Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Is it morally right for govts to support sanskrit wikipedia?
Good one Prateek. Let us not jump to any conslusions yet. Let us not defeat the purpose of this mailing list. It is not our part to decide whether the government was right or wrong and dole out judgements. Swaroop G Rao On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 18:03, Prateek Ramachandra wrote: > Dear Basavaraj, > > Well... Sanskrit is the mother of most Indian languages... just because > many dont know how to speak in sanskrit today... that doesn't mean that > sanskrit should be allowed to wither away... moreover sanskrit is one of the > official languages of India... > > Lets speak about what's happening today... Irrespective of cast, creed, > religion Sanskrit is being taught everywhere... Its open to all... anyone > can learn it if they wish... We have a Sanskrit University today in > Karnataka... > > Views on caste, creed, religion should not be discussed here... Lets not > forget that Wikipedia is today open to all irrespective of cast, > creed,religion... All those who can access internet that is... In two > decades at the most... Computers and internet would be like what mobile > phones are today... it will be available for everyone at less cost... Now.. > when that happens... I think Wikipedia would be very handy to everyone... > > Its in the best interest for the future generations to access about > anything they wish to learn about, in any language they wish... > > If people put up articles on Wikipedia, edit them and provide* credible, > reliable and relevant *references for their articles... then there are no > problems at all... we will have a wonderful database of information about > nearly everything in most languages that are existing today... that should > be our aim... > > Regards, > Prateek Ramachandra. > > ___ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > > ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Is it morally right for govts to support sanskrit wikipedia?
Dear Basavaraj, Well... Sanskrit is the mother of most Indian languages... just because many dont know how to speak in sanskrit today... that doesn't mean that sanskrit should be allowed to wither away... moreover sanskrit is one of the official languages of India... Lets speak about what's happening today... Irrespective of cast, creed, religion Sanskrit is being taught everywhere... Its open to all... anyone can learn it if they wish... We have a Sanskrit University today in Karnataka... Views on caste, creed, religion should not be discussed here... Lets not forget that Wikipedia is today open to all irrespective of cast, creed,religion... All those who can access internet that is... In two decades at the most... Computers and internet would be like what mobile phones are today... it will be available for everyone at less cost... Now.. when that happens... I think Wikipedia would be very handy to everyone... Its in the best interest for the future generations to access about anything they wish to learn about, in any language they wish... If people put up articles on Wikipedia, edit them and provide* credible, reliable and relevant *references for their articles... then there are no problems at all... we will have a wonderful database of information about nearly everything in most languages that are existing today... that should be our aim... Regards, Prateek Ramachandra. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Is it morally right for govts to support sanskrit wikipedia?
On 26 February 2011 16:40, Srikanth Ramakrishnan wrote: > What does, sanskirt wikipedia have to do with social class and caste system > and what not? IMHO, nothing. Was responding to the earlier email. Mea culpa, if it was out of place. Thank you. Best, Gautam http://social.prathambooks.org/ ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Is it morally right for govts to support sanskrit wikipedia?
