Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership Fee Cut

2010-02-25 Thread Jarry 1250
I know I would certainly have appreciated some form of written communication through the post on becoming a member, just, y'know, to reassure me you guys knew I existed. Even a welcome letter with a nice letterhead and a little card wouldn't go amiss. While you're there, you could preach to your

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership Fee Cut

2010-02-25 Thread Steve Virgin
...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 12:51 PM To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership Fee Cut On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 3:52 PM, James Hardy wikimedi...@weeb.biz wrote: I can not really imagine any tangible benefits that WMUK can provide. After all

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership Fee Cut

2010-02-24 Thread James Farrar
The AGM sets the fee but, in my experience of other organisations, I'd expect it to be a rubber-stamping of a Board recommendation unless the Board went rogue. On 24 February 2010 09:00, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: Membership fees are a matter that concerns the Members. The

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership Fee Cut

2010-02-24 Thread James Hardy
I have just paid the fee and applied to become a member this week. The reason I have not joined previously is not the cost, but that finding my cheque-book and buying a stamp would have been way way to much hassle for someone as disorganised as me. I only signed up after discovering through this

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership Fee Cut

2010-02-22 Thread Brian McNeil
On Fri, 2010-02-19 at 00:41 +, River Tarnell wrote: Brian McNeil: And this is an argument for what, exactly? No argument; I'm merely pointing out that a direct comparison between WM-UK and the NT might be misleading, since their fundraising methods and goals are quite different. There

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership Fee Cut

2010-02-19 Thread Ian A. Holton
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:10 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 February 2010 02:01, Tom Holden tom.hol...@economics.ox.ac.uk wrote: It seems there are quite a few people with quite serious concerns about the low rate. I confess this is not something I envisaged when proposing

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership Fee Cut

2010-02-19 Thread Bod Notbod
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: * Demographics. Who are we targeting with reduced memberships? Is there a definable group of people who can't pay the higher fee, and if so, is it not being served by the existing two-tier group? That would be key

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership Fee Cut

2010-02-18 Thread River Tarnell
Thomas Dalton: The idea is that members join to support us with their time, their ideas, their moral support, etc. People that want to support us financially do so by donating. I don't really follow this. You want to charge people to let them support you with their time? Why can't they

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership Fee Cut

2010-02-18 Thread River Tarnell
WereSpielChequers: However I have gone through your form, and got as far as realising that unusually for a wikimedia project you want to know my real life identity. Now I understand that I'd have to disclose that if I wanted to be a check user, Arb or boardmember but I don't see why I should

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership Fee Cut

2010-02-18 Thread Tom Holden
@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership Fee Cut Thomas Dalton: The idea is that members join to support us with their time, their ideas, their moral support, etc. People that want to support us financially do so by donating. I don't really follow this. You want to charge people to let

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership Fee Cut

2010-02-18 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 18 February 2010 14:28, River Tarnell ri...@loreley.flyingparchment.org.uk wrote: Thomas Dalton: The idea is that members join to support us with their time, their ideas, their moral support, etc. People that want to support us financially do so by donating. I don't really follow this.  

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership Fee Cut

2010-02-18 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 18 February 2010 11:32, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Thomas Dalton wrote: On 17 February 2010 22:15, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: The logic of soliciting donations is always that if there is more money, more can be done. Money doesn't

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership Fee Cut

2010-02-18 Thread Andrew Gray
On 18 February 2010 15:35, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry if you interpreted my question as being rude. I simply wanted to know what your point was, since you hadn't made it. You had just made some general comments that did not have an obvious conclusion. It was in

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership Fee Cut

2010-02-18 Thread River Tarnell
Brian McNeil: Look at National Trust membership fees: http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/main/w-trust/w-support/w-jointoday/w-jointoday-categories_costs.htm In my opinion, a little steep - but I believe they've secured a rather nice members benefits package. But the NT, as far as I know, do

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership Fee Cut

2010-02-18 Thread River Tarnell
Brian McNeil: And this is an argument for what, exactly? No argument; I'm merely pointing out that a direct comparison between WM-UK and the NT might be misleading, since their fundraising methods and goals are quite different. You trimmed all the positive points I made to denigrate the

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership Fee Cut

2010-02-18 Thread Andrew Gray
On 18 February 2010 16:16, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: monetary - and I don't think it's that unusual a group. Tom says we're planning to email donors asking if they'd become a member at a reduced rate - do we know they wouldn't have become a member at the current rate if

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership Fee Cut

2010-02-18 Thread Tom Holden
-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Gray Sent: 19 February 2010 1:47 AM To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership Fee Cut On 18 February 2010 16:16, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership Fee Cut

2010-02-17 Thread Charles Matthews
Tom Holden wrote: Hi all, We are considering cutting the membership fee to £5 flat. (It is currently £12 waged, £6 unwaged.) We would like to expand membership before the AGM and we feel cutting the membership fee will help with this. It will also simplify our administration.

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership Fee Cut

2010-02-17 Thread Tom Holden
-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Charles Matthews Sent: 17 February 2010 3:59 PM To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership Fee Cut So, what signal does this send? For me, nothing very positive about

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership Fee Cut

2010-02-17 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 17 February 2010 15:59, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: So, what signal does this send? For me, nothing very positive about the organisation. Setting a price below a typical cinema ticket isn't really a claim on anyone's respect. The idea is that members join to

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership Fee Cut

2010-02-17 Thread Charles Matthews
Thomas Dalton wrote: On 17 February 2010 15:59, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: So, what signal does this send? For me, nothing very positive about the organisation. Setting a price below a typical cinema ticket isn't really a claim on anyone's respect. The

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership Fee Cut

2010-02-17 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 17 February 2010 22:15, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: The logic of soliciting donations is always that if there is more money, more can be done. Money doesn't make the world of the WMF go round, but in the real world money tends to be given to those who show they

[Wikimediauk-l] Membership Fee Cut

2010-02-16 Thread Tom Holden
Hi all, We are considering cutting the membership fee to £5 flat. (It is currently £12 waged, £6 unwaged.) We would like to expand membership before the AGM and we feel cutting the membership fee will help with this. It will also simplify our administration. We are planning to email everyone

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership Fee Cut

2010-02-16 Thread Bod Notbod
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Tom Holden tom.hol...@economics.ox.ac.uk wrote: Does anyone object to this? We appreciate that some of you will have recently paid membership fees at the full rate, but if we are to make such a cut it is inevitable that some people will have paid the full rate

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership Fee Cut

2010-02-16 Thread Tom Holden
-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Bod Notbod Sent: 16 February 2010 11:35 PM To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership Fee Cut On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Tom Holden tom.hol...@economics.ox.ac.uk wrote: Does anyone object to this? We appreciate

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership Fee Cut

2010-02-16 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 17 February 2010 00:23, Tom Holden tom.hol...@economics.ox.ac.uk wrote: We did not discuss PayPal in the meeting actually. The PayPal fee on £5 is 27p at the lower fee rate, though I expect we'll shortly be moved back up to the higher rate at which it's 37p. I don't think there's any