Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Arthapedia - Indian Gov Site on the lines of Wikipedia

[Gautam John]

On 6 September 2011 19:27, Sohel Bohra  wrote:

> The site does mention any license (copyleft/right) at all. They have clear
> contact details of some officers so I am bringing it to their attention.
> Lets see if they respond.

I guess you meant does *not* mention, right? I emailed them too and
will hope they respond!

> I will suggest to them that the Wikimedia community may be able to offer a
> training session in Delhi. Possibility of experts (ala GLAM) editing
> Wikipedia is a good thing.

This makes sense - did you want to email them, Sohel?

Thank you.

Best,

Gautam

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Arthapedia - Indian Gov Site on the lines of Wikipedia

[Sohel Bohra]

My two cents worth

*On Arthapedia
*

   - Attempting to use wikis is a commendable effort on the part of
   government officers. Lack of competence shouldn't be confused for  poor
   intentions.
   - The site does mention any license (copyleft/right) at all. They have
   clear contact details of some officers so I am bringing it to their
   attention. Lets see if they respond.
   - I will suggest to them that the Wikimedia community may be able to
   offer a training session in Delhi. Possibility of experts (ala GLAM) editing
   Wikipedia is a good thing.

*On Wikipedia vs Wiki*


   - Increasingly, and especially in India, all wiki sites will be termed as
   'Wikipedia-like' sites by the media even though they may differ entirely in
   their modus operandi (licensing, content, etc). The community needs to take
   a call whether they want to keep emphasizing on how Wikipedia is different
   or let the lines blur. So for insance, should Kaushik Basu (very notable
   economist and the brain behind the site) of Arthapedia be invited as a
   speaker for WikiConference India (possibly yes if community is ok with the
   lines blurring, possibly no if they want to keep it distinct). My concern
   with the name WikiConference India was on similar lines during the voting
   for the name.
   - Irrespective of the above, the community also should have a point of
   view on whether they should have academies and such for other wiki sites run
   by particular groups (IES economists for instance). Pro - Increases the base
   of wiki editors (and in this case experts). The wiki site in question could
   extensively end up using Wikimedia Commons. Con - Spreading already very
   thin resources of the community.

Best regards,

Sohel.

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On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 22:20, Gautam John 
wrote:

> Not really a Wikipedia model, what?
>
> Crying shame about the license.
>
Only valid concern is about license, but then if its about bridging the
gap
between policymakers and general public, I feel it will be yet another
"tam-tam" site from govt and will have no encyclopedia content. We could
still use the content as RS since it comes from govt.


> Wondering if the Chapter and the Office can do anything?
>
FYI: Arthapedia is available at arthapedia.in


I dont think there is a room for involvement since the goals are not
even
intersecting except that they use Mediawiki. Looking at the site, an
academy
about how to put Wiki texts(syntax), making successful Interlinked
content
can be given a shot, but then it will help only their project and public
over all and may be a fraction of them editing Wikipedia. Currently they
are
just copy pasting documents without interlinking. Some Mediawiki
help(tips/advice) too can be given.

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On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 22:20, Gautam John 
wrote:
>
>> Not really a Wikipedia model, what?
>>
>> Crying shame about the license.
>>
> Only valid concern is about license, but then if its about bridging
the gap
> between policymakers and general public, I feel it will be yet another
> "tam-tam" site from govt and will have no encyclopedia content. We
could
> still use the content as RS since it comes from govt.
>
>
>> Wondering if the Chapter and the Office can do anything?
>>
>
Perhaps the Chapter can offer to conduct training programs for
government
servants in all states (cascading model) to upload and maintain
information
on government procedures and processes. It could be a steady source of
income for the Trust.

What is also needed is information on what we might c

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Arthapedia - Indian Gov Site on the lines of Wikipedia

[Vickram Crishna]

On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 22:20, Gautam John  wrote:
>
>> Not really a Wikipedia model, what?
>>
>> Crying shame about the license.
>>
> Only valid concern is about license, but then if its about bridging the gap
> between policymakers and general public, I feel it will be yet another
> "tam-tam" site from govt and will have no encyclopedia content. We could
> still use the content as RS since it comes from govt.
>
>
>> Wondering if the Chapter and the Office can do anything?
>>
>
Perhaps the Chapter can offer to conduct training programs for government
servants in all states (cascading model) to upload and maintain information
on government procedures and processes. It could be a steady source of
income for the Trust.

What is also needed is information on what we might call 'ground reality'
processes. For instance, when the information asked for in the form etc does
not match the information actually needed by the officer concerned, or at
least claimed to be needed. For obvious reasons, such processes cannot be
authenticated with references to official documents, yet it is precisely
these that are needed by ordinary applicants, who are otherwise driven to
the arms of pimps (ie, consultants). The arthapedia site will also
necessarily fail in this respect, so either wikifyindia or Wikipedia itself
must provide a meaningful solution.


