Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] National Museum, New Delhi

2011-06-29 Thread Noopur
Hey, I might be able to help you out identifying the work. What info do you
need on these?

On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello,

 Do we have an official contact with the National Museum, New Delhi?

 There are interesting documents there which could add valuable
 information to Wikipedia and Commons,
 but they are copyrighted. Could we get a permission?

 In addition, I need some help for identifying some images:

 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:King_and_his_army,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg

 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rama_and_the_monkey_army,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg

 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Krishna_and_gopis,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg

 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Embroidery,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg

 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sculpture,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg

 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pottery,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg

 Thanks,

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] National Museum, New Delhi

2011-06-29 Thread Ashwin Baindur
Yann, these images should be licensed as being in public domain as of now.
How come you have claimed copyright?

Warm regards,

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On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello,

 Do we have an official contact with the National Museum, New Delhi?

 There are interesting documents there which could add valuable
 information to Wikipedia and Commons,
 but they are copyrighted. Could we get a permission?

 In addition, I need some help for identifying some images:

 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:King_and_his_army,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg

 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rama_and_the_monkey_army,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg

 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Krishna_and_gopis,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg

 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Embroidery,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg

 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sculpture,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg

 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pottery,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg

 Thanks,

 Yann

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] National Museum, New Delhi

2011-06-29 Thread Gautam John
On 29 June 2011 15:00, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yann, these images should be licensed as being in public domain as of now.
 How come you have claimed copyright?

Because he took them?

Thank you.

Best,

Gautam

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] National Museum, New Delhi

2011-06-29 Thread Ashwin Baindur
We have many people who scan images from books, etc. In those cases we give
copyright as applicable, as public domain if they are old. Is the case
different in case we take photos from art?

Warm regards,

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On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote:

 On 29 June 2011 15:00, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote:

  Yann, these images should be licensed as being in public domain as of
 now.
  How come you have claimed copyright?

 Because he took them?

 Thank you.

 Best,

 Gautam
 
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] National Museum, New Delhi

2011-06-29 Thread Gautam John
On 29 June 2011 15:15, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote:

 We have many people who scan images from books, etc. In those cases we give
 copyright as applicable, as public domain if they are old. Is the case
 different in case we take photos from art?

Very much! A picture of the Mona Lisa is copyrightable. Even if the
painting of the Mona Lisa is out of copyright.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] National Museum, New Delhi

2011-06-29 Thread Prashanth NS
HmmI guess the choice is personal here - copyrightable captures that 
well. And if a copyright is chosen, perhaps sweat of the brow reasoning 
applies? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweat_of_the_brow). anyways, the license 
chosen in this case is not restrictive. 


On 29-Jun-2011, at 11:46 AM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote:

 On 29 June 2011 15:15, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 We have many people who scan images from books, etc. In those cases we give
 copyright as applicable, as public domain if they are old. Is the case
 different in case we take photos from art?
 
 Very much! A picture of the Mona Lisa is copyrightable. Even if the
 painting of the Mona Lisa is out of copyright.
 
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] National Museum, New Delhi

2011-06-29 Thread Vickram Crishna
It's an interesting point. A photograph of a piece of art or heritage cannot
logically* claim copyright, but what about a picture of a friend standing in
front of said piece of art/heritage?

*but then again, logic and copyright often do not occupy the same space and
time

On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote:

 We have many people who scan images from books, etc. In those cases we give
 copyright as applicable, as public domain if they are old. Is the case
 different in case we take photos from art?

 Warm regards,

 Ashwin Baindur
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 On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote:

 On 29 June 2011 15:00, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote:

  Yann, these images should be licensed as being in public domain as of
 now.
  How come you have claimed copyright?

 Because he took them?

 Thank you.

 Best,

 Gautam
 
 http://social.prathambooks.org/

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] National Museum, New Delhi

2011-06-29 Thread Yann Forget
Hello,

2011/6/29 Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com:
 Yann, these images should be licensed as being in public domain as of now.
 How come you have claimed copyright?

The policy is that photos of 3D work of art are copyritable.
I changed the license for 2D work of art.

 Warm regards,

 User:AshLin

Best regards,

Yann

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] National Museum, New Delhi

2011-06-29 Thread Yann Forget
Hello,

2011/6/29 Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com:
 Hey, I might be able to help you out identifying the work. What info do you
 need on these?

