here is how you enablehttp://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads File uploads. At the minimum, please read thru the LocalSettings.php to see what useful items can be enabled / ask others in mailing lists / IRC / use googlehttp://www.google.com/search?aq=fsourceid=chromeie=UTF-8q=mediawiki+enable+file+upload . *## To enable image uploads, make sure the 'images' directory* *## is writable, then set this to true:* *$wgEnableUploads = true;* Regards, Jyothis. http://www.Jyothis.net http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jyothis http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jyothis I am the first customer of http://www.netdotnet.com woods are lovely dark and deep, but i have promises to keep and miles to go before i sleep and lines to go before I press sleep completion date = (start date + ((estimated effort x 3.1415926) / resources) + ((total coffee breaks x 0.25) / 24)) + Effort in meetings On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 5:43 AM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.comwrote: Enabling the use of images on Commons is just a small configuration away. I am sure and know that there are competent people who can help you with that. Enabling Commons images for a MediaWiki installation is very simple. I thought many in the list know about this. Malayalam wikimedians have implemented this feature in their community website ( http://mlwiki.in/wiki/) sometime back. To enable commons in our private wiki, just add the below code in the * LocalSettings.php* file *$wgUseInstantCommons = true; * This feature is called *InstantCommons*, and many of us are using it. See more details at - http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Reusing_content_outside_Wikimedia#InstantCommons - http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/InstantCommons On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, Enabling the use of images on Commons is just a small configuration away. I am sure and know that there are competent people who can help you with that. Thanks, GerardM On 1 February 2011 07:59, BalaSundaraRaman sundarbe...@yahoo.comwrote: Thank you, Sue. Once the technical issue of file upload (pointed out by Tinu) is resolved by moving to Wikimedia servers, we'll certainly add mugshots of the EC members. - Sundar That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted. - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture - Original Message From: Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org To: Discussion list on Indian language projects of Wikimedia. wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tue, February 1, 2011 5:44:17 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India chapter On 30 January 2011 03:04, BalaSundaraRaman sundarbe...@yahoo.com wrote: Following is a list of activities (compiled by ArunRam for an internal discussion) of the chapter prior to registration (which itself turned out to be a huge exercise): Hi Sundar, Thanks so much for sending that list, and thanks to ArunRam for creating it -- I found it really useful. I don't spend a lot of time on this mailing list, or on the Indian chapter wiki, and it helped me feel caught up :-) Here's a small suggestion, which you should ignore if you like. Personally, I'd love if the chapter would post photos of its Executive Committee members
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Number of local Wikipedians
looks like that got deleted. Regards, Jyothis. http://www.Jyothis.net http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jyothis I am the first customer of http://www.netdotnet.com woods are lovely dark and deep, but i have promises to keep and miles to go before i sleep and lines to go before I press sleep completion date = (start date + ((estimated effort x 3.1415926) / resources) + ((total coffee breaks x 0.25) / 24)) + Effort in meetings On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.comwrote: Added the template in Tamil Wiki and created one pretty url for the article malayalam. For example see, http://ta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malayalam Minor tweaking of template is required. We will help to fix it. Shiju On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Shiju. Should see if we can make sense from the malayalam page. Else, an english tutorial will be appreciated :) Interestingly, the contributor profile for Ta Wiki is quite similar to ml wiki http://toolserver.org/~junaid/tools/editcount.php?wproject=wikiwlan=mlshow=usersmax=50offset=0 Ravi On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.comwrote: Pretty URL is cool. Is the script available? http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Prettyurl Please see the source code of that template. On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Shiju, Good to know. I agree that until each wiki should become self-reliant without the need to refer en wiki for everything. Pretty URL is cool. Is the script available? Thanks, Ravi On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.comwrote: Could the count be explained? May be because of good participation in talk pages, collaborative articles, regular copy edits Let me try to answer your query, eventhough we stopped projecting the depth parameter. Now we are concentrating more on parameters like * edits/article*, *bytes per article*, *number of active users*, and so on. - As you have mentioned above, depth shows the overall collaboration. Edits in articles, talkpages, portal pages, templates, images, and so on helped in increasing the article count. - We are away from increasing the article count by creating one-liners. Remove all junk one-liners and big articles with english only content from your wiki. Depth will surely increase. - Also the number edits are directly proportional to the number of active and dedicated users. We have at least *40 users* with number of edita more than 1000. http://toolserver.org/~junaid/tools/editcount.php?wproject=wikiwlan=mlshow=usersmax=50offset=0Atleast 10 of them have number of edits more than 10,000. All these have contributed depth of the wiki. We are not allowing anyone to create one-liners just for the sake of increasing the article count. At least fundmental information is required in each and every article that is created in Malayalam Wikipedia. Because of that *our readers will not run to English wikipedia* to get the fundamental information about a topic. We are trying to attract readers to wiki. The CD project/book project/wikiacademies/wiki meetups are all part of the public outreach programs. We have many users *who only reads ml wikipedia*. *After all if no one reads what we write, all our efforts are in vain.