Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Revitalising the Wikimedia India chapter

2014-04-28 Thread Gautam John
On 29 April 2014 01:00, Asaf Bartov wrote: > 1. Chapters are free to set their own course and come up with their own > strategy, goals, and annual plans. They are thus independent. > 2. Chapters that want to avail themselves of _movement funds_ -- a > relatively plentiful and relatively accessib

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Revitalising the Wikimedia India chapter

2014-04-28 Thread Dhaval S. Vyas
Thank you Asaf for correcting my facts. When I said WMIN was denied funding, It was obvious that I was referring to the large chunk of budget that was denied and didn't mean that "no funding was approved". I am glad to see your reply to Gerald's question that I attempted to answer, which you found

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Revitalising the Wikimedia India chapter

2014-04-28 Thread Vikram Vincent
Hello Asaf, On 29 April 2014 01:00, Asaf Bartov wrote: > I asserted that the abiding disagreement between WMF and WMIN is much more > around the _how_ than the _what_, and that that disagreement can be Can you please elaborate a bit more on the disagreement of 'how' Thanks Vikram

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Revitalising the Wikimedia India chapter

2014-04-28 Thread Asaf Bartov
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 11:51 PM, Gautam John wrote: > In general, are Chapters expected to focus on what the goals of the > WMF and FDC are? Or are they free to chart their own course about > things that they believe are important to the geographies they serve? > And if they don't toe the WMF/FD

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Revitalising the Wikimedia India chapter

2014-04-28 Thread Asaf Bartov
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Dhaval S. Vyas wrote: > Hi Gerard, > > I know a chapter in Europe, where probably you come from, which doesn't > depend on WMF's grant or funds as it has raised a huge amount on its own. > That chapter, WMUK, is still considered WMF chapter if I am not mistaking.

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Revitalising the Wikimedia India chapter

2014-04-28 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I am from the Netherlands and, its chapter is very much depended on WMF money. Fundraising is NOT its strong point.. If you are interested in a chapter that has its own revenue stream look at Poland. I do know that the Indian chapter did not receive the funding it looked for and, personally I

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Revitalising the Wikimedia India chapter

2014-04-28 Thread Dhaval S. Vyas
Hi Gerard, I know a chapter in Europe, where probably you come from, which doesn't depend on WMF's grant or funds as it has raised a huge amount on its own. That chapter, WMUK, is still considered WMF chapter if I am not mistaking. Also, the need for WMIN to raise its own funds has arisen because

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Revitalising the Wikimedia India chapter

2014-04-28 Thread Gautam John
On 28 April 2014 12:45, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Independence is just that. When you can get money when you focus on certain > goals, you will when you do. When you want to go a different route, you may > but that is your route and funding for it is your responsibility as well. That's fair enoug

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Revitalising the Wikimedia India chapter

2014-04-28 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Independence is just that. When you can get money when you focus on certain goals, you will when you do. When you want to go a different route, you may but that is your route and funding for it is your responsibility as well. Given what a chapter is, I would expect that it has ample scope to

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Revitalising the Wikimedia India chapter

2014-04-27 Thread Gautam John
On 18 April 2014 12:03, Asaf Bartov wrote: > This is in response to WMIN not being granted the full amount it has > requested via the Annual Plan Grants process[1]. Since funds are available > relatively plentifully at the movement level, and since WMF is strategically > interested in promoting

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Revitalising the Wikimedia India chapter

2014-04-17 Thread Asaf Bartov
Thanks for this constructive invitation. I look forward to this conversation, and I commit to contribute to it, as invited, from my perspective, once some community members have offered opinions. One point I'd beg to differ on, though, right from the start, is your suggestion that WMIN focus on r