> FYI: Arthapedia is available at arthapedia.in
>
>
> I dont think there is a room for involvement since the goals are not even
> intersecting except that they use Mediawiki. Looking at the site, an academy
> about how to put Wiki texts(syntax), making successful Interlinked content
> can be given a shot, but then it will help only their project and public
> over all and may be a fraction of them editing Wikipedia. Currently they are
> just copy pasting documents without interlinking. Some Mediawiki
> help(tips/advice) too can be given.
>
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> Srikanth.L
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Arthapedia - Indian Gov Site on the lines of Wikipedia

[Srikanth Lakshmanan]

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 22:20, Gautam John  wrote:

> Not really a Wikipedia model, what?
>
> Crying shame about the license.
>
Only valid concern is about license, but then if its about bridging the gap
between policymakers and general public, I feel it will be yet another
"tam-tam" site from govt and will have no encyclopedia content. We could
still use the content as RS since it comes from govt.


> Wondering if the Chapter and the Office can do anything?
>
FYI: Arthapedia is available at arthapedia.in


I dont think there is a room for involvement since the goals are not even
intersecting except that they use Mediawiki. Looking at the site, an academy
about how to put Wiki texts(syntax), making successful Interlinked content
can be given a shot, but then it will help only their project and public
over all and may be a fraction of them editing Wikipedia. Currently they are
just copy pasting documents without interlinking. Some Mediawiki
help(tips/advice) too can be given.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Arthapedia - Indian Gov Site on the lines of Wikipedia

[Anirudh Bhati]

FYI: Arthapedia is available at arthapedia.in

Yours sincerely,

Anirudh Bhati

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Skype: anirudhsbh


On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Gautam John wrote:

> On 3 September 2011 09:32, Vickram Crishna 
> wrote:
>
> > The best response to such an announcement is to redouble efforts to push
> the
> > initiative discussed a long while back, on this list if I am not
> mistaken,
> > to put up wikipages that explain each and every government procedure and
> > rule.
>
> And that is Sohel's initiative!
>
> http://www.wikifyindia.com/
>
> Thank you.
>
> Best,
>
> Gautam
> 
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Arthapedia - Indian Gov Site on the lines of Wikipedia

[Gautam John]

On 3 September 2011 09:32, Vickram Crishna  wrote:

> The best response to such an announcement is to redouble efforts to push the
> initiative discussed a long while back, on this list if I am not mistaken,
> to put up wikipages that explain each and every government procedure and
> rule.

And that is Sohel's initiative!

http://www.wikifyindia.com/

Thank you.

Best,

Gautam

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Arthapedia - Indian Gov Site on the lines of Wikipedia

[Vickram Crishna]

The  bureaucracy is taking a long long time to understand that it serves the
Constitution, and the Constitution serves the people. Sadly, we are blessed
with an administration that thinks it was created to rule. Even when it
reaches out (and we do applaud every effort to reach out), it does so from
the paternalistic heights of power.

The best response to such an announcement is to redouble efforts to push the
initiative discussed a long while back, on this list if I am not mistaken,
to put up wikipages that explain each and every government procedure and
rule.

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Gautam John wrote:

> Not really a Wikipedia model, what?
>
> Crying shame about the license.
>
> Wondering if the Chapter and the Office can do anything?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Best,
>
> Gautam
> (handheld)
> On Sep 2, 2011 10:00 PM, "Sohel Bohra"  wrote:
> >
> http://www.livemint.com/articles/2011/08/29214955/Govt-starts-website-to-explain.html?atype=tp
> >
> > *Govt starts website to explain economic terms and concepts*
> > Remya Nair
> >
> > The government has started Arthapedia, a website designed on the lines of
> > Wikipedia, that will act as a source of reference for economic terms and
> > concepts used in the public policy domain in India.
> >
> > The website, an attempt by the government to bridge the gap between
> > policymakers and the general public, was inaugurated on Monday by
> Planning
> > Commission deputy chairperson Montek Singh Ahluwalia as a part of the
> golden
> > jubilee celebrations of the Indian Economic Service. It will cater to the
> > requirements of academicians, economists, policy practitioners,
> journalists,
> > students and other interested parties, both within India and abroad.
> >
> > “The objective of this portal is to increase transparency in government
> by
> > simplifying indigenous concepts or by introducing domestic institutions
> to
> > support the professional development of public policy economists,” the
> > website says. “It is meant to enrich and enhance citizen-friendly policy
> > formulation through dialogue and collaborative action.”
> >
> > A finance ministry official involved in the designing of the website said
> > government officials may frequently use some terminologies unique to
> India
> > such as *panchayati raj* and flagship programmes, such as the Mahatma
> Gandhi
> > National Rural Employment Guarantee Scheme, but their exact scope and
> > meaning may not be well known to others. “The idea is to explain the
> meaning
> > and relevance of the terms in the Indian context. Also, some terms may
> have
> > different meanings in different countries. It is important that the
> Indian
> > context is explained,” she said.
> > Besides explaining terms and concepts, the website will also offer
> detailed
> > profiles of some of the key Indian policymakers. To begin with, the
> website
> > has uploaded five profiles—Prime Minister Manmohan Singh; finance
> minister
> > Pranab Mukherjee; C. Rangarajan, chairman of the Economic Advisory
> Council
> > to the Prime Minister of India; Ahluwalia; and Reserve Bank of India
> > governor D. Subbarao.
> >
> > Users willing to upgrade the text and context of a particular word can
> open
> > the text on a virtual mode and edit the same with authentic references.
> The
> > edited content is posted after being moderated by the editorial board. In
> > the initial phase, however, only serving IES officers will be allowed to
> > write the content of this website and non-IES persons can only post
> comments
> > and queries for now.
> >
> > To be sure, the website has a disclaimer that says the government of
> India
> > does not monitor the entries and the views expressed therein are not
> > necessarily those of the government. “The entries, therefore, must not be
> > treated as official statements of policy or definitions”.
> > It will, however, take some time for the website to become a one-stop
> > destination for all terms, concepts and profiles of eminent
> personalities.
> >
> > “Going ahead, the challenge will be to sustain the portal with constant
> > upgradation,” Kaushik Basu, chief economic adviser in the finance
> ministry,
> > said.
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Sohel Bohra
> > Co-founder - WikifyIndia 
>
> > +91-95038 48386
> > so...@wikifyindia.com
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Arthapedia - Indian Gov Site on the lines of Wikipedia