* We give top priority to the usability part of the wiki. Because of that, you can see many things in Malayalam Wikipedia *that are not available in any other language wikipedia*. An example is *pretty url *itself. We are trying to reach the other language wikipedians to get to know about their best practices. We feel no shy in copying their best practices. There are more things. I will write about that some time later. As in Tamil Wikipedia, *we also have problem in getting local Wikipedians to edit the wiki*. I will write about that later. Shiju On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.comwrote: Ramesh, That's quite a good number. The arrangements for the meetup were also quite elaborate. well done. I am also curious about the depth of Malayalam Wiki. Could the count be explained? May be because of good participation in talk pages, collaborative articles, regular copy edits?? Thanks, Ravi On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Ramesh N G rames...@gmail.comwrote: Ravi An apprx figures # The total attendance was nearly 80 in the ml wiki meetup which includes newcomers around 60% # Morning Session was scheduled for regular wikipedians, where the attendance was around 20 to 30 regular ml wikians regards Rameshng On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, The number of registrants found at http://bit.ly/c9voKu is interesting. Would like to know what percentage of them are regular contributors in ml.wiki projects. One
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wiki2CD software
Feel free, as long as the Iso file contents are not altered. Http://www.Mlwiki.in also links to some useful Malayalam computing resources and will act as the home of the malayalam wiki cd project and iso download link is available in the site as well. Thanks. Regards, Jyothis. Sent from my iPhone Http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jyothis On Apr 17, 2010, at 7:59 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote: Shiju, This is great news. Just a note, that I'd like to distribute the file through P2P networks and Torrents. :D Cheers. Regards, Srikanth On 17 April 2010 16:47, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Wikimedians As mentioned in my previous mail, here are the details of the new software that we have developed for creating the Malayalam Wikipedia on CD. Here is a small contribution from Malayalam Wiki community to the Wikimedians of all language. Even though we have developed this software for creating the Malayalam Wikipedia CD now you can use use it to create CD of any language Wiki. There is huge effort that went behind the creation of this software and the CD. I will blog about that once I am back in Bangalore. Here are the details of the software: Name of the Software: Wiki2CD Developed by : Santhosh Thottingal Software source: http://github.com/santhoshtr/wiki2cd Documentation: http://wiki.github.com/santhoshtr/wiki2cd/ Blog link about this software:http://thottingal.in/blog/2010/04/17/ mlwikioncd/ This ia a small step forward. We know that if community effort is involved this can be developed into a feature rich software with multiple features. Here is the link to Download the Malayalam Wikipedia CD: http://www.mlwiki.in/mlwikicd/img/MLWikipediaCD-2010.iso The online link of Malayalam Wikipedia CD: http://mlwiki.in/mlwikicd/ My special thanks to Santhosh Tottingal and all the Malayalam language Wikipedians. More details about this efforts at a later time. Regards Shiju Alex ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Arun Srikanth. Wear a Lungi, Support the Movement, Uyirin Uyirae Sent from my Motorola SLVR L9. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Global Sysops
It is mentioned in the links above. located herehttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_sysops/wiki_set Regards, Jyothis. http://www.Jyothis.net http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jyothis woods are lovely dark and deep, but i have promises to keep and miles to go before i sleep and lines to go before I press sleep completion date = (start date + ((estimated effort x 3.1415926) / resources) + ((total coffee breaks x 0.25) / 24)) + Effort in meetings On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 2:07 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote: Any Indian language wiki which falls under the above two categories? On 28 March 2010 06:36, Jyothis E jyothi...@gmail.com wrote: All, As you may have seen, the global sysophttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_sysops are active. They will do sysop's job in those places where there are not enuf admins. Since Global sysops cover a lot of Indian wikimedia projects, I thought it is worth mentioning here in the list. Current elected GSs are those who had been doing counter vandalism and Small wiki monitoring for quite a while. ( I am not sure how many are aware of the great job of the SWMT http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/SWMT and such CVN groups. they are the silent guards, imho). Most of them can be found in various irc channels and can be contacted in case of emergency - say some one is causing trouble and you dont have a sysop around - on their meta talk pages or IRC. Please see some details that we should know: *From Meta page:* *Global **sysops* http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sysop are highly trusted users with a strong track record of cross-wiki contributions that have sysop privileges on many small wikishttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_sysops/wiki_set, for the purposes of antivandalism and routine maintainance. They are not users with sysop tools on all wikis and they have *no* extra editorial control over content or the local community. Scope By default, global sysop