Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Results of WMF Elections 2015

[Karthik Nadar]

Just an add to Ashwin; not only English Wikipedia; any Indian language
Wikipedia or it sister projects IMO. I totally agree with Srikanth and Ravi
as well. Two years of hard both domestically and internationally work might
help.

On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 7:16 AM, Tito Dutta  wrote:

>
> On 13 June 2015 at 06:47, Ashwin Baindur  wrote:
>
>> I'm not
>> going to vote for anyone just because he is Indian
>>
>
>
> ​That makes sense perfectly.
> However we should also work to organize people (1.2 billions' country,
> million articles), and we face difficulties to get people.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Results of WMF Elections 2015

[Tito Dutta]

On 13 June 2015 at 06:47, Ashwin Baindur  wrote:

> I'm not
> going to vote for anyone just because he is Indian
>


​That makes sense perfectly.
However we should also work to organize people (1.2 billions' country,
million articles), and we face difficulties to get people.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Results of WMF Elections 2015

[Ashwin Baindur]

That would imply taking more responsibility in community and
international events both online & offline to develop the "biodata"
and become reasonably well known. On the other hand, English Wikipedia
initiatives finds lack of volunteers.

If anyone wants my vote, I'd like to see some online action. I'm not
going to vote for anyone just because he is Indian.

On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 1:19 AM, Tito Dutta  wrote:
> +1 Ravi
>
> On 9 June 2015 at 19:03, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
> wrote:
>>
>> Totally agree with Ravi.
>> We should groom more stewards and GAC/FDC members. That will help prepare
>> a potential candidate (for board elections) for greater roles within the
>> movement. It also will help build credibility.
>> All the best for those who plan to stand in 2017. You're acid test starts
>> now itself.
>>
>> On 09-Jun-2015 2:55 pm, "Ravishankar"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> //Having least number of eligible voter among the community was a major
>>> challenge to the Indic candidates. Mean time in future indic community
>>> support is mostly important.//
>>>
>>> We are missing the larger perspective here.
>>>
>>> All three winning candidates and others who lost closely did not get
>>> those votes because they came from some specific global region or promised
>>> to do something if elected.
>>>
>>> They got those votes for what they have already accomplished in the
>>> Wikimedia movement.
>>>
>>> Even if there are more eligible voters from India, one cannot assume they
>>> will all vote for candidates from India because ultimately Wikimedia
>>> ecosystem values meritocracy. All candidates from India have got more votes
>>> than the number of eligible voters from India. So, it shows that the world
>>> is willing to vote for us if we project the right candidates.
>>>
>>> For any candidate, if this is the first time the world is hearing about
>>> her or him with no proven track record in the movement, the chances of
>>> getting selected is zero.
>>>
>>> Diversity based on gender, region is good but that cannot occur over
>>> night.
>>>
>>> Only 2 out of 36 stewards are from India. Why don't we groom more
>>> stewards?
>>>
>>> Why don't we get engaged in various organizational activities like GAC,
>>> IEG, Wikimania scholarship committee, AffCom, FDC? Even having experience in
>>> the local chapter is valued.
>>>
>>> Why don't we try to get consistent visibility by attending and adding
>>> value to various movement related events like Wikimania, Wikimedia
>>> Conference, GLAM conference and Wikimedia Hackathon?
>>>
>>> Why don't we expand our contributions beyond our own language communities
>>> and get involved in more national and international activities? One could
>>> even simply start by organizing Wiki Loves Earth like contests in India.
>>>
>>> We already do have many such contributors and should encourage to contest
>>> next time.
>>>
>>> We need to bring more eminent contributors from FOSS movements to
>>> Wikimedia and Wikimedians should expand their contributions in other like
>>> minded initiatives.
>>>
>>> If someone hopes to get selected for 2017 elections, they better start
>>> working now at least.
>>>
>>> All the best :)
>>>
>>> Ravi
>>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Results of WMF Elections 2015

[Tito Dutta]

+1 Ravi

On 9 June 2015 at 19:03, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
wrote:

> Totally agree with Ravi.
> We should groom more stewards and GAC/FDC members. That will help prepare
> a potential candidate (for board elections) for greater roles within the
> movement. It also will help build credibility.
> All the best for those who plan to stand in 2017. You're acid test starts
> now itself.
> On 09-Jun-2015 2:55 pm, "Ravishankar"  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> //Having least number of eligible voter among the community was a major
>> challenge to the Indic candidates. Mean time in future indic community
>> support is mostly important.//
>>
>> We are missing the larger perspective here.
>>
>> All three winning candidates and others who lost closely did not get
>> those votes because they came from some specific global region or promised
>> to do something if elected.
>>
>> They got those votes for what they have *already accomplished* in the
>> Wikimedia movement.
>>
>> Even if there are more eligible voters from India, one cannot assume they
>> will all vote for candidates from India because ultimately Wikimedia
>> ecosystem values meritocracy. All candidates from India have got more votes
>> than the number of eligible voters from India. So, it shows that the world
>> is willing to vote for us if we project the right candidates.
>>
>> For any candidate, if this is the first time the world is hearing about
>> her or him with no proven track record in the movement, the chances of
>> getting selected is zero.
>>
>> Diversity based on gender, region is good but that cannot occur over
>> night.
>>
>> Only 2 out of 36 stewards are from India. Why don't we groom more
>> stewards?
>>
>> Why don't we get engaged in various organizational activities like GAC,
>> IEG, Wikimania scholarship committee, AffCom, FDC? Even having experience
>> in the local chapter is valued.
>>
>> Why don't we try to get consistent visibility by attending and adding
>> value to various movement related events like Wikimania, Wikimedia
>> Conference, GLAM conference and Wikimedia Hackathon?
>>
>> Why don't we expand our contributions beyond our own language communities
>> and get involved in more national and international activities? One could
>> even simply start by organizing Wiki Loves Earth like contests in India.
>>
>> We already do have many such contributors and should encourage to contest
>> next time.
>>
>> We need to bring more eminent contributors from FOSS movements to
>> Wikimedia and Wikimedians should expand their contributions in other like
>> minded initiatives.
>>
>> If someone hopes to get selected for 2017 elections, they better start
>> working now at least.
>>
>> All the best :)
>>
>> Ravi
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Results of WMF Elections 2015

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Totally agree with Ravi.
We should groom more stewards and GAC/FDC members. That will help prepare a
potential candidate (for board elections) for greater roles within the
movement. It also will help build credibility.
All the best for those who plan to stand in 2017. You're acid test starts
now itself.
On 09-Jun-2015 2:55 pm, "Ravishankar"  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> //Having least number of eligible voter among the community was a major
> challenge to the Indic candidates. Mean time in future indic community
> support is mostly important.//
>
> We are missing the larger perspective here.
>
> All three winning candidates and others who lost closely did not get those
> votes because they came from some specific global region or promised to do
> something if elected.
>
> They got those votes for what they have *already accomplished* in the
> Wikimedia movement.
>
> Even if there are more eligible voters from India, one cannot assume they
> will all vote for candidates from India because ultimately Wikimedia
> ecosystem values meritocracy. All candidates from India have got more votes
> than the number of eligible voters from India. So, it shows that the world
> is willing to vote for us if we project the right candidates.
>
> For any candidate, if this is the first time the world is hearing about
> her or him with no proven track record in the movement, the chances of
> getting selected is zero.
>
> Diversity based on gender, region is good but that cannot occur over
> night.
>
> Only 2 out of 36 stewards are from India. Why don't we groom more stewards?
>
> Why don't we get engaged in various organizational activities like GAC,
> IEG, Wikimania scholarship committee, AffCom, FDC? Even having experience
> in the local chapter is valued.
>
> Why don't we try to get consistent visibility by attending and adding
> value to various movement related events like Wikimania, Wikimedia
> Conference, GLAM conference and Wikimedia Hackathon?
>
> Why don't we expand our contributions beyond our own language communities
> and get involved in more national and international activities? One could
> even simply start by organizing Wiki Loves Earth like contests in India.
>
> We already do have many such contributors and should encourage to contest
> next time.
>
> We need to bring more eminent contributors from FOSS movements to
> Wikimedia and Wikimedians should expand their contributions in other like
> minded initiatives.
>
> If someone hopes to get selected for 2017 elections, they better start
> working now at least.
>
> All the best :)
>
> Ravi
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Results of WMF Elections 2015

[Ravishankar]

Hi,

//Having least number of eligible voter among the community was a major
challenge to the Indic candidates. Mean time in future indic community
support is mostly important.//

We are missing the larger perspective here.

All three winning candidates and others who lost closely did not get those
votes because they came from some specific global region or promised to do
something if elected.

They got those votes for what they have *already accomplished* in the
Wikimedia movement.

Even if there are more eligible voters from India, one cannot assume they
will all vote for candidates from India because ultimately Wikimedia
ecosystem values meritocracy. All candidates from India have got more votes
than the number of eligible voters from India. So, it shows that the world
is willing to vote for us if we project the right candidates.

For any candidate, if this is the first time the world is hearing about her
or him with no proven track record in the movement, the chances of getting
selected is zero.

