Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM projects

[Limoke Oscar]

Maybe it will be a good time we copied our Lawyer ( Abbas's namesake : :-)
) for advise?



On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 11:11 AM, stephen wanjau wrote:

> Hello!
>
> Yes, *right to access* is enshrined in the Kenyan constitution. What of
> how you use the material/information that you gained access to?
>
> For instance, photographs of Mzee Jomo Kenyatta while he was in young etc.
> Yes we can access the photograph but are we allowed to use it in any way we
> wish (*freely*) and for that matter upload it to commons where we will no
> longer have control of what and where it will be used for illustrations or
> any other purpose.
>
> IMO, We need to know about copyright expiry of some of these works
> according to the laws of Kenya, and the authors desired ways of attribution
> if any to ensure we do not step on anyone’s toes.
>
> I would be interested to know whether there is a clause or chapter in our
> constitution that addresses the issue of intellectual property since it is
> the supreme law of Kenya.
>
> PS: Anyone with a soft copy can as well forward the same.
>
> //Stephen
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Abbas Mahmood wrote:
>
>>  I usually use the Kenyan Constitution (Article 35 in the Bill of
>> Rights) to argue my standpoint:
>>
>> "...every citizen has the right to access to information held by the
>> state or any information that is held by another person and that is
>> required for the exercise or protection of any right or fundamental
>> freedom."
>>
>> --Abbas.
>>
>> ------
>> From: stevewan...@wikimedia.or.ke
>> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 09:46:49 +0300
>>
>> To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM
>> projects
>>
>> Hello Wikimedians!
>>
>> As the talks and discussions for partnerships fair on, we also need to be
>> preparing in the background some tools that will be handy during the
>> collaborations with the institutions in question.
>>
>> Such tools include but not limited to; Wikimedia commons KE licence
>> templates, Customized barnster awards for members who contribute to
>> WP:KENYA etc.
>>
>> From my English understanding of the Kenya copyrights act , (since I
>> ain't no lawyer: ) I understand that the copyright act of Kenya has some
>> special provisions for local works of art and photography. You can get a
>> copy of the copyright act at [1].
>>
>> Please Note: Am not a lawyer and I have no legal background locally and
>> internationally and thereforeany advise that I give should not be taken as
>> any form of legal advise.
>>
>> Have a good day.
>>
>> regards
>> //Stephen
>>
>> 1. http://www.copyright.go.ke/rough/copyright_act.pdf
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Iolanda Pensa  wrote:
>>
>> dear all
>> to involve institutions I think a good strategy is - as Stephen suggests
>> - to start. Below some hints related to my experience with GLAMs within
>> Share Your Knowledge and WikiAfrica projects.
>> all the best
>> iolanda
>>
>> 1. if it can be useful we just made two short videos about GLAMs,
>> Creative Commons and Wikipedia (in English, the voice was recorded in south
>> africa by the Africa Centre and one of them is the voice of Francis Awinda
>> - wikipedian in residence at the Africa Centre from Kenya).
>> * Share Your Knowledge WHY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPWc18LswRM
>> * Share Your Knowledge HOW - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpYmtRmPdUc
>> you find the videos also on Wikimedia Commons [1]
>>
>> 2. it can be productive to focus on specific contents. for example you
>> can ask a publisher to release with the open license cc by-sa only the
>> biography of their authors and their book description; for an archive the
>> story of the institutions (often already on their website); for an NGOs
>> some of their promotional publications. those are contents institutions
>> wish to share and they have less troubles in sharing. once they get started
>> is easier to get more because they see how their contents are used.
>>
>> 3. Public archives and museums are often the most difficult institutions
>> to involve in contributing to Wikipedia because - also if they understand -
>> they do not know who can take the decision. Often they also require a
>> formal agreement (which makes the collaboration even longer). it can be
>> useful to target also NGOs, foundations and other private institutions, to
>> get started and to be able to then tell the 

Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM projects

[stephen wanjau]

Hello!

Yes, *right to access* is enshrined in the Kenyan constitution. What of how
you use the material/information that you gained access to?

For instance, photographs of Mzee Jomo Kenyatta while he was in young etc.
Yes we can access the photograph but are we allowed to use it in any way we
wish (*freely*) and for that matter upload it to commons where we will no
longer have control of what and where it will be used for illustrations or
any other purpose.

IMO, We need to know about copyright expiry of some of these works
according to the laws of Kenya, and the authors desired ways of attribution
if any to ensure we do not step on anyone’s toes.

I would be interested to know whether there is a clause or chapter in our
constitution that addresses the issue of intellectual property since it is
the supreme law of Kenya.

PS: Anyone with a soft copy can as well forward the same.