What does, sanskirt wikipedia have to do with social class and caste system and what not? Regards, Srikanth On 26 February 2011 16:36, Gautam John wrote: > Hi Basavaraj (and welcome to the list!): > > Arguendo, that Sanskti is socially irrelevant, why should a Wikipedia > in that language not exist by force of action given that one already > exists and is active? Would that not be a morally egregious position - > to state that it should *not* exist? In my humble view, there is a big > difference between forcefully shutting something that is active down > and in not encouraging activity on something that is dormant. > > Also, Wikipedia in any language is not a body of work about that > language but an encyclopedia in that language - the two aren't really > analogous. > > Thank you. > > Best, > > Gautam > > http://social.prathambooks.org/ > > > > On 26 February 2011 16:31, Basavaraj Itnal > wrote: > > > > some reading on brahmanical tyranny, lack of social relevence of > sanskrit and related topics > > > > > http://books.google.co.in/books?id=Be3PCvzf-BYC&pg=PA286&lpg=PA286&dq=sanskrit+brahmin+tyranny&source=bl&ots=9iavUaojxp&sig=by29KPhS9N1zl7yblgKxwhxs_DQ&hl=en&ei=DNdoTebsDIrMrQeakfDCCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=sanskrit%20brahmin%20tyranny&f=false > > > > > http://www.ambedkar.org/brahmanism/Brahmins_were_benefited_by_Muslim_Conquest.htm > > > > > > http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/sanskrit_exposure.htm > > > > > > > > Basavaraj N Itnal > > > > --- On Sat, 2/26/11, Arun Ramarathnam wrote: > > > > From: Arun Ramarathnam > > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Is it morally right for govts to support > sanskrit wikipedia? > > To: "Wikimedia India Community list" < > wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > > Cc: "Basavaraj Itnal" > > Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 10:36 AM > > > > Basavaraj, > > First of all, welcome to the mailing list and thanks for you interest in > wikipedia. > > On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Basavaraj Itnal < > basavarajit...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > 1. Till the Britsh Raj, Brahmins kept a large part of Indian society out > of bounds from knowledge which was in Sanskrit. They had provisions to pour > molten lead into the ears of non-brahmins (including all women) who even > heard a word of sanskrit. knowledge contained in that language is now > available in English and Sanskrit only symbolises tyranny. Do we need > Wikipedia in Sanskrit with the support of govt funding? > > > > On you question on government support for a specific language, it would > be inappropriate for anyone to comment on behalf of government action. They > (govt) are probably best positioned to respond to that query. > > As a far support for wikipedia or wikipedia is concerned, given there is > a lot of volunteer work to be done, support from any quarters is welcome - > individuals or organisations is welcome. > > The intention of this list is to connect wikipedians and those interested > in wikipedia. > > Wikipedia seeks to collate the sum total off all knowledge and make it > available for all to use freely. That includes as many languages as possible > including Sanskrit and Pali. > > We should also bear in mind the following as well; > > - The eight schedule of the Indian constitution lists Sanskrit as one of > the 22 languages [1] > > - Sanskrit is also the official language of one of the states of India - > Uttarkhand. [2] > > > > > > 2. Why cannt we have a wikepedia in Pali as well, the language which was > used by Budha and which can give us an alternate view on life to that of > vedic view? > > > > > > This has been answered by others on the list. You are welcome to > contribute to Pali or any other language of your choice / interest on > wikipedia.Volunteer content contributions are most welcome. > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_languages_of_India > > [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uttarkhand > > best regards > > Arun > > > > > > > > ___ > > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > > > > > > > > ___ > > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > > > > ___ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > -- Regards, ME. Wear a Lungi, Support the Movement My infrastructure invasion... plus other images too.. on Wikimedia Commons. http://bit.ly/d50SIq ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Is it morally right for govts to support sanskrit wikipedia?
Hi Basavaraj (and welcome to the list!): Arguendo, that Sanskti is socially irrelevant, why should a Wikipedia in that language not exist by force of action given that one already exists and is active? Would that not be a morally egregious position - to state that it should *not* exist? In my humble view, there is a big difference between forcefully shutting something that is active down and in not encouraging activity on something that is dormant. Also, Wikipedia in any language is not a body of work about that language but an encyclopedia in that language - the two aren't really analogous. Thank you. Best, Gautam http://social.prathambooks.org/ On 26 February 2011 16:31, Basavaraj Itnal wrote: > > some reading on brahmanical tyranny, lack of social relevence of sanskrit and > related topics > > http://books.google.co.in/books?id=Be3PCvzf-BYC&pg=PA286&lpg=PA286&dq=sanskrit+brahmin+tyranny&source=bl&ots=9iavUaojxp&sig=by29KPhS9N1zl7yblgKxwhxs_DQ&hl=en&ei=DNdoTebsDIrMrQeakfDCCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=sanskrit%20brahmin%20tyranny&f=false > > http://www.ambedkar.org/brahmanism/Brahmins_were_benefited_by_Muslim_Conquest.htm > > > http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/sanskrit_exposure.htm > > > > Basavaraj N Itnal > > --- On Sat, 2/26/11, Arun Ramarathnam wrote: > > From: Arun Ramarathnam > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Is it morally right for govts to support > sanskrit wikipedia? > To: "Wikimedia India Community list" > Cc: "Basavaraj Itnal" > Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 10:36 AM > > Basavaraj, > First of all, welcome to the mailing list and thanks for you interest in > wikipedia. > On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Basavaraj Itnal > wrote: > > 1. Till the Britsh Raj, Brahmins kept a large part of Indian society out of > bounds from knowledge which was in Sanskrit. They had provisions to pour > molten lead into the ears of non-brahmins (including all women) who even > heard a word of sanskrit. knowledge contained in that language is now > available in English and Sanskrit only symbolises tyranny. Do we need > Wikipedia in Sanskrit with the support of govt funding? > > On you question on government support for a specific language, it would be > inappropriate for anyone to comment on behalf of government action. They > (govt) are probably best positioned to respond to that query. > As a far support for wikipedia or wikipedia is concerned, given there is a > lot of volunteer work to be done, support from any quarters is welcome - > individuals or organisations is welcome. > The intention of this list is to connect wikipedians and those interested in > wikipedia. > Wikipedia seeks to collate the sum total off all knowledge and make it > available for all to use freely. That includes as many languages as possible > including Sanskrit and Pali. > We should also bear in mind the following as well; > - The eight schedule of the Indian constitution lists Sanskrit as one of the > 22 languages [1] > - Sanskrit is also the official language of one of the states of India - > Uttarkhand. [2] > > > 2. Why cannt we have a wikepedia in Pali as well, the language which was used > by Budha and which can give us an alternate view on life to that of vedic > view? > > > This has been answered by others on the list. You are welcome to contribute > to Pali or any other language of your choice / interest on > wikipedia.Volunteer content contributions are most welcome. > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_languages_of_India > [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uttarkhand > best regards > Arun > > > > ___ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > > > > ___ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Is it morally right for govts to support sanskrit wikipedia?
some reading on brahmanical tyranny, lack of social relevence of sanskrit and related topics http://books.google.co.in/books?id=Be3PCvzf-BYC&pg=PA286&lpg=PA286&dq=sanskrit+brahmin+tyranny&source=bl&ots=9iavUaojxp&sig=by29KPhS9N1zl7yblgKxwhxs_DQ&hl=en&ei=DNdoTebsDIrMrQeakfDCCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=sanskrit%20brahmin%20tyranny&f=false http://www.ambedkar.org/brahmanism/Brahmins_were_benefited_by_Muslim_Conquest.htm http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/sanskrit_exposure.htm Basavaraj N Itnal --- On Sat, 2/26/11, Arun Ramarathnam wrote: From: Arun Ramarathnam Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Is it morally right for govts to support sanskrit wikipedia? To: "Wikimedia India Community list" Cc: "Basavaraj Itnal" Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 10:36 AM Basavaraj, First of all, welcome to the mailing list and thanks for you interest in wikipedia. On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Basavaraj Itnal wrote: 1. Till the Britsh Raj, Brahmins kept a large part of Indian society out of bounds from knowledge which was in Sanskrit. They had provisions to pour molten lead into the ears of non-brahmins (including all women) who even heard a word of sanskrit. knowledge contained in that language is now available in English and Sanskrit only symbolises tyranny. Do we need Wikipedia in Sanskrit with the support of govt funding? On you question on government support for a specific language, it would be inappropriate for anyone to comment on behalf of government action. They (govt) are probably best positioned to respond to that query. As a far support for wikipedia or wikipedia is concerned, given there is a lot of volunteer work to be done, support from any quarters is welcome - individuals or organisations is welcome. The intention of this list is to connect wikipedians and those interested in wikipedia. Wikipedia seeks to collate the sum total off all knowledge and make it available for all to use freely. That includes as many languages as possible including Sanskrit and Pali. We should also bear in mind the following as well; - The eight schedule of the Indian constitution lists Sanskrit as one of the 22 languages [1] - Sanskrit is also the official language of one of the states of India - Uttarkhand. [2] 2. Why cannt we have a wikepedia in Pali as well, the language which was used by Budha and which can give us an alternate view on life to that of vedic view? This has been answered by others on the list. You are welcome to contribute to Pali or any other language of your choice / interest on wikipedia.Volunteer content contributions are most welcome. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_languages_of_India [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uttarkhand best regards Arun ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Is it morally right for govts to support sanskrit wikipedia?