More complete description, date, etc.

Thanks for your help,

Yann

 On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello,

 Do we have an official contact with the National Museum, New Delhi?

 There are interesting documents there which could add valuable
 information to Wikipedia and Commons,
 but they are copyrighted. Could we get a permission?

 In addition, I need some help for identifying some images:

 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:King_and_his_army,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg

 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rama_and_the_monkey_army,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg

 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Krishna_and_gopis,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg

 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Embroidery,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg

 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sculpture,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg

 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pottery,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg

 Thanks,

 Yann

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] National Museum, New Delhi

2011-06-29 Thread Vickram Crishna
Noopur, please clarify about the difference between a camera photograph and
a scanned photograph. I am not clear how a photograph automatically gains
the status of a work of art, unless this is a legal definition and is not
meant to be analysed from an 'artistic' point of view.

On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello,

 2011/6/29 Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com:
  Hey, I might be able to help you out identifying the work. What info do
 you
  need on these?

 More complete description, date, etc.

 Thanks for your help,

 Yann

  On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hello,
 
  Do we have an official contact with the National Museum, New Delhi?
 
  There are interesting documents there which could add valuable
  information to Wikipedia and Commons,
  but they are copyrighted. Could we get a permission?
 
  In addition, I need some help for identifying some images:
 
 
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:King_and_his_army,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg
 
 
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rama_and_the_monkey_army,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg
 
 
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Krishna_and_gopis,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg
 
 
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Embroidery,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg
 
 
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sculpture,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg
 
 
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pottery,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg
 
  Thanks,
 
  Yann
 
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  Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] National Museum, New Delhi

2011-06-29 Thread Yann Forget
Hello,

2011/6/29 Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com:
 Hey, I might be able to help you out identifying the work. What info do you
 need on these?

Here is an example with complete information:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Vishnu_holding_lotus_flowers,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg

Regards,

Yann

 On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello,

 Do we have an official contact with the National Museum, New Delhi?

 There are interesting documents there which could add valuable
 information to Wikipedia and Commons,
 but they are copyrighted. Could we get a permission?

 In addition, I need some help for identifying some images:

 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:King_and_his_army,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg

 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rama_and_the_monkey_army,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg

 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Krishna_and_gopis,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg

 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Embroidery,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg

 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sculpture,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg

 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pottery,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg

 Thanks,

 Yann

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] National Museum, New Delhi

2011-06-29 Thread Pranesh Prakash

On Wednesday 29 June 2011 03:16 PM, Gautam John wrote:

Very much! A picture of the Mona Lisa is copyrightable. Even if the
painting of the Mona Lisa is out of copyright.


I normally would hold that this is so, and have done so for years.

However, given the recent interpretations by the Delhi High Court of the 
Supreme Court decision in EBC v. Modak, I'm not so sure any more.


I think it is now arguable that a plain photograph that is meant to 
merely be a representation of the underlying painting is not original, 
lacking skill and judgment (or modicum of creativity, based on which 
test you believe EBC v. Modak lays down as the test for 'originality').[1]


I doubt any court would grant a scanner copyright over unedited scans.

Regards,
Pranesh

 [1]: While it is not arguable whether EBC v. Modak (INSC) lays down 
exercise of skill and judgment as the test for originality or modicum 
of creativity, it is very clear that it squarely rejects the older 
sweat of the brow test.


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] National Museum, New Delhi

2011-06-29 Thread Pranesh Prakash

On Wednesday 29 June 2011 03:20 PM, Vickram Crishna wrote:

It's an interesting point. A photograph of a piece of art or heritage cannot
logically* claim copyright, but what about a picture of a friend standing in
front of said piece of art/heritage?


That is, undoubtedly, copyrightable (and hence, copyrighted as per our law).

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] National Museum, New Delhi

2011-06-29 Thread Gautam John
On 29 June 2011 17:49, Pranesh Prakash pran...@cis-india.org wrote:

 Very much! A picture of the Mona Lisa is copyrightable. Even if the
 painting of the Mona Lisa is out of copyright.
 I normally would hold that this is so, and have done so for years.
 However, given the recent interpretations by the Delhi High Court of the
 Supreme Court decision in EBC v. Modak, I'm not so sure any more.

I stand corrected. Thanks Pranesh.

So the answer is now It depends? :D

 I doubt any court would grant a scanner copyright over unedited scans.

Agreed.

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