//Stephen

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Abbas Mahmood  wrote:

>  I usually use the Kenyan Constitution (Article 35 in the Bill of Rights)
> to argue my standpoint:
>
> "...every citizen has the right to access to information held by the state
> or any information that is held by another person and that is required for
> the exercise or protection of any right or fundamental freedom."
>
> --Abbas.
>
> --
> From: stevewan...@wikimedia.or.ke
> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 09:46:49 +0300
>
> To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM
> projects
>
> Hello Wikimedians!
>
> As the talks and discussions for partnerships fair on, we also need to be
> preparing in the background some tools that will be handy during the
> collaborations with the institutions in question.
>
> Such tools include but not limited to; Wikimedia commons KE licence
> templates, Customized barnster awards for members who contribute to
> WP:KENYA etc.
>
> From my English understanding of the Kenya copyrights act , (since I ain't
> no lawyer: ) I understand that the copyright act of Kenya has some special
> provisions for local works of art and photography. You can get a copy of
> the copyright act at [1].
>
> Please Note: Am not a lawyer and I have no legal background locally and
> internationally and thereforeany advise that I give should not be taken as
> any form of legal advise.
>
> Have a good day.
>
> regards
> //Stephen
>
> 1. http://www.copyright.go.ke/rough/copyright_act.pdf
>
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Iolanda Pensa  wrote:
>
> dear all
> to involve institutions I think a good strategy is - as Stephen suggests -
> to start. Below some hints related to my experience with GLAMs within Share
> Your Knowledge and WikiAfrica projects.
> all the best
> iolanda
>
> 1. if it can be useful we just made two short videos about GLAMs, Creative
> Commons and Wikipedia (in English, the voice was recorded in south africa
> by the Africa Centre and one of them is the voice of Francis Awinda -
> wikipedian in residence at the Africa Centre from Kenya).
> * Share Your Knowledge WHY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPWc18LswRM
> * Share Your Knowledge HOW - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpYmtRmPdUc
> you find the videos also on Wikimedia Commons [1]
>
> 2. it can be productive to focus on specific contents. for example you can
> ask a publisher to release with the open license cc by-sa only the
> biography of their authors and their book description; for an archive the
> story of the institutions (often already on their website); for an NGOs
> some of their promotional publications. those are contents institutions
> wish to share and they have less troubles in sharing. once they get started
> is easier to get more because they see how their contents are used.
>
> 3. Public archives and museums are often the most difficult institutions
> to involve in contributing to Wikipedia because - also if they understand -
> they do not know who can take the decision. Often they also require a
> formal agreement (which makes the collaboration even longer). it can be
> useful to target also NGOs, foundations and other private institutions, to
> get started and to be able to then tell the public sector "hey, THEY are
> already doing it".
>
> [1] On Wikimedia Commons - Share Your Knowledge video 1 WHY (with final
> link to glamwiki.org)
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Share_Your_Knowledge_1_Why_glamwiki.ogv
> On Wikimedia Commons - Share Your Knowledge video 2 HOW (with final link
> to glamwiki.org)
> http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Share_Your_Knowledge_2_How_glamwiki.ogv
>
> Il giorno 18/giu/2012, alle ore 06:20, Stephen Wanjau ha scritto:
>
> Hello Folks!
>
> I have been physically following 

Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM projects

[Abbas Mahmood]

I usually use the Kenyan Constitution (Article 35 in the Bill of Rights) to 
argue my standpoint:
"...every citizen has the right to access to information held by the state or 
any information that is held by another person and that is required for the 
exercise or protection of any right or fundamental freedom." 
--Abbas.

From: stevewan...@wikimedia.or.ke
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 09:46:49 +0300
To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM   projects

Hello Wikimedians!

As the talks and discussions for partnerships fair on, we also need to be 
preparing in the background some tools that will be handy during the 
collaborations with the institutions in question.




Such tools include but not limited to; Wikimedia commons KE licence templates, 
Customized barnster awards for members who contribute to WP:KENYA etc. 

>From my English understanding of the Kenya copyrights act , (since I ain't no 
>lawyer: ) I understand that the copyright act of Kenya has some special 
>provisions for local works of art and photography. You can get a copy of the 
>copyright act at [1]. 




Please Note: Am not a lawyer and I have no legal background locally and 
internationally and thereforeany advise that I give should not be taken as any 
form of legal advise.

Have a good day.

regards
//Stephen



1. http://www.copyright.go.ke/rough/copyright_act.pdf


On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Iolanda Pensa  wrote:



dear allto involve institutions I think a good strategy is - as Stephen 
suggests - to start. Below some hints related to my experience with GLAMs 
within Share Your Knowledge and WikiAfrica projects.


all the bestiolanda
1. if it can be useful we just made two short videos about GLAMs, Creative 
Commons and Wikipedia (in English, the voice was recorded in south africa by 
the Africa Centre and one of them is the voice of Francis Awinda - wikipedian 
in residence at the Africa Centre from Kenya).


* Share Your Knowledge WHY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPWc18LswRM
* Share Your Knowledge HOW - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpYmtRmPdUc


you find the videos also on Wikimedia Commons [1]
2. it can be productive to focus on specific contents. for example you can ask 
a publisher to release with the open license cc by-sa only the biography of 
their authors and their book description; for an archive the story of the 
institutions (often already on their website); for an NGOs some of their 
promotional publications. those are contents institutions wish to share and 
they have less troubles in sharing. once they get started is easier to get more 
because they see how their contents are used.



3. Public archives and museums are often the most difficult institutions to 
involve in contributing to Wikipedia because - also if they understand - they 
do not know who can take the decision. Often they also require a formal 
agreement (which makes the collaboration even longer). it can be useful to 
target also NGOs, foundations and other private institutions, to get started 
and to be able to then tell the public sector "hey, THEY are already doing it".