would be *enabled* for every project that meets one of the following criteria: - fewer than *ten* administrators exist; or - fewer than *three* administrators have made a logged action within the past two months. Projects may opt-in or opt-out at their own discretion if they obtain local consensus. Simply inform any steward of the community's decision. A wiki sethttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward_handbook#Managing_sets_of_wikis_.28for_global_groups.29, located here http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_sysops/wiki_set is used to give rights on the included wikis only. See the current list of Global sysops herehttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:GlobalUsers/Global_sysops. Questions and comments are welcome. Regards, Jyothis. http://www.Jyothis.net http://www.jyothis.net/ http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jyothis woods are lovely dark and deep, but i have promises to keep and miles to go before i sleep and lines to go before I press sleep completion date = (start date + ((estimated effort x 3.1415926) / resources) + ((total coffee breaks x 0.25) / 24)) + Effort in meetings ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Your friend in time, Cherian/Srikanth/R/ Wikipedia on YOUR MIND? Join us on Twitter ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Update on Mobile MediaWiki
Srikanth, It may not be blindness, but the cost in migrating to fully support unicode. Regards, Jyothis. http://www.Jyothis.net http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jyothis woods are lovely dark and deep, but i have promises to keep and miles to go before i sleep and lines to go before I press sleep completion date = (start date + ((estimated effort x 3.1415926) / resources) + ((total coffee breaks x 0.25) / 24)) + Effort in meetings On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:48 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote: So we need to get behind RIM to support Indic I guess ..Seing that India is one of their largest markets, thios should be obvious and common sense, but they're probably blind.. On 25 February 2010 08:29, arjuna rao chavala arjunar...@googlemail.comwrote: Couple of points I read somewhere on the net are Blackberry 9000 series is unicode compatible. Android was tweaked to display Thai. Nokia's s60 platform/ sdk is supporting indic languages.. Regards Arjun On 2/24/10, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote: Also, some Samsung phones [my mums Beat] displays Hindi text, but in a manner which I guess we can call 'broken' output.. The letters get spaced out and matras don't appear or appear as separate entities. Most Motorola phones support Devnagari, but in Samsung, Motorola and BlackBerrys non-devnagari indic support is VERY POOR. BlackBerry 8700 series are one step ahead n don't display indic text AT ALL. Just boxes... On 24 February 2010 20:34, Hari Prasad Nadig hpna...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:23 PM, arjuna rao chavala arjunar...@googlemail.com wrote: As Nokia uses QT, there may not many issues. Also andriid based phones also should not be a big problem. This is all based on my general understanding of the mobile technologies. It is the closed source vendors who have to be coaxed to make indic languages rendering work properly. Android does not support Indic fully yet. Locales are missing. No fonts, input either. The text shows up as boxes. A custom ROM is a big problem for normal user. -- Hari Prasad Nadig http://hpnadig.net | http://twitter.com/hpnadig http://flickr.com/hpnadig ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Your friend in time, Cherian/Srikanth/R/ Wikipedia on YOUR MIND? Join us on Twitter -- Sent from my mobile device ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Your friend in time, Cherian/Srikanth/R/ Wikipedia on YOUR MIND? Join us on Twitter ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Update on Mobile MediaWiki
It is from my iphone and the problems with rendering needs to be fixed by Apple. Gerard, I will send it to you on a seperate email. Regards, Jyothis. http://www.Jyothis.net http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jyothis woods are lovely dark and deep, but i have promises to keep and miles to go before i sleep and lines to go before I press sleep completion date = (start date + ((estimated effort x 3.1415926) / resources) + ((total coffee breaks x 0.25) / 24)) + Effort in meetings On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.comwrote: Hoi, Can I have this screen shot and, can I have confirmation that it is from an i-phone ? I would also love to see this from an android. The big thing about change is that it is you that can make this happen. grin I started blogging about mobile MediaWiki support and now we have 39 languages fully supported at last count up from 24.I am still awaiting for a Hindi, a Tamil, a Nepali ... complete localisation. I am happy with Malayalam and Bengali :) Thanks, GerardM On 23 February 2010 08:12, Praveen Prakash me.prav...@gmail.com wrote: Gerard Meijssen wrote: -- http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Support_Wikipedia/en Hoi, One way of approaching this is by asking our corporate (ie MediaWiki) sponsors and ask them this question. When they indicate that specific models do not work for specific languages, we can find people who can help with the creation of additional characters for fonts. (I know just the man). I just saw a 'screenshot of mobile Malayalam Wikipedia article' sent by Jyothis (from his iphone (?)). Malayalam font rendering support need complete reconstruction. All indic scripts are very similar, so same will be the case in other languages (may be, If they were not fixed yet). Few years before all 'computer operating systems' suffered the same problems ;-)[1http://rahulpmb.blogspot.com/2008/06/kaarkkodakan-fix-for-pango.html][2], so lets hope that will get fixed soon. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Update on Mobile MediaWiki
