Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] National Museum, New Delhi
Hey, I might be able to help you out identifying the work. What info do you need on these? On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Do we have an official contact with the National Museum, New Delhi? There are interesting documents there which could add valuable information to Wikipedia and Commons, but they are copyrighted. Could we get a permission? In addition, I need some help for identifying some images: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:King_and_his_army,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rama_and_the_monkey_army,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Krishna_and_gopis,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Embroidery,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sculpture,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pottery,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg Thanks, Yann ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Noopur Raval Student Arts and Aesthetics Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi Ph: 9650567690 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] National Museum, New Delhi
Yann, these images should be licensed as being in public domain as of now. How come you have claimed copyright? Warm regards, User:AshLin -- On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Do we have an official contact with the National Museum, New Delhi? There are interesting documents there which could add valuable information to Wikipedia and Commons, but they are copyrighted. Could we get a permission? In addition, I need some help for identifying some images: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:King_and_his_army,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rama_and_the_monkey_army,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Krishna_and_gopis,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Embroidery,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sculpture,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pottery,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg Thanks, Yann ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] National Museum, New Delhi
On 29 June 2011 15:00, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Yann, these images should be licensed as being in public domain as of now. How come you have claimed copyright? Because he took them? Thank you. Best, Gautam http://social.prathambooks.org/ ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] National Museum, New Delhi
We have many people who scan images from books, etc. In those cases we give copyright as applicable, as public domain if they are old. Is the case different in case we take photos from art? Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote: On 29 June 2011 15:00, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Yann, these images should be licensed as being in public domain as of now. How come you have claimed copyright? Because he took them? Thank you. Best, Gautam http://social.prathambooks.org/ ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] National Museum, New Delhi
On 29 June 2011 15:15, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: We have many people who scan images from books, etc. In those cases we give copyright as applicable, as public domain if they are old. Is the case different in case we take photos from art? Very much! A picture of the Mona Lisa is copyrightable. Even if the painting of the Mona Lisa is out of copyright. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] National Museum, New Delhi
HmmI guess the choice is personal here - copyrightable captures that well. And if a copyright is chosen, perhaps sweat of the brow reasoning applies? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweat_of_the_brow). anyways, the license chosen in this case is not restrictive. On 29-Jun-2011, at 11:46 AM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote: On 29 June 2011 15:15, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: We have many people who scan images from books, etc. In those cases we give copyright as applicable, as public domain if they are old. Is the case different in case we take photos from art? Very much! A picture of the Mona Lisa is copyrightable. Even if the painting of the Mona Lisa is out of copyright. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] National Museum, New Delhi
Hello, 2011/6/29 Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com: Yann, these images should be licensed as being in public domain as of now. How come you have claimed copyright? The policy is that photos of 3D work of art are copyritable. I changed the license for 2D work of art. Warm regards, User:AshLin Best regards, Yann ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] National Museum, New Delhi
Hello, 2011/6/29 Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com: Hey, I might be able to help you out identifying the work. What info do you need on these? More complete description, date, etc. Thanks for your help, Yann On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Do we have an official contact with the National Museum, New Delhi? There are interesting documents there which could add valuable information to Wikipedia and Commons, but they are copyrighted. Could we get a permission? In addition, I need some help for identifying some images: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:King_and_his_army,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rama_and_the_monkey_army,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Krishna_and_gopis,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Embroidery,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sculpture,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pottery,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg Thanks, Yann -- Noopur Raval Student Arts and Aesthetics Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi Ph: 9650567690 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] National Museum, New Delhi
Noopur, please clarify about the difference between a camera photograph and a scanned photograph. I am not clear how a photograph automatically gains the status of a work of art, unless this is a legal definition and is not meant to be analysed from an 'artistic' point of view. On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, 2011/6/29 Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com: Hey, I might be able to help you out identifying the work. What info do you need on these? More complete description, date, etc. Thanks for your help, Yann On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Do we have an official contact with the National Museum, New Delhi? There are interesting documents there which could add valuable information to Wikipedia and Commons, but they are copyrighted. Could we get a permission? In addition, I need some help for identifying some images: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:King_and_his_army,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rama_and_the_monkey_army,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Krishna_and_gopis,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Embroidery,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sculpture,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pottery,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg Thanks, Yann -- Noopur Raval Student Arts and Aesthetics Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi Ph: 9650567690 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Vickram Fool On The Hill http://communicall.wordpress.com ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] National Museum, New Delhi
Hello, 2011/6/29 Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com: Hey, I might be able to help you out identifying the work. What info do you need on these? Here is an example with complete information: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Vishnu_holding_lotus_flowers,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg Regards, Yann On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Do we have an official contact with the National Museum, New Delhi? There are interesting documents there which could add valuable information to Wikipedia and Commons, but they are copyrighted. Could we get a permission? In addition, I need some help for identifying some images: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:King_and_his_army,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rama_and_the_monkey_army,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Krishna_and_gopis,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Embroidery,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sculpture,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pottery,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg Thanks, Yann ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] National Museum, New Delhi
On Wednesday 29 June 2011 03:16 PM, Gautam John wrote: Very much! A picture of the Mona Lisa is copyrightable. Even if the painting of the Mona Lisa is out of copyright. I normally would hold that this is so, and have done so for years. However, given the recent interpretations by the Delhi High Court of the Supreme Court decision in EBC v. Modak, I'm not so sure any more. I think it is now arguable that a plain photograph that is meant to merely be a representation of the underlying painting is not original, lacking skill and judgment (or modicum of creativity, based on which test you believe EBC v. Modak lays down as the test for 'originality').[1] I doubt any court would grant a scanner copyright over unedited scans. Regards, Pranesh [1]: While it is not arguable whether EBC v. Modak (INSC) lays down exercise of skill and judgment as the test for originality or modicum of creativity, it is very clear that it squarely rejects the older sweat of the brow test. -- Pranesh Prakash Programme Manager Centre for Internet and Society W: http://cis-india.org | T: +91 80 40926283 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] National Museum, New Delhi
On Wednesday 29 June 2011 03:20 PM, Vickram Crishna wrote: It's an interesting point. A photograph of a piece of art or heritage cannot logically* claim copyright, but what about a picture of a friend standing in front of said piece of art/heritage? That is, undoubtedly, copyrightable (and hence, copyrighted as per our law). -- Pranesh Prakash Programme Manager Centre for Internet and Society W: http://cis-india.org | T: +91 80 40926283 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] National Museum, New Delhi
On 29 June 2011 17:49, Pranesh Prakash pran...@cis-india.org wrote: Very much! A picture of the Mona Lisa is copyrightable. Even if the painting of the Mona Lisa is out of copyright. I normally would hold that this is so, and have done so for years. However, given the recent interpretations by the Delhi High Court of the Supreme Court decision in EBC v. Modak, I'm not so sure any more. I stand corrected. Thanks Pranesh. So the answer is now It depends? :D I doubt any court would grant a scanner copyright over unedited scans. Agreed. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