[1] On Wikimedia Commons - Share Your Knowledge video 1 WHY (with final link to 
glamwiki.org) 
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Share_Your_Knowledge_1_Why_glamwiki.ogv



On Wikimedia Commons - Share Your Knowledge video 2 HOW (with final link to 
glamwiki.org) 
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Share_Your_Knowledge_2_How_glamwiki.ogv



Il giorno 18/giu/2012, alle ore 06:20, Stephen Wanjau ha scritto:
Hello Folks!

I have been physically following up on the subject of this email (together with 
Abbas and Alex) for sometime now and it seems the logistics and the speed with 
which these institutions are planning this are so slow that I feel I cant wait 
any longer. Those of you who have worked in the Kenyan government or for the 
Kenyan government definitely understand my concerns regarding the periods that 
they would take to decide on such a simple thing on what to do - probably call 
an AGM of the stakeholders. 






In most of the cases, these guys do not understand the online stuff or even how 
the internet works let alone Wikipedia (which is our work anyway). At the end 
they will come to appreciate that it is a good thing - which it is always 
is.There was a time when we visited the Kenya Railways museum and the curator 
there was always confusing their institutional website with Wikipedia. He 
thought Wikipedians job is to improve organizational websites! we clarified and 
made it clear about this and on the next meeting he was at it again!






On our meeting with another directorate of the National Museums of Kenya, he 
asked whether he could find Wikipedia on Google search. the exact conversation 
was as below.






Alex: Hello, My name is Alex and am here with my colleague Steve and we work at 
Wikipedia. Wikipedia is ...blah blah blah

Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM projects

[Stephen Wanjau]

Hello Wikimedians!

As the talks and discussions for partnerships fair on, we also need to be
preparing in the background some tools that will be handy during the
collaborations with the institutions in question.

Such tools include but not limited to; Wikimedia commons KE licence
templates, Customized barnster awards for members who contribute to
WP:KENYA etc.

>From my English understanding of the Kenya copyrights act , (since I ain't
no lawyer: ) I understand that the copyright act of Kenya has some special
provisions for local works of art and photography. You can get a copy of
the copyright act at [1].

Please Note: Am not a lawyer and I have no legal background locally and
internationally and thereforeany advise that I give should not be taken as
any form of legal advise.

Have a good day.

regards
//Stephen

1. http://www.copyright.go.ke/rough/copyright_act.pdf

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Iolanda Pensa  wrote:

> dear all
> to involve institutions I think a good strategy is - as Stephen suggests -
> to start. Below some hints related to my experience with GLAMs within Share
> Your Knowledge and WikiAfrica projects.
> all the best
> iolanda
>
> 1. if it can be useful we just made two short videos about GLAMs, Creative
> Commons and Wikipedia (in English, the voice was recorded in south africa
> by the Africa Centre and one of them is the voice of Francis Awinda -
> wikipedian in residence at the Africa Centre from Kenya).
> * Share Your Knowledge WHY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPWc18LswRM
> * Share Your Knowledge HOW - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpYmtRmPdUc
> you find the videos also on Wikimedia Commons [1]
>
> 2. it can be productive to focus on specific contents. for example you can
> ask a publisher to release with the open license cc by-sa only the
> biography of their authors and their book description; for an archive the
> story of the institutions (often already on their website); for an NGOs
> some of their promotional publications. those are contents institutions
> wish to share and they have less troubles in sharing. once they get started
> is easier to get more because they see how their contents are used.
>
> 3. Public archives and museums are often the most difficult institutions
> to involve in contributing to Wikipedia because - also if they understand -
> they do not know who can take the decision. Often they also require a
> formal agreement (which makes the collaboration even longer). it can be
> useful to target also NGOs, foundations and other private institutions, to
> get started and to be able to then tell the public sector "hey, THEY are
> already doing it".
>
> [1] On Wikimedia Commons - Share Your Knowledge video 1 WHY (with final
> link to glamwiki.org)
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Share_Your_Knowledge_1_Why_glamwiki.ogv
> On Wikimedia Commons - Share Your Knowledge video 2 HOW (with final link
> to glamwiki.org)
> http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Share_Your_Knowledge_2_How_glamwiki.ogv
>
> Il giorno 18/giu/2012, alle ore 06:20, Stephen Wanjau ha scritto:
>
> Hello Folks!
>
> I have been physically following up on the subject of this email (together
> with Abbas and Alex) for sometime now and it seems the logistics and the
> speed with which these institutions are planning this are so slow that I
> feel I cant wait any longer. Those of you who have worked in the Kenyan
> government or for the Kenyan government definitely understand my concerns
> regarding the periods that they would take to decide on such a simple thing
> on what to do - probably call an AGM of the stakeholders.
>
> In most of the cases, these guys do not understand the online stuff or
> even how the internet works let alone Wikipedia (which is our work anyway).
> At the end they will come to appreciate that it is a good thing - which it
> is always is.There was a time when we visited the Kenya Railways museum and
> the curator there was always confusing their institutional website with
> Wikipedia. He thought Wikipedians job is to improve organizational
> websites! we clarified and made it clear about this and on the next meeting
> he was at it again!
>
> On our meeting with another directorate of the National Museums of Kenya,
> he asked whether he could find Wikipedia on Google search. the exact
> conversation was as below.
>
> *Alex*: Hello, My name is Alex and am here with my colleague Steve and we
>>> work at Wikipedia. Wikipedia is ...blah blah blah
>>>
>> *Museum directorate*: Do you mean if I search Wikipedia  on Google I
>>> will find it? (Was just hilarious:)
>>>
>>
> Personally, I have not spoken to Kenya Archives about GLAM (though Abbas
> did). But I think we should just go ahead and organize editathons at this
> premises and this is why.
>
> On Sunday 17th 2012 I was to meet with a friend in town who was running
> late and so I decided to part with 50 Kenyan shillings ($0.5) and enter the
> premise (Kenya National Archives) just to see what it holds. Plus I d

Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM projects

[Iolanda Pensa]

dear all
to involve institutions I think a good strategy is - as Stephen suggests - to 
start. Below some hints related to my experience with GLAMs within Share Your 
Knowledge and WikiAfrica projects.
all the best
iolanda

1. if it can be useful we just made two short videos about GLAMs, Creative 
Commons and Wikipedia (in English, the voice was recorded in south africa by 
the Africa Centre and one of them is the voice of Francis Awinda - wikipedian 
in residence at the Africa Centre from Kenya).
* Share Your Knowledge WHY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPWc18LswRM
* Share Your Knowledge HOW - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpYmtRmPdUc
you find the videos also on Wikimedia Commons [1]

2. it can be productive to focus on specific contents. for example you can ask 
a publisher to release with the open license cc by-sa only the biography of 
their authors and their book description; for an archive the story of the 
institutions (often already on their website); for an NGOs some of their 
promotional publications. those are contents institutions wish to share and 
they have less troubles in sharing. once they get started is easier to get more 
because they see how their contents are used.

3. Public archives and museums are often the most difficult institutions to 
involve in contributing to Wikipedia because - also if they understand - they 
do not know who can take the decision. Often they also require a formal 
agreement (which makes the collaboration even longer). it can be useful to 
target also NGOs, foundations and other private institutions, to get started 
and to be able to then tell the public sector "hey, THEY are already doing it".

[1] On Wikimedia Commons - Share Your Knowledge video 1 WHY (with final link to 
glamwiki.org) 
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Share_Your_Knowledge_1_Why_glamwiki.ogv
On Wikimedia Commons - Share Your Knowledge video 2 HOW (with final link to 
glamwiki.org) 
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Share_Your_Knowledge_2_How_glamwiki.ogv

Il giorno 18/giu/2012, alle ore 06:20, Stephen Wanjau ha scritto:

> Hello Folks!
> 
> I have been physically following up on the subject of this email (together 
> with Abbas and Alex) for sometime now and it seems the logistics and the 
> speed with which these institutions are planning this are so slow that I feel 
> I cant wait any longer. Those of you who have worked in the Kenyan government 
> or for the Kenyan government definitely understand my concerns regarding the 
> periods that they would take to decide on such a simple thing on what to do - 
> probably call an AGM of the stakeholders. 
> 
> In most of the cases, these guys do not understand the online stuff or even 
> how the internet works let alone Wikipedia (which is our work anyway). At the 
> end they will come to appreciate that it is a good thing - which it is always 
> is.There was a time when we visited the Kenya Railways museum and the curator 
> there was always confusing their institutional website with Wikipedia. He 
> thought Wikipedians job is to improve organizational websites! we clarified 
> and made it clear about this and on the next meeting he was at it again!
> 
> On our meeting with another directorate of the National Museums of Kenya, he 
> asked whether he could find Wikipedia on Google search. the exact 
> conversation was as below.
> 
> Alex: Hello, My name is Alex and am here with my colleague Steve and we work 
> at Wikipedia. Wikipedia is ...blah blah blah
> Museum directorate: Do you mean if I search Wikipedia  on Google I will find 
> it? (Was just hilarious:)
> 
> Personally, I have not spoken to Kenya Archives about GLAM (though Abbas 
> did). But I think we should just go ahead and organize editathons at this 
> premises and this is why. 
> 
> On Sunday 17th 2012 I was to meet with a friend in town who was running late 
> and so I decided to part with 50 Kenyan shillings ($0.5) and enter the 
> premise (Kenya National Archives) just to see what it holds. Plus I did not 
> want to stand along the streets or sit on the benches due to the frequent IED 
> attacks in Nairobi. It is rich in artifacts and even books about history of 
> Kenya, royal visits to Kenya, Kenyatta's famous chair and to crown it all 
> they have a library with articles about all these treasures. The receptionist 
> in fact encouraged me to take photos with a camera even before I asked for 
> permission. She even encouraged me to become a member of their library and I 
> only needed to part with 200 KES for a year as subscription to access the 
> material plus the artifacts of course.
> 
> My question is, can't we pay for this subscription and start using the 
> library to write articles about Kenya now that they have offline references 
> there? Probably on Weekends or even weekdays depending on the time one is 
> free. I think the chapter can cushion the subscriptions if that would hinder 
> any Wikipedian from accessing the facility. The internet shall defi

Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM projects

[Abbas Mahmood]

Steve,
No, I will not divulge any more details. It is quite unprofessional for 
partnerships, that haven't been finalized yet, to be publicly announced. This 
is a public list, and I will not do that here. Ever wondered why the GLAM 
mailing list is a closed, subscription-only mailing list: 
http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Contact ? Because most of the 
discussions that go on there are usually confidential. That is why Kul Wadhwa 
and the rest of the WMF Mobile Team don't give out details about the 
partnerships they _are about_ to make, until official announcements are made. 
SincerelyAbbas Mahmood.