Diversity based on gender, region is good but that cannot occur over night.

Only 2 out of 36 stewards are from India. Why don't we groom more stewards?

Why don't we get engaged in various organizational activities like GAC,
IEG, Wikimania scholarship committee, AffCom, FDC? Even having experience
in the local chapter is valued.

Why don't we try to get consistent visibility by attending and adding value
to various movement related events like Wikimania, Wikimedia Conference,
GLAM conference and Wikimedia Hackathon?

Why don't we expand our contributions beyond our own language communities
and get involved in more national and international activities? One could
even simply start by organizing Wiki Loves Earth like contests in India.

We already do have many such contributors and should encourage to contest
next time.

We need to bring more eminent contributors from FOSS movements to Wikimedia
and Wikimedians should expand their contributions in other like minded
initiatives.

If someone hopes to get selected for 2017 elections, they better start
working now at least.

All the best :)

Ravi
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Results of WMF Elections 2015

[sailesh patnaik]

Hello Everyone,

The results for Wikimedia Board elections are out and unfortunately Indian
candidates were unable to make it out.
I want to thank all the candidates who had  nominated themselves for this
election  to spread the awareness among the community.

I would like to thank all Indic  community members who had submitted their
votes during the election period, and I hope that more community members
will be aware of the WMF activities and participate in maximum numbers.

>From Indic language Wikipedia, Telugu language Wikimedian had voted in
highest numbers,
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_2015/Stats#WMF_Board_of_Trustees_Elections

Having least number of eligible voter among the community was a major
challenge to the Indic candidates. Mean time in future indic community
support is mostly important.





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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Results of WMF Elections 2015

[Ravishankar]

Tito,

Feedback about elections can be posted at

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_2015/Post_mortem

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Results of WMF Elections 2015

[Tito Dutta]

Thanks for sharing the result.
I am not happy with this result for several reasons.
I was expecting one Indian this time -- it is of course a reason of my
unhappiness, but more importantly I think several things are unclear.

*Point 1: So many neutral votes?*
I hope I am not only one who is unhappy with this:
Sailesh Patnaik – User:Saileshpat

1,010  *3,150*1,007  50.07%
Syed Muzammiluddin – User:Hindustanilanguage
  816  *
3,491 * 860   48.69%
Nisar Ahmed Syed – User:అహ్మద్ నిసార్

735  * 3,481  *  951  43.59%

Now for Sailesh 3000 of 5000 voters are neutral (I *know* neutral votes are
*not* counted).
When on the English Wikipedia "Request for adminship" (RFA), one gives a
"neutral" vote", that actually means-- "I am not ready to vote
(support/oppose) now. I am neutral now, watching discussions, his answers,
will change vote if needed. And yes, they often change to "support"/"oppose"
I have *never* seen any En WP RFA with more than 3% or so neutral votes.
66% neutral votes?!

And what does *"neutral" mean here*? I am feeling at this moment-- unlike
RFA and other on-wiki process where every candidate has a separate page,
here on board election I saw all candidates' names were listed on one page,
and the default vote was "neutral".
To assess everyone's answers, stats, it'll take at least 2 hours (or more).
So I feel *many editors* just supported their favorite candidates and just
not making any change anywhere else.

*From another point of view*
Now, let's see it from another point of view, in *small Wikis*, where there
are 50 or 100 active editor, naturally there will not be many votes or more
important 'eligible voters". Suppose 50 voters are voting from Telugu/Urdu
Wikipedia, but 600 or 800 voters are coming from large Wikis like Italian,
French, (umm English).
Chances are many of them came to support their candidates OR supported only
those candidates they know and remained neutral for others.


*IF* there were tendency/mentality (*which should be here*) that "I'll not
spend 2 hours to examine all candidates, but I'll support only those
candidates I know, and remain neutral for others "after all I am not doing
any harm by remaining neutral, let others decide"", --this *is* dangerous.
everytime an editor is thinking "I am not doing any harm by remaining
neutral, let others decide", he is actually giving +1 vote to his candidate
and 0 to others who he has not examined. Small Wikis just can not compete
it.
[If it was 3000 oppose votes, I could understand. Why so many neutral
votes? It is result of either a combination of the weak voting system and
negligence of voters or we have just evidenced a mass-neutrolo-voting. :)


This was the first thing/point I was feeling. There were a few more points,
but the post is already very long. :)

Congrats to all who were elected, specially Doc James :)


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[Wikimediaindia-l] Results of WMF Elections 2015

[Ashwin Baindur]

Link : 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_2015/Results

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