Basavaraj, First of all, welcome to the mailing list and thanks for you interest in wikipedia. On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Basavaraj Itnal wrote: > 1. Till the Britsh Raj, Brahmins kept a large part of Indian society out of > bounds from knowledge which was in Sanskrit. They had provisions to pour > molten lead into the ears of non-brahmins (including all women) who even > heard a word of sanskrit. knowledge contained in that language is now > available in English and Sanskrit only symbolises tyranny. Do we need > Wikipedia in Sanskrit with the support of govt funding? > On you question on government support for a specific language, it would be inappropriate for anyone to comment on behalf of government action. They (govt) are probably best positioned to respond to that query. As a far support for wikipedia or wikipedia is concerned, given there is a lot of volunteer work to be done, support from any quarters is welcome - individuals or organisations is welcome. The intention of this list is to connect wikipedians and those interested in wikipedia. Wikipedia seeks to collate the sum total off all knowledge and make it available for all to use freely. That includes as many languages as possible including Sanskrit and Pali. We should also bear in mind the following as well; - The eight schedule of the Indian constitution lists Sanskrit as one of the 22 languages [1] - Sanskrit is also the official language of one of the states of India - Uttarkhand. [2] > > 2. Why cannt we have a wikepedia in Pali as well, the language which was > used by Budha and which can give us an alternate view on life to that of > vedic view? > > This has been answered by others on the list. You are welcome to contribute to Pali or any other language of your choice / interest on wikipedia.Volunteer content contributions are most welcome. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_languages_of_India [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uttarkhand best regards Arun > > > > ___ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Is it morally right for govts to support sanskrit wikipedia?
Just in case, you are not aware , there is a Wikipedia in Pali. http://wikimedia.in/wiki/List_of_Indian_language_wiki_projects#Pali_.E2.80.93_pi http://pi.wikipedia.org So can we assume Pali Wikipedia got one more contributor from today ? Regards Tinu Cherian On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Basavaraj Itnal wrote: > 1. Till the Britsh Raj, Brahmins kept a large part of Indian society out of > bounds from knowledge which was in Sanskrit. They had provisions to pour > molten lead into the ears of non-brahmins (including all women) who even > heard a word of sanskrit. knowledge contained in that language is now > available in English and Sanskrit only symbolises tyranny. Do we need > Wikipedia in Sanskrit with the support of govt funding? > > 2. Why cannt we have a wikepedia in Pali as well, the language which was > used by Budha and which can give us an alternate view on life to that of > vedic view? > > > > > ___ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Is it morally right for govts to support sanskrit wikipedia?
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 15:01, Basavaraj Itnal wrote: > 1. Till the Britsh Raj, Brahmins kept a large part of Indian society out of > bounds from knowledge which was in Sanskrit. They had provisions to pour > molten lead into the ears of non-brahmins (including all women) who even > heard a word of sanskrit. knowledge contained in that language is now > available in English and Sanskrit only symbolises tyranny. Do we need > Wikipedia in Sanskrit with the support of govt funding? > Please keep your views on caste and Indian society to yourself. Its irrelevant in this list. Need for Sanskrit wikipedia -> Yes, there is a need for it like the need for Wikipedia in any other language. The news article on ToI regarding govt funding is very vague and none of us (most and the vocal ones) here have no clue about it(It was discussed in length in other thread [1]), so lets not comment about it without knowing any fact. 2. Why cannt we have a wikepedia in Pali as well, the language which was > used by Budha and which can give us an alternate view on life to that of > vedic view? > There is one already http://pi.wikipedia.org. You are free to contribute to it(in a way that helps). Contrary to what you think,Wikipedia in Sanskrit is not a representation of vedic view, its an encyclopedia written in Sanskrit.(That said i cant vouch for the contents since i dont know sanskrit). I thought you need some understanding on Wikipedia's editing policies, seems a good reading of what wikipedia is and what its not [2] is also required to enhance your understanding on the same. I can still help you making you understand if you are ready to hear without any prejudices / pre-conceived notions after reading the same. [1] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-February/002398.html [2] http://enwp.org/WP:NOT Regards, Srikanth L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