[Gautam John]

Not really a Wikipedia model, what?

Crying shame about the license.

Wondering if the Chapter and the Office can do anything?

Thank you.

Best,

Gautam
(handheld)
On Sep 2, 2011 10:00 PM, "Sohel Bohra"  wrote:
>
http://www.livemint.com/articles/2011/08/29214955/Govt-starts-website-to-explain.html?atype=tp
>
> *Govt starts website to explain economic terms and concepts*
> Remya Nair
>
> The government has started Arthapedia, a website designed on the lines of
> Wikipedia, that will act as a source of reference for economic terms and
> concepts used in the public policy domain in India.
>
> The website, an attempt by the government to bridge the gap between
> policymakers and the general public, was inaugurated on Monday by Planning
> Commission deputy chairperson Montek Singh Ahluwalia as a part of the
golden
> jubilee celebrations of the Indian Economic Service. It will cater to the
> requirements of academicians, economists, policy practitioners,
journalists,
> students and other interested parties, both within India and abroad.
>
> “The objective of this portal is to increase transparency in government by
> simplifying indigenous concepts or by introducing domestic institutions to
> support the professional development of public policy economists,” the
> website says. “It is meant to enrich and enhance citizen-friendly policy
> formulation through dialogue and collaborative action.”
>
> A finance ministry official involved in the designing of the website said
> government officials may frequently use some terminologies unique to India
> such as *panchayati raj* and flagship programmes, such as the Mahatma
Gandhi
> National Rural Employment Guarantee Scheme, but their exact scope and
> meaning may not be well known to others. “The idea is to explain the
meaning
> and relevance of the terms in the Indian context. Also, some terms may
have
> different meanings in different countries. It is important that the Indian
> context is explained,” she said.
> Besides explaining terms and concepts, the website will also offer
detailed
> profiles of some of the key Indian policymakers. To begin with, the
website
> has uploaded five profiles—Prime Minister Manmohan Singh; finance minister
> Pranab Mukherjee; C. Rangarajan, chairman of the Economic Advisory Council
> to the Prime Minister of India; Ahluwalia; and Reserve Bank of India
> governor D. Subbarao.
>
> Users willing to upgrade the text and context of a particular word can
open
> the text on a virtual mode and edit the same with authentic references.
The
> edited content is posted after being moderated by the editorial board. In
> the initial phase, however, only serving IES officers will be allowed to
> write the content of this website and non-IES persons can only post
comments
> and queries for now.
>
> To be sure, the website has a disclaimer that says the government of India
> does not monitor the entries and the views expressed therein are not
> necessarily those of the government. “The entries, therefore, must not be
> treated as official statements of policy or definitions”.
> It will, however, take some time for the website to become a one-stop
> destination for all terms, concepts and profiles of eminent personalities.
>
> “Going ahead, the challenge will be to sustain the portal with constant
> upgradation,” Kaushik Basu, chief economic adviser in the finance
ministry,
> said.
>
>
> --
>
> Sohel Bohra
> Co-founder - WikifyIndia 
> +91-95038 48386
> so...@wikifyindia.com
> Twitter  |
> Facebook<
http://www.facebook.com/mobileprotection#%21/pages/WikifyIndia/206108042761681
>
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