From: stevewan...@wikimedia.or.ke
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 13:47:32 +0300
To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM   projects

Hello,

My reply is in line.



Being on the board doesn't denote that whichever
communications commencing from me is the position or stance of the chapter
whatsoever, unless otherwise unambiguously stated in the start section of my
E-mail. Clear?







My dear Steve,
Waswahili wasema subira huvuta heri.
Yeah I concur but the same Waswahili said, Ngoja ngoja huumiza matumbo :) and 
how comes nowadays they don't 'sema' :)





I am going to speak about the Kenya National Archives, because it's the 
partnership that I'm focused on. Yes, we have been moving at a sluggish rate. 
Sometimes it's my fault, sometimes it's theirs. But, IMO, most partnerships 
don't take overnight to seal. They take months, or even years. And that has 
nothing to do with Kenya or the government. It's the business norm. The British 
Museum -- the first cultural institution to host a Residency program -- took 
months to accept it. The Museum of Islamic Art in Qatar is still in talks with 
Wikimedia -- these talks started (I think) 10 months ago. This agreement is not 
just a piece of paper saying that we will edit Wikipedia and take photos. It 
involves Museum personnel/staff -- meaning that they'll agree to devote their 
time to contribute to Wikipedia. So all in all, it involves the Museum agreeing 
to dedicate (some of) its resources to us -- whether its time or money. It also 
has a binding agreement, explicitly stating that they have to stick to the 
terms and conditions of the partnership. (e.g. what will you do if a senior 
staff member forbids you to take photos of their gallery?)






Hey! You got me wide off the mark from my Email. Am not saying
we storm the museum and shockingly start having our own secluded tours or edit
camps devoid of their accord.I cannot take staff members and the management and 
offer
them a dose Wikimedicine minus the thought of the influence to their jobs and
the welfare of the KNA. I personally cannot do that and I cannot tolerate such
kind of behaviour.There are undeniably some levels of access to the
facility. I saw an opportunity to use their library as a source for references
since it is open to public in exchange of a very small fee of $2.50 per year 
per head. This way we would
even have a metric from this unofficial pilot of the kind and quantity of work 
and input that we expect at
such a time when the partnership deal ripens. Personally I do not edit 
exclusively edit local
articles for the reason that most of this info is still offline. At times you
cannot take care of all the ‘ifs’ in advance even before the journey starts  – 
we will cross the bridge when we get there. It is now five months and counting 
- just a caveat and probably a wake up call.



If you want to go ahead and carry out this project unofficially, then go ahead. 
I just hope that you (and everyone else who is in an official capacity to 
represent Wikimedia Kenya) knows that if we want to form partnerships, these 
things will take time. And there may be a shortcut this time round (which has 
its limitations), there may not be a shortcut next time.



 

There are without doubt no shortcuts not unless we execute
an Italian job and take the material with us home and digitize bila presha na 
hustle.Does existence in the board mean that all I do or Email for
that matter is the opinion of the chapter or a representation of the chapter’s 
deportment? (Asking for a friend.)This was my personal opinion and it is in no 
way tagged to the other officials of the Wikimedia Kenya chapter.  FYI, there 
are winning shortcuts like: Shift+alt+S which saves the changes in a Wiki edit 
interface.







You talked about calling an AGM with the stakeholders. What stakeholders 
specifically? You also talked about most government institutions being ignorant 
about Wikipedia. While this statement may be true, I assure you that after more 
than 5 meetings with the Kenya National Archives Management team, they at least 
know the basics :-)


 

I was reporting of what materialized at our meeting while on
quest for the list of monuments. I still wonder how the hell someone would ask

Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM projects

[Limoke Oscar]

Steve,

Not to be mean nor evil, by I hate lengthy emails I actually meant yea
If we could keep the emails shorter and on point, we could make more
meaningful communication. Lots of people here have dozens of other
engagements that involve email exchange and replyng to the same thread
in multiple ways is spam and non-communicative.

Yes I am on internal but we cannot compare the kind of politics  that
happens there to our community discussion list. And no one questioned
your contribution to Wikimedia and recognition for the same.
Wikipedias hardly show- off their achievements, rather 

Anyone who hates this lengthy emails as I do? I mean they dont
communicate as I end up never reading them but just scan them

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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM projects

[Stephen Wanjau]

Hello,

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 8:45 AM, David Mugo  wrote:

> @Oscar,
>
> I like your attitude. We would not exist as a group if everyone knew what
> they needed to know. Wikipedia is about sharing information/knowledge and
> the more channels we use the better. We are the human Wiki in this case,
> let them know.
>

Phrase of the day "Human Wiki" learning never stops and I just learnt we
can be human wikis..See?

>
> David.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Limoke Oscar  wrote:
>
>> And I hate lengthy emails  like this ones here :-)
>>
>> Good points folks though, I hope we all agree to that.
>>
>> Steve rem you too dint know anything about Wikipedia and mailing lists
>> before I recruited you :-), and so many of us. And I guess thats why
>> we exist as WMKE 
>>
>> Cheers,
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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM projects

[Stephen Wanjau]

Hello!

