[Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedian in Residence 2014 review - update
Hi All, Over the last couple of months I've been working on reviewing the Wikimedian in Residence programme run by Wikimedia UK. Part of which was informed by the Community survey, which some of you would have participated in. I will be promoting the report more widely later in July, but it would be great to hear your early thoughts. Please see the report *here* https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Wikimedian_in_Residence_2014_review. One possible space for comments could be here https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Cultural_partnerships/2014_WIR_community_consultation . I would like to get the report printed for Wikimania - if you have any comments that would require changes of content do let me know by Friday 4th July. Otherwise, any broader comments, or further discussion about the programme itself, would be very welcome. Kind regards, Daria -- Daria Cybulska - Programme Manager, Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 207 065 0994 +44 7803 505 170 -- Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [GLAM] Wikimedian in Residence 2014 review - update
On 1 July 2014 15:03, Daria Cybulska daria.cybul...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I would like to get the report printed for Wikimania - if you have any comments that would require changes of content do let me know by Friday 4th July. The report states: 'As a chapter then we have run the Wikimedian in Residence programme since May 2012, when Andrew Gray started his residency at the British Library.' As pointed out previously, this was not the first residency run by the chapter. The first was at ARKive, in 2011. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
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On 1 July 2014 16:18, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 1 July 2014 15:03, Daria Cybulska daria.cybul...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I would like to get the report printed for Wikimania - if you have any comments that would require changes of content do let me know by Friday 4th July. The report states: 'As a chapter then we have run the Wikimedian in Residence programme since May 2012, when Andrew Gray started his residency at the British Library.' As pointed out previously, this was not the first residency run by the chapter. The first was at ARKive, in 2011. https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/ARKive_project: the position from the outset was called Wikipedia Outreach Ambassador. Some semantics to clarify, perhaps. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
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Thanks for raising this. I have been focusing on a specific group of residencies, however, it would indeed be useful to mention the project in the background information, which I now have done. I would be happy to discuss in more detail, Andy, do feel free to contact me. Kind regards, Daria On 1 July 2014 16:44, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 1 July 2014 16:18, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 1 July 2014 15:03, Daria Cybulska daria.cybul...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I would like to get the report printed for Wikimania - if you have any comments that would require changes of content do let me know by Friday 4th July. The report states: 'As a chapter then we have run the Wikimedian in Residence programme since May 2012, when Andrew Gray started his residency at the British Library.' As pointed out previously, this was not the first residency run by the chapter. The first was at ARKive, in 2011. https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/ARKive_project: the position from the outset was called Wikipedia Outreach Ambassador. Some semantics to clarify, perhaps. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- Daria Cybulska - Programme Manager, Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 207 065 0994 +44 7803 505 170 -- Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [GLAM] Wikimedian in Residence 2014 review - update
On 1 July 2014 16:44, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 1 July 2014 16:18, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: The report states: 'As a chapter then we have run the Wikimedian in Residence programme since May 2012, when Andrew Gray started his residency at the British Library.' As pointed out previously, this was not the first residency run by the chapter. The first was at ARKive, in 2011. https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/ARKive_project: the position from the outset was called Wikipedia Outreach Ambassador. Some semantics to clarify, perhaps. As you can see from that page, it was described as a fixed-period in-residence role. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [GLAM] Wikimedian in Residence 2014 review - update
On 1 July 2014 17:15, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/ARKive_project: the position from the outset was called Wikipedia Outreach Ambassador. Some semantics to clarify, perhaps. As you can see from that page, it was described as a fixed-period in-residence role. Yes, I can see that. I did mean the semantics of programme, in fact. But you have Daria's reply. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
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On 1 July 2014 17:07, Daria Cybulska daria.cybul...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I have been focusing on a specific group of residencies, however, it would indeed be useful to mention the project in the background information, which I now have done. Thank you. The page now reads: We have been involved with projects at the British Museum, and the ARKive. There is a set of residencies which have reported to, and had agreements signed with, Wikimedia UK - we will focus on this group in the report. However, the residency at ARKive (not at the ARKive) also reported to, and had an agreement signed with, WikimediaUK. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
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Andy, I get the point that you're making, but the review is of the projects run through the office. I agree that other projects should be considered, as useful background if nothing else, but quibbling over details of the past isn't going to help the discussion move forward for the benefit of the *future* of these projects. Harry Mitchell http://enwp.org/User:HJ Phone: 024 7698 0977 Skype: harry_j_mitchell On Tuesday, 1 July 2014, 18:38, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 1 July 2014 17:07, Daria Cybulska daria.cybul...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I have been focusing on a specific group of residencies, however, it would indeed be useful to mention the project in the background information, which I now have done. Thank you. The page now reads: We have been involved with projects at the British Museum, and the ARKive. There is a set of residencies which have reported to, and had agreements signed with, Wikimedia UK - we will focus on this group in the report. However, the residency at ARKive (not at the ARKive) also reported to, and had an agreement signed with, WikimediaUK. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