:) in a sense, yes. But as you know, It is not always feasible with large corporates and projects. This is not reaaly to put them at fault, but They have long term plans for each of their releases, which prevents them from running up to the speed of Unicode standards and renderings Regards, Jyothis. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2010, at 3:17 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote: So we need to catch the guys developin the software and bug them for this? On 24 February 2010 01:39, Jyothis Edathoot jyothi...@gmail.com wrote: Srikanth, Unicode is a standard. Rendering is the responsibility of the software. If the software follows the standard and renders it correctly, things will look right. Otherwise, otherwise. Usually, large font makers and corporates like microsoft and apple are not exactly up to date in standards. Hence, we end up with rendering issues. Regards, Jyothis. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2010, at 3:00 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote: Won't using a Unicode font fix rendering issues? On 23 February 2010 21:26, Praveen Prakash me.prav...@gmail.com wrote: Srikanth Ramakrishnan wrote: But won't using Unicode fix it?? I didnt get that On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, Can I have this screen shot and, can I have confirmation that it is from an i-phone ? I would also love to see this from an android. One Android screenshot available here. That also shows same problems in i-phone. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Your friend in time, Cherian/Srikanth/R/ Wikipedia on YOUR MIND? Join us on Twitter ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Your friend in time, Cherian/Srikanth/R/ Wikipedia on YOUR MIND? Join us on Twitter ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Official Spokespersons for each Indian Language Wiki community
I think a sub page of metawiki page for the wikimedia India could be a better page to discuss multi-wiki things than having it in many places. Individual wikis may hold the vote for their spokes person/rep and report it back in Meta pages. Regards, Jyothis. http://www.Jyothis.net http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jyothis woods are lovely dark and deep, but i have promises to keep and miles to go before i sleep and lines to go before I press sleep completion date = (start date + ((estimated effort x 3.1415926) / resources) + ((total coffee breaks x 0.25) / 24)) + Effort in meetings On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 1:33 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote: And the press is sensationalist enough to accept any crap... I mean, they've interviewed us, spoken to us, covered our meetups so many times, why THE HELL can't they understand we're all EQUAL?? And if there really was any head, why the hell don't we do chamchagiri with him? I guess this can be discussed at the Malayalam Wikipedia and at Bangalore on 14th before we hold a vote online eh? On 22 February 2010 10:20, YellowMonkey blnguyen2...@gmail.com wrote: And this conman who should be avoided, his name is .. On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Ravi for bringing up this topic. I sent a similar mail regarding this some time back. Now a days many so called wikipedians are popping up here and there claiming themselves as the spokesperson of different Indian language wikis. The irony is that none of the Wiki language communities are aware about these types of developments. And some of these spokespersons doesn't even have an account in the respective language wiki. I know that Wiki editing and Wiki advocacy are two different topics. But we, contributors to different language wikipedias, doesn't want some one outside the Language community taking the responsibility of spokesperson with out our knowledge. It is a good idea to appoint a team of active wikians for each language as the official Spokespersons/contact persons. Let each Wiki language community decide how it should be represented outside. Shiju On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 2:25 AM, Ravi shankar ravidreams...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Recently we came to know that a fraud guy has been claiming himself to be the head of Tamil Wiki and a director for yet-to-be-formed Indian Wikimedia chapter. He has been doing this at many places including Govt circles. This was a shock for us. I would like to warn a similar possibility for all other Indian Wikis. I recommend that each Wiki start a mechanism to officially elect few official Spokespersons / contact persons and spread the word about this selection. The appointment can be cycled every few months to share responsibility with more members. These need not be just the sysops / bureaucrats. They can be anyone trust worthy, long serving the community, having fair idea of Wiki organization and easy to cooperate and communicate with. Ravi. http://ravidreams.com/ ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Your friend in time, Cherian/Srikanth/R/ Wikipedia on YOUR MIND? Join us on Twitter ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] wikipedia.org.in
Guys, I believe that the name wikipedia is owned by foundation. If that is the case, Foundation can officially request the InRegistrar to revoke the domain from him. Casey, Please correct me if I am wrong. Regards, Jyothis. http://www.Jyothis.net http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jyothis woods are lovely dark and deep, but i have promises to keep and miles to go before i sleep and lines to go before I press sleep completion date = (start date + ((estimated effort x 3.1415926) / resources) + ((total coffee breaks x 0.25) / 24)) + Effort in meetings On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:29 PM, arunra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Francis, Please inform him that it is not a fair request. His holding the domain name of a registered global entity is tantmount to cyber squatting. Let us see how he reacts then. We could possibly take legal help from the foundation towards addressing this. CIS team may also be able to advise us here. Regards Arun Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel -Original Message- From: Naveen Francis navee...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:55:07 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] wikipedia.org.in ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