My reply follows your email.

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Limoke Oscar  wrote:

> And I hate lengthy emails  like this ones here :-)
>

Wikipedians like to write. BTW, Are on the internal mailing list? (Asking
for a friend again)

>
> Good points folks though, I hope we all agree to that.
>
> Steve rem you too dint know anything about Wikipedia and mailing lists
> before I recruited you :-), and so many of us. And I guess thats why
> we exist as WMKE 
>

Probably I have been an evil student in reporting about my advancements but
be rest assured I have been performing great as you can see progress here.


I have also bagged several recognition awards from other Wikimedia users as
seen here .
Am also part of the Wikification team that works to clear the back log of
articles that need to be wikified.

Plus so much more, I just want to keep this email short.

//Stephen

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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM projects

[Stephen Wanjau]

Hello,

My reply is in line.

Being on the board doesn't denote that whichever communications commencing
from me is the position or stance of the chapter whatsoever, unless
otherwise unambiguously stated in the start section of my E-mail. Clear?

 My dear Steve,
>
> Waswahili wasema subira huvuta heri.
>

Yeah I concur but the same Waswahili said, Ngoja ngoja huumiza matumbo :)
and how comes nowadays they don't 'sema' :)

>
> I am going to speak about the Kenya National Archives, because it's the
> partnership that I'm focused on. Yes, we have been moving at a sluggish
> rate. Sometimes it's my fault, sometimes it's theirs. But, IMO, most
> partnerships don't take overnight to seal. They take months, or even years.
> And that has nothing to do with Kenya or the government. It's the business
> norm. The British Museum -- the first cultural institution to host a
> Residency program -- took months to accept it. The Museum of Islamic Art in
> Qatar is still in talks with Wikimedia -- these talks started (I think) 10
> months ago. This agreement is not just a piece of paper saying that we will
> edit Wikipedia and take photos. It involves Museum personnel/staff --
> meaning that they'll agree to devote their time to contribute to Wikipedia.
> So all in all, it involves the Museum agreeing to dedicate (some of) its
> resources to us -- whether its time or money. It also has a binding
> agreement, explicitly stating that they have to stick to the terms and
> conditions of the partnership. (e.g. what will you do if a senior staff
> member forbids you to take photos of their gallery?)
>

Hey! You got me wide off the mark from my Email. Am not saying we storm the
museum and shockingly start having our own secluded tours or edit camps
devoid of their accord.I cannot take staff members and the management and
offer them a dose Wikimedicine minus the thought of the influence to their
jobs and the welfare of the KNA. I personally cannot do that and I cannot
tolerate such kind of behaviour.

There are undeniably some levels of access to the facility. I saw an
opportunity to use their library as a source for references since it is
open to public in exchange of a very small fee of $2.50 per year per head.
This way we would even have a metric from this unofficial pilot of the kind
and quantity of work and input that we expect at such a time when the
partnership deal ripens. Personally I do not edit exclusively edit local
articles for the reason that most of this info is still offline. At times
you cannot take care of all the ‘ifs’ in advance even before the journey
starts  – we will cross the bridge when we get there. It is now five months
and counting - just a caveat and probably a wake up call.

>
> If you want to go ahead and carry out this project unofficially, then go
> ahead. I just hope that you (and everyone else who is in an official
> capacity to represent Wikimedia Kenya) knows that if we want to form
> partnerships, these things will take time. And there may be a shortcut this
> time round (which has its limitations), there may not be a shortcut next
> time.
>


There are without doubt no shortcuts not unless we execute an Italian job
and take the material with us home and digitize bila presha na hustle.Does
existence in the board mean that all I do or Email for that matter is the
opinion of the chapter or a representation of the chapter’s deportment?
(Asking for a friend.)

This was my personal opinion and it is in no way tagged to the other
officials of the Wikimedia Kenya chapter.  FYI, there are winning shortcuts
like: Shift+alt+S which saves the changes in a Wiki edit interface.


You talked about calling an AGM with the stakeholders. What stakeholders
> specifically? You also talked about most government institutions being
> ignorant about Wikipedia. While this statement may be true, I assure you
> that after more than 5 meetings with the Kenya National Archives Management
> team, they at least know the basics :-)
>


I was reporting of what materialized at our meeting while on quest for the
list of monuments. I still wonder how the hell someone would ask if
Wikipedia is on Google yet his office door label is a term far-fetched from
the corporate IT lingo.


At the railways meseum, we were informed that there was suppossed to be a
meeting from the head of KR to the toe as they discuss the partnership deal
with us. Those are the kind of stakeholders I was talking about.

