[Wikimediauk-l] Have you applied for membership yet?

2009-03-26 Thread Michael Peel
Hi all,

This is your one and only reminder that, if you want to nominate  
yourself or other people for the next Board, you need to get your  
membership application to me asap. The next board meeting is on the  
30th March - next Monday - so you should make sure that your  
application gets to me before then. If you leave it any later then it  
is unlikely that we'll be able to process it in time for you to  
submit nominations by the 5th April.

Information on membership, and the application form, is available at  
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Membership . Please let me know if you  
have any questions, but note that I'll be offline from Friday evening  
until sunday evening.

Mike Peel
Wikimedia UK

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Teaching how to use Wikipedia to be compulsory in primary schools

2009-03-26 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/3/26 Gordon Joly :
> At 16:17 + 25/3/09, Thomas Dalton wrote:
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7962912.stm
>>
>>"The Guardian said the draft review requires primary school children
>>to be familiar with blogging, podcasts, Wikipedia and Twitter as
>>sources of information and forms of communication."
>>
>>It looks like there may be a little more demand for my proposal for
>>WMUK to go into schools...
>
>
> As I recall, "projects in schools" was always part of Wikimedia UK
> (1.0 and 2.0) thinking
>
> The announcement is rather odd. Bit like saying "children should
> watch more television" in the 1950s and 1960s. Twitter, WIkimedia,
> Bebo, Facebook, MySpace are (social) media: is the suggestion that
> they start media studies in school from the first day? Or is the
> suggestion that 5 year olds become Wikipedia editors?

Wikipedia isn't social, it's academic. Learning how to use various
academic media seems like a good thing to do in school. (We're talking
about reading Wikipedia rather than contributing to it, I think -
although if we do go into schools I'd like to talk briefly about
editing too.)

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid update

2009-03-26 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/3/26 Gordon Joly :
> At 15:52 + 23/3/09, Thomas Dalton wrote:
>>2009/3/23 Gordon Joly :
>>>  It is important for a local authority or a registered charity to
>>>be prudent
>>
>>The regulators said there was nothing wrong with the Icelandic banks -
>>I think going with what the regulators say is sufficient to satisfy
>>the duty of care. Anyway, this is massively off-topic!
>
> Yes, massively off topic
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7963986.stm
>
> "Seven English councils have been accused of "negligence" for putting
> money into Icelandic banks days before they went bust last October."

Indeed - putting money in after the credit ratings were reduced was
rather foolish, I hadn't realised they had done that!

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Teaching how to use Wikipedia to be compulsory in primary schools

2009-03-26 Thread David Gerard
2009/3/25 Thomas Dalton :

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7962912.stm
> "The Guardian said the draft review requires primary school children
> to be familiar with blogging, podcasts, Wikipedia and Twitter as
> sources of information and forms of communication."
> It looks like there may be a little more demand for my proposal for
> WMUK to go into schools...


Now on the Slashdot firehose:
http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&id=3905743 Hey, I voted for it
...


- d.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Teaching how to use Wikipedia to be compulsory in primary schools

2009-03-26 Thread Sam Korn
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Gordon Joly  wrote:
> The announcement is rather odd. Bit like saying "children should
> watch more television" in the 1950s and 1960s. Twitter, WIkimedia,
> Bebo, Facebook, MySpace are (social) media: is the suggestion that
> they start media studies in school from the first day? Or is the
> suggestion that 5 year olds become Wikipedia editors?

Which God forbid...

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Teaching how to use Wikipedia to be compulsory in primary schools

2009-03-26 Thread Sean Whitton
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 23:51, David Gerard  wrote:
> 2009/3/25 Sean Whitton :
>
>> That is however off-topic. It would be fantastic to teach people to
>> use Wikipedia properly at a young age. Then we wouldn't have so much
>> misunderstanding when it comes to using it for coursework later on, at
>> GCSE level. So this sounds good.
>
>
> I look forward to twenty thousand word featured articles on minor
> characters from "Charlie & Lola." I'm sure there's a tremendous amount
> the kids can write about Sizzles the dog or Lotte's fur coat.

I'm not talking about editing, as already pointed out - I'm referring
to using Wikipedia properly for research. Amusing illustration though
:)

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Teaching how to use Wikipedia to be compulsory in primary schools

2009-03-26 Thread Gordon Joly
At 23:53 + 25/3/09, David Gerard wrote:
>2009/3/25 Sean Whitton :
>
>>  This is precisely my point. The press are obsessed with it and it is
>>  increasingly used for commercial purposes. But it will be interesting
>>  to see how long it lasts.
>>  Maybe the draft review mentioned it because Number Ten has a Twitter
>>  feed and so they wanted to curry favour!
>
>
>I presume earlier versions proposed teaching the kids about AltaVista
>and GeoCities and the dangers of ARPANET email kiddy fiddlers.
>
>
>- d.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Teaching how to use Wikipedia to be compulsory in primary schools

2009-03-26 Thread Gordon Joly
At 16:17 + 25/3/09, Thomas Dalton wrote:
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7962912.stm
>
>"The Guardian said the draft review requires primary school children
>to be familiar with blogging, podcasts, Wikipedia and Twitter as
>sources of information and forms of communication."
>
>It looks like there may be a little more demand for my proposal for
>WMUK to go into schools...


As I recall, "projects in schools" was always part of Wikimedia UK 
(1.0 and 2.0) thinking

The announcement is rather odd. Bit like saying "children should 
watch more television" in the 1950s and 1960s. Twitter, WIkimedia, 
Bebo, Facebook, MySpace are (social) media: is the suggestion that 
they start media studies in school from the first day? Or is the 
suggestion that 5 year olds become Wikipedia editors?

Gordo


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid update

2009-03-26 Thread Gordon Joly
At 15:52 + 23/3/09, Thomas Dalton wrote:
>2009/3/23 Gordon Joly :
>>  It is important for a local authority or a registered charity to 
>>be prudent
>
>The regulators said there was nothing wrong with the Icelandic banks -
>I think going with what the regulators say is sufficient to satisfy
>the duty of care. Anyway, this is massively off-topic!

Yes, massively off topic

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7963986.stm

"Seven English councils have been accused of "negligence" for putting 
money into Icelandic banks days before they went bust last October."

Gordo

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