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On 1 July 2014 18:45, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote: I agree that other projects should be considered, as useful background if nothing else Quite. but quibbling over details of the past isn't going to help the discussion move forward for the benefit of the *future* of these projects. I do not believe that reiterating my objection to past good work, by me and others, being written out of the chapter's history is quibbling, much less over details. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
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All of you stop this. Your comments are quibbling unless you have an concrete suggestion for a change to the wording that Daria can use - i.e. new wording that notes these other residences but reflects the fact that they are outside the scope of the report that Daria is writing. Joe On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 1 July 2014 18:45, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote: I agree that other projects should be considered, as useful background if nothing else Quite. but quibbling over details of the past isn't going to help the discussion move forward for the benefit of the *future* of these projects. I do not believe that reiterating my objection to past good work, by me and others, being written out of the chapter's history is quibbling, much less over details. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [GLAM] Wikimedian in Residence 2014 review - update
On 1 July 2014 19:22, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 1 July 2014 18:45, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote: I agree that other projects should be considered, as useful background if nothing else Quite. but quibbling over details of the past isn't going to help the discussion move forward for the benefit of the *future* of these projects. I do not believe that reiterating my objection to past good work, by me and others, being written out of the chapter's history is quibbling, much less over details. Hmm, I recall an earlier thread on this list which was pretty much devoted to contention over how the history of Wikipedians in residence got written. This thread is intended to help a staff member do her job. It would be a shame, certainly, if WiRs became one of those don't bring that up again topics. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
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Andy, please don't be a tit. On 1 Jul 2014 20:39, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 1 July 2014 20:12, Joe Filceolaire filceola...@gmail.com wrote: All of you stop this. I note your instructions, and will act according to their authority. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
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I think this would be more factually accurate: https://wikimedia.org.uk/w/index.php?title=Wikimedian_in_Residence_2014_reviewdiff=58518oldid=58516 As a general comment: please consider including an executive summary along with a review that is this long. It's very difficult to find the key learning points / statistics here. Thanks, Mike On 1 Jul 2014, at 21:49, rexx r...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: See if this helps any: https://wikimedia.org.uk/w/index.php?title=Wikimedian_in_Residence_2014_reviewdiff=58516oldid=58512 -- Rexx On 1 July 2014 20:47, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 1 July 2014 19:22, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 1 July 2014 18:45, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote: I agree that other projects should be considered, as useful background if nothing else Quite. but quibbling over details of the past isn't going to help the discussion move forward for the benefit of the *future* of these projects. I do not believe that reiterating my objection to past good work, by me and others, being written out of the chapter's history is quibbling, much less over details. Hmm, I recall an earlier thread on this list which was pretty much devoted to contention over how the history of Wikipedians in residence got written. This thread is intended to help a staff member do her job. It would be a shame, certainly, if WiRs became one of those don't bring that up again topics. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
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Please don't make personal attacks. :-( Mike On 1 Jul 2014, at 21:55, James Farrar james.far...@gmail.com wrote: Andy, please don't be a tit. On 1 Jul 2014 20:39, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 1 July 2014 20:12, Joe Filceolaire filceola...@gmail.com wrote: All of you stop this. I note your instructions, and will act according to their authority. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
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On 1 July 2014 21:57, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote: I think this would be more factually accurate: https://wikimedia.org.uk/w/index.php?title=Wikimedian_in_Residence_2014_reviewdiff=58518oldid=58516 Maybe. Isn't that the point I asked about on a previous occasion? http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediauk-l/2014-April/012066.html As you said there, Some of the history's never been recorded. So, editing it into a report? You may well think this is more factually accurate, and who knows, you may be right. Does seem to be fighting the battles of a previous war, though, with a source of iffy reliability. Not quite sure who this proxy war is against. Frankly, there are reporting requirements on chapters, and so significant matters should be documented. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
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On 1 Jul 2014, at 22:11, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 1 July 2014 21:57, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote: I think this would be more factually accurate: https://wikimedia.org.uk/w/index.php?title=Wikimedian_in_Residence_2014_reviewdiff=58518oldid=58516 Maybe. Isn't that the point I asked about on a previous occasion? http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediauk-l/2014-April/012066.html As you said there, Some of the history's never been recorded. So, editing it into a report? You may well think this is more factually accurate, and who knows, you may be right. Does seem to be fighting the battles of a previous war, though, with a source of iffy reliability. Not quite sure who this proxy war is against. Frankly, there are reporting requirements on chapters, and so significant matters should be documented. ... and that's a good example of why I now have zero motivation to comment on anything that WMUK does nowadays. I should really have said publicly recorded. I just want to see what actually happened just a few years being properly described. But it feels like a battle to do that - so why should I bother? (Please don't disregard my comment about tl;dr...) Mike ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