>
> You also talked about carrying out editathons and taking photos at the
> Murumbi Gallery (the gallery found at the entrance of the Archives). Do you
> know that this gallery is barely 1% of what the Kenya National Archives
> has? Yes, 1%. The Kenya National Archives is not a place which is supposed
> to host artifacts per se, but most importantly, it houses millions of
> records, transcripts, maps, agreements, videos, audio files related to
> Kenyan history. These records -- not the gallery -- are the essence of the
> Archives. It is the

Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM projects

[Andrew maina]

The National Archives idea is fantastic. When I created the Bernard Mate page 
on wikipedia, I stumbled on some links explicitly referring to sources at the 
Kenya National Archives.. Always suspected since then that the place could be 
of massive use for digging up information on important historical events, 
people and places that predate the internet.
--
 On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 8:20 AM MSKS Stephen Wanjau wrote:
 
 >Hello Folks!
 >
 >I have been physically following up on the subject of this email (together
 >with Abbas and Alex) for sometime now and it seems the logistics and the
 >speed with which these institutions are planning this are so slow that I
 >feel I cant wait any longer. Those of you who have worked in the Kenyan
 >government or for the Kenyan government definitely understand my concerns
 >regarding the periods that they would take to decide on such a simple thing
 >on what to do - probably call an AGM of the stakeholders.
 >
 >In most of the cases, these guys do not understand the online stuff or even
 >how the internet works let alone Wikipedia (which is our work anyway). At
 >the end they will come to appreciate that it is a good thing - which it is
 >always is.There was a time when we visited the Kenya Railways museum and
 >the curator there was always confusing their institutional website with
 >Wikipedia. He thought Wikipedians job is to improve organizational
 >websites! we clarified and made it clear about this and on the next meeting
 >he was at it again!
 >
 >On our meeting with another directorate of the National Museums of Kenya,
 >he asked whether he could find Wikipedia on Google search. the exact
 >conversation was as below.
 >
 >*Alex*: Hello, My name is Alex and am here with my colleague Steve and we
 >> work at Wikipedia. Wikipedia is ...blah blah blah
 >>
 >> *Museum directorate*: Do you mean if I search Wikipedia on Google I will
 >> find it? (Was just hilarious:)
 >>
 >>
 >Personally, I have not spoken to Kenya Archives about GLAM (though Abbas
 >did). But I think we should just go ahead and organize editathons at this
 >premises and this is why.
 >
 >On Sunday 17th 2012 I was to meet with a friend in town who was running
 >late and so I decided to part with 50 Kenyan shillings ($0.5) and enter the
 >premise (Kenya National Archives) just to see what it holds. Plus I did not
 >want to stand along the streets or sit on the benches due to the frequent
 >IED attacks in Nairobi. It is rich in artifacts and even books about
 >history of Kenya, royal visits to Kenya, Kenyatta's famous chair and to
 >crown it all they have a library with articles about all these treasures.
 >The receptionist in fact encouraged me to take photos with a camera even
 >before I asked for permission. She even encouraged me to become a member of
 >their library and I only needed to part with 200 KES for a year as
 >subscription to access the material plus the artifacts of course.
 >
 >My question is, can't we pay for this subscription and start using the
 >library to write articles about Kenya now that they have offline references
 >there? Probably on Weekends or even weekdays depending on the time one is
 >free. I think the chapter can cushion the subscriptions if that would
 >hinder any Wikipedian from accessing the facility. The internet shall
 >definitely be provided.
 >
 >Kenya is still dark and still in the dark continent. Can't we illuminate it
 >with some light..?
 >
 >My thoughts.
 >
 >//Stephen
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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM projects

[David Mugo]

@Oscar,

I like your attitude. We would not exist as a group if everyone knew what
they needed to know. Wikipedia is about sharing information/knowledge and
the more channels we use the better. We are the human Wiki in this case,
let them know.

David.

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Limoke Oscar  wrote:

> And I hate lengthy emails  like this ones here :-)
>
> Good points folks though, I hope we all agree to that.
>
> Steve rem you too dint know anything about Wikipedia and mailing lists
> before I recruited you :-), and so many of us. And I guess thats why
> we exist as WMKE 
>
> Cheers,
>
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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM projects

[Limoke Oscar]

And I hate lengthy emails  like this ones here :-)

Good points folks though, I hope we all agree to that.

Steve rem you too dint know anything about Wikipedia and mailing lists
before I recruited you :-), and so many of us. And I guess thats why
we exist as WMKE 

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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM projects

[Abbas Mahmood]

My dear Steve,
Waswahili wasema subira huvuta heri.
I am going to speak about the Kenya National Archives, because it's the 
partnership that I'm focused on. Yes, we have been moving at a sluggish rate. 
Sometimes it's my fault, sometimes it's theirs. But, IMO, most partnerships 
don't take overnight to seal. They take months, or even years. And that has 
nothing to do with Kenya or the government. It's the business norm. The British 
Museum -- the first cultural institution to host a Residency program -- took 
months to accept it. The Museum of Islamic Art in Qatar is still in talks with 
Wikimedia -- these talks started (I think) 10 months ago. This agreement is not 
just a piece of paper saying that we will edit Wikipedia and take photos. It 
involves Museum personnel/staff -- meaning that they'll agree to devote their 
time to contribute to Wikipedia. So all in all, it involves the Museum agreeing 
to dedicate (some of) its resources to us -- whether its time or money. It also 
has a binding agreement, explicitly stating that they have to stick to the 
terms and conditions of the partnership. (e.g. what will you do if a senior 
staff member forbids you to take photos of their gallery?)
If you want to go ahead and carry out this project unofficially, then go ahead. 
I just hope that you (and everyone else who is in an official capacity to 
represent Wikimedia Kenya) knows that if we want to form partnerships, these 
things will take time. And there may be a shortcut this time round (which has 
its limitations), there may not be a shortcut next time.
You talked about calling an AGM with the stakeholders. What stakeholders 
specifically? You also talked about most government institutions being ignorant 
about Wikipedia. While this statement may be true, I assure you that after more 
than 5 meetings with the Kenya National Archives Management team, they at least 
know the basics :-)
You also talked about carrying out editathons and taking photos at the Murumbi 
Gallery (the gallery found at the entrance of the Archives). Do you know that 
this gallery is barely 1% of what the Kenya National Archives has? Yes, 1%. The 
Kenya National Archives is not a place which is supposed to host artifacts per 
se, but most importantly, it houses millions of records, transcripts, maps, 
agreements, videos, audio files related to Kenyan history. These records -- not 
the gallery -- are the essence of the Archives. It is these records, about Mau 
Mau, about East African Railways, about Tom Mboya -- that can be found nowhere 
else, that they have. 
So, if this deal really happens, the bulk of the work will be to digitize/scan 
these records and upload them to Wikisource. Although I think that we should 
also do what you said with the Murumbi Gallery, the bulk of the work still is 
the mass upload as well as putting up the descriptions (metadata) of each 
upload.
I am not supposed to talk about this, since it's still not yet official. But 
many of you probably didn't know what will really be happening, if this 
partnership actually takes place with the Archives.
Thanks,Abbas.

From: stevewan...@wikimedia.or.ke
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 07:20:10 +0300
To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM projects

Hello Folks!

I have been physically following up on the subject of this email (together with 
Abbas and Alex) for sometime now and it seems the logistics and the speed with 
which these institutions are planning this are so slow that I feel I cant wait 
any longer. Those of you who have worked in the Kenyan government or for the 
Kenyan government definitely understand my concerns regarding the periods that 
they would take to decide on such a simple thing on what to do - probably call 
an AGM of the stakeholders. 



In most of the cases, these guys do not understand the online stuff or even how 
the internet works let alone Wikipedia (which is our work anyway). At the end 
they will come to appreciate that it is a good thing - which it is always 
is.There was a time when we visited the Kenya Railways museum and the curator 
there was always confusing their institutional website with Wikipedia. He 
thought Wikipedians job is to improve organizational websites! we clarified and 
made it clear about this and on the next meeting he was at it again!



On our meeting with another directorate of the National Museums of Kenya, he 
asked whether he could find Wikipedia on Google search. the exact conversation 
was as below.



Alex: Hello, My name is Alex and am here with my colleague Steve and we work at 
Wikipedia. Wikipedia is ...blah blah blah




Museum directorate: Do you mean if I search Wikipedia  on Google I will find 
it? (Was just hilarious:)

Personally, I have not spoken to Kenya Archives about GLAM (though Abbas did). 
But I think we should just go ahead and organize editathons at this premises 
and this is why.

[Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM projects

[Stephen Wanjau]

Hello Folks!

I have been physically following up on the subject of this email (together
with Abbas and Alex) for sometime now and it seems the logistics and the
speed with which these institutions are planning this are so slow that I
feel I cant wait any longer. Those of you who have worked in the Kenyan
government or for the Kenyan government definitely understand my concerns
regarding the periods that they would take to decide on such a simple thing
on what to do - probably call an AGM of the stakeholders.

In most of the cases, these guys do not understand the online stuff or even
how the internet works let alone Wikipedia (which is our work anyway). At
the end they will come to appreciate that it is a good thing - which it is
always is.There was a time when we visited the Kenya Railways museum and
the curator there was always confusing their institutional website with
Wikipedia. He thought Wikipedians job is to improve organizational
websites! we clarified and made it clear about this and on the next meeting
he was at it again!

On our meeting with another directorate of the National Museums of Kenya,
he asked whether he could find Wikipedia on Google search. the exact
conversation was as below.

*Alex*: Hello, My name is Alex and am here with my colleague Steve and we
>> work at Wikipedia. Wikipedia is ...blah blah blah
>>
> *Museum directorate*: Do you mean if I search Wikipedia  on Google I will
>> find it? (Was just hilarious:)
>>
>
Personally, I have not spoken to Kenya Archives about GLAM (though Abbas
did). But I think we should just go ahead and organize editathons at this
premises and this is why.

On Sunday 17th 2012 I was to meet with a friend in town who was running
late and so I decided to part with 50 Kenyan shillings ($0.5) and enter the
premise (Kenya National Archives) just to see what it holds. Plus I did not
want to stand along the streets or sit on the benches due to the frequent
IED attacks in Nairobi. It is rich in artifacts and even books about
history of Kenya, royal visits to Kenya, Kenyatta's famous chair and to
crown it all they have a library with articles about all these treasures.
The receptionist in fact encouraged me to take photos with a camera even
before I asked for permission. She even encouraged me to become a member of
their library and I only needed to part with 200 KES for a year as
subscription to access the material plus the artifacts of course.

My question is, can't we pay for this subscription and start using the
library to write articles about Kenya now that they have offline references
there? Probably on Weekends or even weekdays depending on the time one is
free. I think the chapter can cushion the subscriptions if that would
hinder any Wikipedian from accessing the facility. The internet shall
definitely be provided.

Kenya is still dark and still in the dark continent. Can't we illuminate it
with some light..?

My thoughts.

//Stephen
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